Knowledge:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 10

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I'm wrong; and this either gets kept or deleted, giving four scenarios: (1) there are human uses and the redirect is kept: people find the content they are looking for, they and the encyclopaedia benefit. (2) there are human uses and the redirect is deleted: People are unable to find what they want, despite Knowledge having that content, so Knowledge has failed them and they have to spend more time and effort; Knowledge loses any improvements to the content (or content linked from it) they would have made; the contributor of the redirect is not encouraged to spend more time here. (3) there are no human uses and the redirect is kept: nothing happens, nobody loses. (4) there are no human uses and the redirect is deleted: nobody benefits; the contributor of the redirect is not encouraged to spend more time here. Whether you like the redirect or not, whether you think it is "practical" or not, there is no benefit in deletion.

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hits each month when there is no activity on the redirect. In this case the redirect was created in June, and redirects always get at least a few more hits in the first 2-3 days than is typical in the long term. The redirect was nominated here in the second week of November, and while listings here do generate more hits than normal we counter this by linking to the stats from the previous month. Between July and October we therefore have accurate data for this redirect, and it's consistently getting 8-11 hits, which as noted is greater than can be attributed solely to bots. So the probability is that this is getting human views, and as the redirect is doing no harm this means the evidence is in favour of keeping the redirect.

2877:. At best, it's status as a homograph is a mild curiosity, which may itself generate traffic for the redirect as users unaware of the existence of the visually similar character stumble upon the redirect and wonder how it exists in parallel to the real article. It serves no practical purpose, and the chance that someone would deliberately search for it other than for novelty purposes is approximately zero.-- 1361:. I shall not reply to your series of misleading edits which affect the interpretation of replies in their sequence by disregarding talk page guidelines; especially because I cannot understand why your replies with a host of fresh content related editorial unsettled controversies (unsuitable for RfD) are posted above my reply and out of sequence and probably to confuse the closing editor. Also see 2021:"Today, Roy is the leading manufacturer of programmable logic controls in north India—he writes the software that runs the plastic-moulding models of auto companies." Writing code for PLCs used in a narrow field hardly makes you a leading manufacturer of PLCs. (I'm not entirely clear on the source either - it's headed as The Indian Express but not from their site.) 2345:. It's fairly clear to me that this is a useless redirect that should not have been created. However, neither can I see evidence that it's harmful. And having stuck around for six months before nomination, it's not quite recent enough for me to delete it on those grounds. As far as I can tell, neither the arguments for or against deletion can be gainsaid. -- 1889:

protection" (per your use page) is to my mind even more incredible. You don't say that you have used prior accounts but you are proposing to apply to become a trustee, which is presumably of WMIN following the recent resignation there. I'm sorry but this looks very odd to me. Presumably you will not mind me asking for a checkuser here? -

3359:: "If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name ... Implausible typos or misnomers are potential candidates for speedy deletion, if recently created." Not only is it entirely in line with the guidelines for deleting redirects, but if it were noticed earlier, it would have been a candidate for speedy deletion.-- 1646:(1) "Today, Roy is the leading manufacturer of programmable logic controls in north India—he writes the software that runs the plastic-moulding models of auto companies." Is in the voice of the authors, how is that a claim? (2) If no author is mentioned then as a convention it is the editorial voice of Hindustan Times. 3521:"10 hits a month is basically 0". No it isn't, 3-4 hits per month can be assumed to be bots and spiders (based on experience), but that still leaves around 7 people per month who would be inconvenienced for absolutely no reason what so ever - nobody benefits from deletion whether 5 or 500 people use the redirect. 1293:) got disassociated from the target article movement after an "Internal split" (target redirect) into political and non-political groupings. Your sources show it was Anna Hazare's own "claim" that he founded the target article's movement in October 2010. After Kejriwal later refused to oblige Hazare and Bedi 2808:

My opening statement explicitly referred to the exclamation mark so I'm not sure how anyone would think I was talking about the A. As for whether it was the Unicode that broke the Twinkle script, I have no way of knowing. But it should be self-evident that the failure of the Twinkle script in raising

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If anyone has already replied to or quoted the original comment, consider whether the edit could affect the interpretation of the replies or integrity of the quotes. Use "Show preview" and think about how your edited comment may look to others before you save it. Any corrected wording should fit with

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Deletion proposed. Target article contains no actual discussion of the phrase. Target article does not support statements in the edit history of the redirect suggesting that "Hyper-timid incrementalist bullshit" is a notable quote by Yglesias. Even if it is a notable quote, that makes it suitable for

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It is not possible, with the tools currently available to people other than Foundation staff, to determine whether a hit is from a human or a bot. However, experience of looking at the hits redirects typically get as led to RfD regulars using a rule of thumb that bots are responsible for at most 3-4

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A note has been added above to indicate that this isn't a vote, which is good. Have you read the numeros points that mark out the subject as notable, including one source whose title refers to the subject, which describes him as northern India's leading PLC manufacturer, and tens other RS that refer

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The problem is, those were his own claims and the news sources etc just trotted them out. I expected some of his political supporters etc to turn up here but, really, you at least should know better than this. Can you find a report about the virus itself, from around the time it happened? I've never

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reference certainly does qualify the phrase for a Wikiquote entry. But for Knowledge purposes, I'd say that a blog post doesn't establish notability for this 4-word phrase, not enough notability to merit the redirect. It also seems highly unlikely to be a search term. Other than a talk page, nothing

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individuals. Based on the editing history of the redirect's creator, it seems more likely that editors occasionally stumble upon the redirect while reviewing the creator's past contributions. Some of those editors might then revisit the redirect to try to determine how it's different to the article

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This is getting double-digit numbers of hits each month, based on my experience of years worth of looking at traffic figures for redirects it seems almost certain that this includes human uses (some redirects get less than 5 hits/month), and there is no evidence to the contrary. Either I'm right or

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we were discussing the "exclamation mark" (LATIN LETTER RETROFLEX CLICK),I thought we were on about the A. The Unicode chart says the stop is equivalent to LATIN LETTER EXCLAMATION MARK (1.0) (amongst other things). This cannot be helpful to English readers who use the Latin alphabet: No more than

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problem. To clarify I am applying for the vacant Trusteeship of Wikimedia Foundation which will open next month after some female Trustees are stepping down. What is WMIN ? Is this also some sort of sexual advance and wordplay on "women" ? I'm sure this website has a privacy policy somewhere, and I

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IAC (the organisation) is not IAC (the popular movement). As such, any redirect from the former to the latter is inappropriate. Roy himself is not notable, nor for that matter is the organisation that he claims to lead. Sources that refer to him or to it are pretty much invariably rely on him or it

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I am not sure how "reliable" Huffington post is; I would say like others it is a well-read journal but don't trust its blogs: which is what the article says, in essence. I think it should be noted and I don't think it harmed the target's reputation in any way (the writer is complimentary). I see no

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records was a populist movement, not an organisation. As such, it is not going to be listed as NGO. I'm flabbergasted that someone who has just registered an account manages to find their way to this subject on this page, and your interest in the at least as troubled gender gap issue and in "child

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has been using, sometimes even with the same language. They have been reviewed time and again by a multitude of experienced contributors, with and without good knowledge of India-related matters, and they have consistently been found wanting on policy grounds. The IAC sockfarm are not going to get

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to own the target article's movement. It is Hindustan Time's report, for the common people, that Roy is now running the campaign after Kejriwal. The newspaper has distinguished Roy's claim to own the IAC campaign (after several past claimants like Hazare for it) as on 3 Sept 2013, and noted Hazare

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to tidy up as the section was renamed. I note I cannot edit the R but there is no banner saying it is page-protected (I get "View Source" not "Edit",with twinkle). Wasn't planning to but that seems a bit odd: The target is semi-protected but I see no reason why full-page protection then applies to

1033:(1) There are tens of mentions in reliable sources that disagree with you, that refer to him as a cyber law expert, a leading PLC manufacturer in Northern India, creator of India's first virus... (2) "unknown to common man" what kind criteria is that? (3) Non of them are "his claims" as alleged. 3629:

There is no evidence that they are not distinct individuals. Even if this is only benefiting one or two people, it is not harming anybody and so deletion would not bring any benefits to anybody. Why does something have to benefit lots of people before it is worthwhile - and where do you draw the

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If this was unused I'd agree deletion would be appropriate but we do not delete something as implausible when there is evidence (i.e. it is used) that it is not implausible. It's also worth noting this is not a synonym or a misnomer, so that part of your quote is irrelevant. It's a typographical

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3. India against corruption movement: India against corruption movement or Jan Andolan was a non political, collective and organized people’s movement, which formed to ensure a corruption free India. The movement, initiated by anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare, Sarbajit Roy, Veeresh Malik and

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would seem the obvious target. Not an article, admittedly. If we're having so much discssion about an exclamation mark (and we are), I claim it is genuinely ambiguous. One of them listed at the DAB page has a question mark. But you know how the exclamation mark has become kinda a retro thing in

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I don't fully understand that, but if you are saying that a search for ǃ should find ! (and vice versa) then possibly it does, but (for reasons explained above) it does not do this for linking (internal links from Wikimedia projects) or for URIs (all other links, bookmarks, etc), and we have no

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The campaign to use Knowledge to promote this individual's notability is enthusiastic but misguided. The sources do not warrant an article on the individual, nor do they warrant a redirect to an article about a group that is not related to what this individual has done (that would be some other

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the RfD. But I see no evidence that this R needs protection. Since according to my talk page I have "massively increased chance of joining the exclusive club of people who are being sued, whose livelihoods and family lives are being wrecked, and who are being forced out of their homes by death

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If you believe there's another target readers may be looking for, by all means suggest it. The essay at cryptic says nothing relevant to this case, nor does FORRED. Linking to irrelevant essays is not a rationale for deletion anymore than asserting you like tapioca is a rationale for deletion.

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I don't understand how this is (or indeed can be) ambiguous, and don't see anything in your comments about it (most of it seems to be irrelevant comment about non-Latin "A" characters). FORRED is about redirects from foreign languages, this is not in a foreign language and so doesn't have any

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Whether you think it is helpful for English speakers or not is irrelevant. What matters is that this is used and that it is harmless. My point about IMEs is solely pointing out that this is not impossible to type. Whether a specific IME recognises this character or not is entirely irrelevant.

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applies. The IME point Thryduulf makes I think can be expanded: a thumbpad IME would not, for English readers, I assume recognise this punctuation as an alveolar click any more than it would recognise my greek A against a latin A. It would do the other (I assume) in different cultures such as

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Sorry for the ec. My point about the IME is that on the new fangled mobile devices, an English reader would stroke an "A" or an exclamation mark and expect to get the "obvious" English article. I don't myself, but I am just guessing, when people use Knowledge on mobile devices, that is why I

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well knows. If you were to send the boys round you might likely get him rather than me, which would not be fair on him. I've let them know at the front gate. I do suggest you drop it. His secretary was laughing with me when I said "hello, I'm Simon Trew". I refuse to stop using my real name.

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No, the term is explained and used in the secondary source but not, as it stands, in the article. That can easily be added if we have consensus to do so. It is not a speedy, since we are discussing whether it should be or not. It cannot be an "uncontentious" delete if it has ended up here.

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The article ought to be restored any of its pre-redirect versions further more the OP's claim that the subject is non-notable is not justifiable. The subject has notability independent of his relation to IAC whether as Convenor or notable IAC activist who served a RTI notice on

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a blog post is it (the Huff article), which is secondary source and quotes from the tertiary source. It's not quotable. I'd add as a side note at the article (which is why I added the ref ready to do so if we decide to) but not put it at wikiquotes if it is not often quoted.

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is problematic too. In any case that is not a discussion for this venue, and if editors believe that the subject is independently notable and that a well-sourced and neutral article can be written to establish that, then the proper path to follow would be Draft -:

1620:? There is no author and the source itself is not one I've seen before. Add to that the problem which people claiming to be Roy/his supporters have frequently expressed on Knowledge etc, ie: that Hazare has nothing to do with them and never has, and we've got a 1509:

per Sitush. This discussion is about the redirect and nobility does not factor into it. If an article were created, it would fail GNG. Yogesh Khandke has brought up articles where Roy offers a quote or two, but this does not satisfy GNG, specifically,

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did it, and I think others did too. The thing was created and repeatedly reinstated by various confirmed socks of India Against Corruption and the info that your present above is nothing much different from that which previously has been stripped out. -

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would be another. I don't think we sit on policy guidelines or essays but what makes sense. My claim on this one I think will fail but there's no doubt other editors have presented good reasons for deletion; and another has presented the opposite case.

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in the X-SAMPA based one I use). What matters for this discussion though is that it is getting hits that suggest human use and it is harmless so deletion will bring no benefits while causing harm by unnecessarily inconveniencing people who use it.

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I am sure any such Whois will also show a social privacy organisation I work with and which contains my complete verifiable address and my assertion of privacy protection to defend against stalkers and Arbcom sanctioned abusers of women like you.

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And these two obsessions - user accounts being "anonymous" and mediation requests not being admissible elsewhere - are two of the pet deflectors of IAC socks. The opinions of this IP need to be discarded as they seem to be block evading. -

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Trew, say what you want. You've never got on with me and I've done my best to point out the problem. If you want to be idiotic or a martyr then that is your choice. Perhaps they'll get you, and then there will be no more conflict here. -

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Your second scenario is entirely implausible. The article has gotten along just fine for several years without any need for an obscure redirect. No one—not even its creator—has indicated here that they have personally found the redirect

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The first one that you link to, Yogesh, is just another set of claims from Roy's mouth. The second one is useless: "Here, thus, for a little understanding I’ve listed top 10 topics that should be taught in Indian schools" - who is the

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others, gave birth to a non-affiliated political party – the Aam Aadmi Party. The students in India should be familiar with this significant mass movement in independent India; a reason why it should be taught in schools as a subject.

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My understanding is that mapping ǃ to ! is something that should happen automatically in unicode string comparison. If the wikimedia search doesn't silently do the right thing, then that's a bug in the wikimedia software, right?

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The claim that the redirect is getting 'human hits' seems quite odd, and it is considerably likely that the only such hits it's gotten are by its creator and during investigation of its presence leading up to and during this

937:; that doesn't necessarily influence the subject under debate, Non-Notable with his other activities which have been highlighted by Yogesh Khandke, especially in the Indian Express of October 16, 2005(Pdf format). 2926:: "If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name ... Implausible typos or misnomers are potential candidates for speedy deletion, if recently created." That is precisely the case here.-- 830:

That said, I don't have a problem with removing the redirect, restoring the old version, pruning it of the cruft and then seeing whether it is capable of surviving AfD. The proviso is that we do not link to the

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The subject clearly qualifies GNG guidelines, notable person, creator of India's first computer virus per Live Mint also eminent and pioneering RTI activist per various other RS as quoted in this pre-redirect

2039:, never the less it is an Indian Express article, with date etc. (2) The source doesn't say he is a leading manufacturer because he writes the code. So we should'nt read what it doesn't intend to convey. 1667:, which is the subject of the target article. And as the target article currently does not mention Sarbajit Roy, the redirect is not only unwarranted, but confusing to any reader who is directed there. 633:

The only thing I can see as a possibly inappropriate edit is mine to add the section name, which I badly then wrote "I added the section above"; I didn't add a section to RfD, I added the section name

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An article is a reflection of reliable sources, the "first virus" isn't presented as a claim but as a statement of fact by the RS quoted. IAC isn't the subject's only claim to notability. Though the

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Another thought: if your username here is your real name then I suggest that you withdraw from this discussion. They will quite likely find you and then you are in for a bit of a palaver off-wiki. -

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I don't know about the general case, but MediaWiki deliberately doesn't do conversion of input at all (excluding space/underscore and initial-letter capitalisation) because someone searching for

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insist on my complete privacy and safety here, and oppose any illegal efforts to invade my privacy. If you have a problem with the content on the directory website take it up with them directly.

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If you look at the stats from before this was nominated you can see that it got around 10 hits a month, every month, since its creation. Which is significantly more than the 0 you assume.

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So the evidence of it not being implausible is fake then? The bottom line is that this is used and harmless, so there is no possible benefit to deletion, and so we should not delete it.

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Non-notable individual who is associated with a group calling itself 'India Against Corruption' which is not clearly the same 'India Against Corruption' which we have an article about.

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Non-notable individual who is associated with a group calling itself 'India Against Corruption' which is not clearly the same 'India Against Corruption' which we have an article about.

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The subject has demonstrated notability, independent of his association with IAC, if this discussion is beyond the scope of this forum then this RfD be closed and an AfD be initiated.

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Having checked and done my homework, I believe there are several good possible articles, let alone redirects. I think this should be deleted to encourage the creation of the article.

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I may have got more confused with Jeffro's opening comment: I thought the Unicode confused Twinkle. not that the process somehow stopped. I suppose it is harmless, but I still reckon

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him. Yogesh, you haven't shown any. The vast majority of people here also agree. The article created on January 2011 had unreliable Geocities and Yahoo groups as refs, with the

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function in Twinkle. It failed to add the correct template. I erroneously added the incorrect template manually because it's been so long since I've done it outside of Twinkle.--

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for example has had no visits since the day of creation. Additionally "not necessary" is not a reason to delete a redirect, we delete them if they are harmful but this is not.

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yeah, I have no idea why I led myself down the garden path about "A", as you did say clearly it was about the exclamation point; I think I was trying to extend it to say that

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This redirect includes an obscure Unicode symbol (U+01C3, an IPA symbol representing a retroflex click) in place of the exclamation mark, and is unlikely to ever be required.

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Why not have a full fledged AfD then, because your view needs to be substantiated by why the plethora of reliable sources are not good enough to give the subject notability.

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and this is being confused here.This discussion is about a redirect that needs to be deleted and this is not a place to discuss about notability or other editorial issues .

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is another period of 30 days with 9 hits total. Never more than 2 a day. This discussion with like 6-7 people is more traffic than the redirect has seen in 6 months.

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This redirect needs to be deleted it is clearly disputed that Sabajit Roy is founder and his association is clearly in dispute and further this discussion is about a

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probably is the most RS, but I can't get to the specific article to quote it. Roy seems to use social media a lot, but is not mentioned at the target, so presumably

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CNN-IBN TV interviewer described Sarbajit Roy as "a man who found time to stall the Delhi sealing drive, have CAS repealed and get telecom operators regulated"

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I went through the whole discussion and google it for further analysis; people are divided politically, too fiercely. Though I have high esteem for

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Most, if not all, of the hits in November prior to the RfD were me. There's no indication that the twenty or so earlier hits (in the last 90 days

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Usually redirect discussion are about whether to keep or delete a redirect and not about the Pre redirect version or any content related issue.

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What evidence are you basing that assertion of implausibility on? The encyclopaedia got on just fine for several years without an article on

1514:. Having quotes by a subject does not constitute significant coverage. We know nothing about the person from quotes on different subjects. 1870:'s own entry is 8 months later on same directory. Is there any similar exhaustive directory entry anywhere for Anna Hazare's IAC movement ? 1725:: For the allegation of no relation to IAC, here is a Hindustan Times article which states that it was a movement co-founded by the subject. 2988:

in question is perfectly analogous to a "synonym", and using a retroflex click instead of an exclamation mark is absolutely a "misnomer".--

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I have no further interest in your tedious special pleading for this implausible redirect. If it stays, it stays. It remains pointless.--

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article unless we can find independent verification that the group and the movement are the same (which we haven't yet managed to do). -

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I've replaced the PROD template on the redirect with the RfD tag. Redirects are not eligible for PROD, which may be why Twinkle failed.

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any replies or quotes. If this is not feasible, consider posting another message to clarify or correct the intended meaning instead.

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in September, I thought it was really, really obvious that the redirect should be deleted if the person was no longer mentioned in

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I'm having some trouble with that "leading PLC manufacturer" description. I've read the sentence in the 2005 thumbnail you cited

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Clarifying my nomination: I don't believe this redirect is an attack on Yglesias or that it raises significant BLP issues. The

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If someone has entered this phrase, and the stats show that people do, where else are they going to be expecting to be taken?

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I didn't say "English speakers", I deliberately said "English readers". I possibly should have emphasised that, my fault.

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Actually, I now know that you are a sock/meat. Whois is a wonderful thing. You will be blocked very shortly, I am sure. -

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would survive an AFD, while my understanding (based on the edit-summaries in the article history) is that the sourcing in

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turned it from an article into a redirect, citing continual BLP issues in the edit comment, then a bit of housekeeping by

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To suggest you will send the boys round to hurt my friends and family, I would definitely consider a personal attack.

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Your interpretation of the very small number of unassessable hits is not evidence for practicality of the redirect.--

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Constitutional expert Sarbajit Roy, who has also challenged the ministry's (sealing) notification in the high court

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Does it mean you are voting to get the redirect deleted and restore the article a particular pre-redirect version?

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What do you mean "if article was created"? The article was started on 8 Jan. 2011, and it makes no mention of IAC.

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article only quoting him. He wasn't notable when the article was originally created and still isn't notable.

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Your comparison of a valid article with an implausible redirect is ridiculous and merits no further response.--

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very well known and notable social worker for genuine activism and successful legal advocacy of social issues.

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Otherwise, factually wrong assertions and wikilinks to unrelated pages do not a rationale for deletion make.

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A few notability establishing mentions in RS. (1) Times of India (September, 2006): Constitutional expert.

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I don't think it is an attack. There is nothing more to say here, so dropping it is a default position. -

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for now unless it can be explained in the article. Otherwise this simply looks like an attack retarget. --

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IP 93.174.123.136.I had only edited my comments and I had not referred to you or another editor and your

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UPA government disinclined to implement the NDA government's CAS scheme after Sarbajit Roy's SC petition

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 10, 2014.

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What matters is whether people use it, not why they use it. Not all redirects that exist get traffic

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I'm not seeing a circumstance where a user will enter an odd unicode mark and expect to be taken to

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listed as NGO on an independent business directory service saying Roy and Malik run the outfit. The

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name. And some of the hits could be by the creator of the redirect to review their novel effort.--

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The big problem is that you appear to have misunderstood the big problem ;) The IAC movement that

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is the "argument for deletion", that we don't all have to be "in the know" to find something;

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as the movement was clearly covered in the National and International media and which mention

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What is more, there is a Dr. Simon Trew at Sandhurst, a very eminent military historian, as

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but the encyclopaedia is better now that it does exist, the same is true of this redirect.

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Why? I'm not seeing any evidence of vandalism or other inappropriate editing on this page.

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the target link to section "Internal split" and restore your deletion of sourced content.

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I ask again what evidence you are using to determine that this redirect is implausible?

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also if this is an article deletion discussion, let us close this RfD and start an AfD.

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the recent traffic is from the RfD. Before it was proposed this got basically 0 hits.

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variant, that while looking obscure and implausible at first sight is in reality not.

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I always use my real name. They can come and find me. trewsm@gmail.com, if they want.

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My bad, Hindustan Today it is not Hindustan Times, not the same class as the later.

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not a vert likely search term and not something readily associated with the target.

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is presently running the target article movement as National Convenor and Roy also

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Why the draft when the article exists in main space, why not AfD straight away?

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their way, so I'm not sure why you think you might succeed where they failed. -

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to him as an expert, or a first, explain that away please, this is not a vote.

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that he founded IAC and lent its name to the movement ,further the claim that

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article where they can learn about the symbol and the topic it represents.

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failed to complete some of the steps for registering proposed deletion.--

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Virus creator/ hacker and leading manufacturer of PLCs in Northern India.

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Lots of things are typeable using an IME, but it still doesn't make it

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This redirect should be deleted if Roy is edited out of per consensus.

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line? And why are you so keen on deleting something that is harmless?

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threats" perhaps I am not not entitled to a say before I get done in?

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Oh, I believe you... did you see already it is double posted here: -->

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article where that character is discussed, while those searching for

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The article has been stripped back more than once, Yogesh. I did it,

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RFD discussion is not the place to resolve mostly editorial disputes

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Please read my previous arguments as these two were shared already.

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being "understood" by the device differently in Dutch or English.

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per nom, highly unlikely redirect using an untypable character --

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Esp since your opinion influences others as the one editor above.

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The way to end a stupid law is not to ignore it but to enforce it

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.

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suggested it does perhaps hinder that. For example I could see

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as Sarbajit Roy does not have a clear enough link with the IAC

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have an exclamation mark and it has become kinda an in-joke: "

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problem. I can find online from 2 years ago (16 Oct 2012) the

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An AfD would almost be pointless as there are no references

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and the prominent Hindustan Times report which you removed

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either place your clarifications separately or below mine (

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his work: "Ten things that ought to be taught in schools"

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sorry for the double delete. Some might call it a bug in

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and posted it above as you have signed your post below.

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ambiguous and that is why it is harmful: the essay at

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chose not comment when contacted by that newspaper.

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