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Knowledge will type in WP:BRIT and expect to find "Knowledge:British Isles Terminology task force"? I think the redirect would be more appropriate as directed towards
1037:"British Isles" is the geographical name of an archipelagos - it not a cultural or political term in any technical sense: The Republic of Ireland is part of the archipelagos, but is not British: "Brit" gives the incorrect impression that the taskforce, the term, and even the Republic of Ireland are British entities.
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for deleting it, as you well know tolling IP. Nobody uses this extra shortcut (we have 4 others, and do not offer the use of WP:BRIT!) If people want to see the kind of disruption this intentionally contentious shortcut has caused - just look around. It could have been deleted on the first request as
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Redirects and shortcuts are two different entities. Redirects need only be useful whereas shortcuts need to be useful and reflective of the content of the page it is on (not the exact standard, but I think you get the idea). Removing a shortcut from a page should take place on that page's talk page.
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useful shorcuts). He is then clearly planning to use it to fight the clear consensus not to have it. I am saying all this, as this case, it seems to me, hightlights a intrinsic problem with what seems to be an "avoid deletion" policy here. If this was deleted first time around we wouldn't have this
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IMO, if it's not actually deleted it could always be a problem - now and in at a 'British Isles workshop' planned for the future too - especially if it is used as a shortcut regardless of the taskforce or workgroup accepting it on their pages. These things must have consensus, but this has fallen
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The word "Brit" usually means Briton, ie. someone from the UK. British Isles terminology is a controversial and sensitive subject, and this connotation is unwelcome as it detracts from the collaborative nature of the project. In any case, there are probably far more appropriate pages that WP:BRIT
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If someone needs BRIT in the future they can always re-make it. IMO, this is very unlikely however, as the word
British has always had ambiguities, and all the UK Wikiprojects etc never chose to create a 'BRIT' on its own - it was just created recently by somone for WP:BITASK.--Matt Lewis (talk)
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is far more plausible a search item here. We shouldn't have a redirect simply because a webcomic says we do. The more I wade through these redirects, the more I question the notability of a target outside of the webcomic, Knowledge, and their allies... but that's a different issue.
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through a kind of loophole. It's like someome creating the shortcut 'NOB', and us all having to find the best article for it to point too, only to find someone keeps re-pointing it to your user page. Surely it should be deleted until someone actually wants the shortcut NOB?
1013:"support actual delete here: Knowledge:UK has been tried as a home for it, but this has been reverted. I would recommend deleting it until someone actually requires it (though is this even likely?) I have five distinct reasons to delete it (esp 4 and 5):
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102:- trivial xkcd reference should itself be deleted as well. if fans add a page or redirect, or "in popular culture" item for every xkcd comic we're going to end up with a whole lot of clutter. save it for the xkcd forums.
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This is someone's cute variation on "Ballmer peak", an idea invented in the webcomic xkcd. It's not something that will ever show up as a sincere search term; even if it did, this would send them to the wrong place.
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problem now. He returned the shortcut back to the taskforce completely in tandem with his case to delete it! Having seen this procedure twice before now, he simply knows the result will be 'keep'. --
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862:Matt Lewis
844:DONTLIKEIT
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589:no context
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155:WT:NOVELS
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