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1124:. Just because other plausible redirects don't (yet) exist does not mean that this plausible one should not (if this is kept then I will likely create those as well). What happens if people try and visit a page that doesn't exist depends on several things, principally what method they use and whether they are logged in or not, whether the title was previously deleted may have impacted too but I'm not 100% sure on that one. I went through all this a couple of years back, from memory the possible results were: 1202:). So if the target is correct and unambiguously referred to by the redirect title it is normally best to leave them as they are. "Now they are created, they cannot be deleted" is not an accurate representation of my view, which is more correctly rendered as "Now they are created, they should not be deleted without a good reason". The existence or non-existence of other redirects is rarely a good reason, and as explained above it is not in this case, but I do not talk in absolutes. 1497:
This redirect makes Fernando Ruiz pointing to the dab page Fernando Ruiz de Castro, but needless to say not all Fernando Ruiz's are called like that. So now there are about a dozen internal Fernando Ruiz links pointing to that dab page. Redirect should be deleted so those links become red again until
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the closest I've turned up in searches is "Pokulous" which is apparently the name of a non-notable poker website, and "pukulous" which has a definition in Urban Dictionary (the perfect example of an unreliable source, but would be a dictionary definition anyway) and which might also mean something in
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this user used their userpage as a sandbox, instead of creating a sandbox subpage, so the leftover redirect is highly inappropriate. Someone arriving on the userpage would get redirected, and those could then click on talk to try to leave the user a message, meaning the message ends up on the wrong
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have that article or redirect. My usual thinking is that redirects are not usually worth creating systematically, but better created on the fly when I search for a term and am not redirected, but further searching reveals an article exists, or when you find inexperienced users creating duplicate
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Indeed, the redlinks I provided above show that inexperienced readers do not just create redirects on the fly. Surely, our task is to help people find the information they want. Had I, with my "reader" hat on, created those redirects, would Thryduulf say "Now they are created, they cannot be
721:. That eliminates all the problems of a redirect while maintaining the link the user is apparently happy with. We should not be deleting pages when there is a non-deletion option available that does the same job, doubly so for user pages the user has not requested be deleted. 1193:
Our job is indeed to help people find the content they are looking for, and if a redirect has been created by a human then in most cases that indicates that someone was using that term to find the target (that's why I create most of the redirects that I do, e.g.
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This user has not been active on their account since the creation of the 2 articles, which is going on to 3 years in March, even then they only edited for a day after the initial creation and one edit 2 weeks later, and have not been seen again.-
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says. It would be lovely if we had stats for redlinks, people trying to find and not being able to, and what happens then? A search page: which would suggest we could have saved them the bother by bringing up the search page in the first place.
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That's something that needs to be discussed on the article talk page, possibly advertised at a relevant WikiProject talk, rather than here. I'm tempted to close this discussion without prejudice until that discussion has concluded. Thoughts?
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is the only place I know of that reliable statistics for page visits to non-existent pages are recorded; and even then I don't know whether someone not visiting the URL of that page (e.g. only viewing search results) is recorded or not.
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article, citing it as unreferenced trivia. Because of that, this redirect should be deleted unless that list is restored. There is no reason to have a separate article unless substantially more notable people from Aruba can be found.
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Si Trew is trying to say that the non-existence of other redirects (most of which is are misspellings) demonstrates the implausibility of this one. Unfortunately if that is the case it is both incorrect and time to re-read
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per WilyD, searching using the names of members of a duo to find information about that duo is completely logical. Just because it might not be the method you personally would choose does not impact what others do.
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article if a lot more people who are from there can be added with proper citations. Personally, I don't get why the editor who removed the list called it "Trivia" when there are similar lists all over Knowledge.
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Non-notable individual who is associated with a group calling itself 'India Against Corruption' which is not clearly the same 'India Against Corruption' which we have an article about (
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The individuals are likely search targets, yes. However that does not, in theory or practice, mean that the two as a duo is not also a likely search target.
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has over 20 individual people in it's subcategories I think that a referenced list is entirely possible and possibly desirable.
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No, I am saying likely search targets are for the individual performers which are blue links. The "and" is the weak fulcrum.
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Finnish (although Google translate doesn't help). None of those though present any useful targets on the English Knowledge.
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Deletion. This is a redirect from a very implausible typo of "Polokus" (a character in the game). No pages link to it.
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Knowledge is generally incomplete, and thus the non-existence of an article or redirect is a bad argument that we
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 11, 2014.
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since it was unsourced and only had 12 entries. However, another user recently removed this from the
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Main user page should not be redirected to other articles; This redirect exist due to a page move.
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It would behoove you to look at the article, then. People will search for duos as duos.
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I don't think this is a plausible typo and no other legitimate targets have been found.--
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I would not object to restoring the list, either as its own article or part of the main
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1516:. Which dozen internal links? Can you list them (or fix them?) 1359:
per nom. My Google search didn't show viable targets either.--
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Aruba
Aruba#Notable people
Talk:Aruba
BDD
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19:46, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
List of Arubans
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20:35, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Category:Aruban people by occupation
Thryduulf
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22:07, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Aruba
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