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444:. We should not have soft redirects to Wikia, because Wikia is not a part of the encyclopedia and not one of the Wikimedia Foundation's projects, and because a perception of entanglement between the two entities is potentially legally detrimental to the Foundation. Preferably, we would not even have an interwiki prefix for Wikia, but that's not something RfD can accomplish. 266:
depending on which spelling you prefer). Both closed with a recommendation to delete and maybe redirect. The redirect appears to have been created largely to preempt the repeated recreation of the deleted content. I do consider a protected redirect to be a better solution than a protected redlink.
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Alright, so it was transwikied. I still don't see the logic in having a soft redirect to an outside project. Wikia is a for-profit entity. In principle, we should not be redirecting people away from Knowledge to a non-Wikimedia project. This is not a good precedent to set. I would think that
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Ambiguous redirect. While Pat Green did indeed have a song with this name (a very good song I might add), I think that the Bruce Hornsby song might be more recognizable, even if it wasn't a single. (Note that the Pat Green song probably isn't notable enough for its own page, which was why I
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Sorry, I don't understand the deletion rationale. It seems more like a justification for creating a dab page with the multiple songs (but pointing to the artists instead of the song titles). Pat Green's "Dixie Lullaby" is not only mentioned in the target article, it has also charted on the
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If this is going to be a redirect, it should redirect to a Knowledge article, not wikia. Up until now I'd never seen a redirect outside of the WikiMedia foundation's projects. I'd like a consensus that we don't redirect to non-Wikimedia projects. Wiktionary: fine. Wikia: no.
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the redirect to -phob-. The term is a legitimate if cumbersome piece of medical terminology and is a valid concept for inclusion in wikipedia. The AfDs have decided that we do not need a separate article for the term, so redirect to the generic phobia article.
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article due to size. A redirect to "list of Mall-Wart locations" also won't work, as many of the stores were later closed when Wal-Mart replaced them a little over a decade later with free-standing stores in new locations, leaving nothing but a trail of
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for a short period of time to help transition. Using soft redirects like this isn't uncommon when a page is transwikied. It's useful to help prevent page recreation and helps direct both readers and editors to where the article's new home is. It's a
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Good point. From the fact that it's a redirect to the Naruto Wikia, someone obviously thinks they're related, so I'd support Rossami's idea as well, if the target article included reference to Akimichi. Until then, it's not an appropriate
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This also seems like an end-run around our notability and verifiabilty policies; if the content wasn't notable or verifiable to stay in Knowledge, or any of its sister projects, then it's not notable or verifiable enough for us to redirect
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it would be much more useful than a list of Sonic restaurants. However, I would be inclined to support only a partial list of stores that were actually notable in their own right, either in the world or within the Woolworth company.
754:- the list in the target article was removed was original research (not to mention only a partial one: I know of three that were not in the list). Even if it were sourced, it would be removed as being as useful as a list of 651:
happy. I've used soft redirects like this for a number of articles to help prevent recreation (or in this case, recreation of overly detailed content) on Knowledge. That can be a huge help for some of these articles. --
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to cite Knowledge as the source. We have no obligations towards them. I question any practice which requires redirecting any Wikimedia page to a page on a non-Wikimedia project. It is not our job to "keep them
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without prejudice for recreation using reliable sources. Recreation can be either a stand-alone article or a redirect to Woolco, if the list is small enough to fit there. Given the historical nature of
332:- medical terminology? We've been researching the various "-phobia" words on Wiktionary and have concluded that most of them are nonce words, never used in the English language. This particular word ( 289:
Contrary to nom, "hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia" does indeed appear in the target article (I did the cut'n'paste from the target to this post). Any misspelling is clearly a plausible one (per
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I agree that we should not redirect outside our family of projects. Before we just delete, though, is there a reason not to revert to the version of 13 Jun (which redirected to
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country chart, which puts it a little further up the Knowledge food chain than an uncharted Bruce Hornsby album cut. If such a dab page cannot be fashioned,
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If there were 160 stores in Canada, and this list had just 17 of them, odds are a fully-complete list would not fit in the main
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So I really don't understand why you're advocating that we keep this, even for a short time. Further, even if there
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 11, 2008
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One reason I can think of is that the Akimichi clan is not mentioned anywhere in the article. --
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No need to redirect outside the project. Wikia isn't part of the project. Also, Rossami's idea
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Nonsense redirect. Target page doesn't even mention this "word" (is that even a word?!).
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article as being indiscriminate and unsourced. Therefore, this is a pointless redirect.
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measure that helps both projects. Give it a month, delete it, then everyone's happy. --
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there are better ways of preventing re-creation of articles than something like this.
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This is not a transwikied article. There has never been any "transition". This was
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In this case, however, I think our readers would be better served by a (protected?)
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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album, and a 1919 song written by Harold Dixon (music) and David Portnoy (words).
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also seems to be a notable book by Mark Kemp, a 1970 recording by Leon Russell (
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been an article which was copied to Wikia, the only requirement is on
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Yeah, about 48,000 nationwide, but only one in Michigan. Not fair.
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to the Wiktionary page since this definition already exists
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work if the target mentioned the content of the redirect.
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LP) that was re-recorded by Clint Black for his 2003
639:The previous content that the redirect pointed to 731:The list of locations has been removed from the 8: 643:transwikied. The point here is not to make 554:as nominator, and per my last comment.-- 334:wikt:hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia 7: 833:List of Wal-Mart locations in Canada 187:- Too many plausible other uses. -- 210:Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia 28: 18:Knowledge:Redirects for discussion 229:. Term is discussed at target. -- 258:This page was discussed at AfD ( 703:List of former Woolco locations 756:locations of Sonic restaurants 714:The result of the debate was 400:The result of the debate was 221:The result of the debate was 139:Convert to disambiguation page 69:The result of the debate was 1: 485:World of Naruto#Land of Fire 900: 868:would be more suitable? -- 393:wikia:Naruto:Akimichi clan 878:00:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC) 844:21:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 827:02:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 787:13:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 768:01:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 746:01:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 728:00:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC) 684:11:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC) 657:05:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC) 635:11:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC) 589:07:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC) 572:04:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC) 541:04:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC) 515:19:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 497:17:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 479:13:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 457:13:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 436:05:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 414:23:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC) 376:17:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC) 346:18:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC) 325:02:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC) 307:21:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 285:17:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 253:13:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 239:23:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC) 197:22:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC) 180:05:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC) 151:02:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC) 134:21:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 122:21:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 98:17:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC) 83:08:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC) 864:. 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Index

Knowledge:Redirects for discussion
Log
July 10
July 12
Dixie Lullaby
Pat Green
Tikiwont
talk
08:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Ten Pound Hammer
17:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
147.70.242.40
talk
21:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
21:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Richard Cavell
talk
02:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
B.Wind
talk
05:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Mwalimu59
talk
22:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia
-phob-
-phobia
JLaTondre
talk
23:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

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