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Yes, option 1 is what most often happens, particularly when all the discussions are on the same day but I've seen option 2 done too - it's useful if the discussions are parallel rather than identical. Option 3 occurs least frequently of course, but I think that in this case it's worth definitively
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I prefer the latter, but any of the three is acceptable. I had assumed that choice #1 would be what we defaulted to (and I had considered adding a disclaimer to the other discussions mentioning that the closer ought to consider the merits discussed at the Justin Bieber discussion).
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Absolutely! Would it be wise to go as far as saying "Creating new redirects from foreign languages is strongly discouraged until this discussion reaches consensus. Editors who persist in doing so may be blocked for disruptive editing."?
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proposed above and advertise it as a centralised discussion. Once that discussion is open, I will close all the open discussions about foreign language as "procedurally closed pending the outcome of the <link:
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For all instances of "I will" in the above two paragraphs, these actions can also be completed by someone who is not me - I just can't think of a concise way of saying that!
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