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historical facts should be written and told to readers of the Arabian sea . if this have been done then not necessary to redirect to any other page . reading persian text or Arabic text by google is not correct and you should not judge the article by google translate the sentences that you thing is not reliable or 'odd' remarks in that article infact are mentioned from medieval geographical Arabic text book and it is history text not for any judgment. but the researchers should know the background of the name of we should not Censorship or omitting the historical issues and facts is not the work of Knowledge (XXG) 00:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
1438:". But this alone doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't exist right? Obviously Google Scholar would present relevant mostly-recent scientific papers. Wanting to be impartial here and to put myself in @Basp1 + @HistoricalNameisPersianSea shoes I figured perhaps when they mention that it's a historical term then it would be a niche thing perhaps mentioned in Persian and Arabic sources in historical contexts or some islamic medieval sources for all we know. So that leaves us with reviewing the sources posted by @Basp1 and @HistoricalNameisPersianSea during their 3267: 3011: 2992: 2648: 2629: 2610: 2458: 2439: 427: 2230:). There's no easy answer here: even scholarly research can't help (as editors above note) unless you read English, Arabic and Persian and understand the local context. At the heart of this is that Arabs won't say the Persian Gulf in the same way that the French won't say the English Channel, but with more enmity. Farsi Knowledge (XXG)'s article for 1222:, because in a body of water's name, the place name is more relevant than the type of body. I think the average person hearing "Persian Sea" would think of the Persian Gulf, just like you'd think of the Gulf of Mexico if someone said the "Sea of Mexico". However, this is a weak preference. What's most important is that these point to the same thing. 1215:, with some Iranians using "Persian Sea" to mean "Arabian Sea"; but others seem to use it as a synonym for "Persian Gulf". Google results show that it's not a very often-used term, unlike its cousin in the naming dispute, "Arabian Gulf"; to the extent that it is used, I don't see a clear winner between it meaning "Arabian Sea" vs. "Persian Gulf." 2389:
is used either to explain a redirection or to provide a more specific disambiguated article suggestion, or to resolve confusion in article title. Neither of which I think applies here. The article have multiple redirects, and as me and Ivan were discussing: I don't think most people would confuse the
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encyclopedically discussing the situation, with any reliable sources we're able to find. I'm wary of the "Persian Gulf Studies" source - I think there's some good info there but I also think it's clearly holding an Iranian nationalist POV. If we can find a better variety of sources like that, then we
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However, given the fact that the most coast of this sea is located in Iran and great civilization such as Shahr-e SoKhte, and Jiroft, which were from second millenary B.C and located here, so it is worthy to get its real name “Mokran” and writers and researchers should use this historic name in reply
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The name of the company is actually Bigstick Productions, Limited (in one word); it was incorporated on November 24, 1969 and there are several notable newspapers and trade papers that mention the company (spelled properly). Most Michael Douglas books/biographies also talk about it. I'm not saying
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article, which describes various historic names that different cultures have assigned to various bodies of water around the Arabian peninsula since antiquity. I have no interest in trying to "settle" the dispute, that's not Knowledge (XXG)'s purpose, and I'm just assuming that the articles on the
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The Arabic terminology matters if it could cause confusion in its translation into English. For example if these words all translated into basically the same word in a foreign language then it would make sense that translating back into English would cause confusion as to which Persian the name
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should be redirected because the body of water officially is Arabia sea . the big problem is that historically in persian and Arabic text and deeds it was called persian sea (Bahre fars=bahre Ajam) and some text called it macran sea until 18 century. and the Turks call it Oman sea so only this
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My problem with disambiguating is lack of information at the possible target articles. That is, we can generally see that several different bodies of water have been called "Persian Sea" in history, but there's little discussion of it on Knowledge (XXG) other than passing mentions, quotes in
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should be named after: Persia or Arabia (or a number of other things, among them Britain because of course), and while some people might confuse the nomenclature of sea vs. gulf, that is much less historically significant. I agree that whatever is decided, these redirects should be at least
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I see that if any body of water is labelled "Persian Sea" it's what Knowledge (XXG) refers to as the Arabian Sea, while the Persian Gulf is sometimes labelled "Arabian Gulf". In other words, the sea is always a sea, and the gulf is always a gulf (the reverse of the consistency that Tamzin
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Searching online, I was unable to find any evidence that this is the name of Michael Douglas's production company, and found some unrelated organizations by the same name. Delete unless evidence demonstrating that Douglas does have a company by this name can be provided.
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come up in this) are appropriately titled, despite all of those bodies of water having had different names in the past. Basically, I looked at the gallery of maps in that article for any appearances of "Persian Sea" or "Mare Persicus" (many of the maps are Latin). Those
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The idea that the entire area has in the past been referred to as one body of water named "Persian Sea" has some merit: it essentially follows the Greeks' naming of everything from the Red Sea through to the Persian Gulf and much of the maritime route to India as the
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There are about 10 ancient maps from Greeks, which named the Mokran Sea and Persian Gulf together as the Pars Sea. But after Arabs raid to Iran, and because Iranian have lost their previous political powers, many changes have been made in geographical names of Iran’s
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From the earlier discussion, I recall that the Gulf of Oman is only ever called the Persian Sea when it's viewed as part of the same body of water as what we call the Arabian Sea (i.e. Persian Sea refers to both concurrently). I'm sure this doesn't help anything.
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refers to, among speakers of the foreign language. I agree that does not appear to be the case here. As for the Gulf of Oman, you're right that several of these maps include it in what they label "Persian Sea", but none of them apply the label to
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Firing up Google Scholar and browsing up to 30 results pages by searching 'Persian Sea' I've noticed that almost all search results are using the Persian Gulf in the title with the 'sea' keyword being used in the title or body like for example:
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Can I just say that I appreciate the laugh I had thinking of you doing a Google search for "Stinky crack" and looking through the results? The things folks on Knowledge (XXG) do to be sure a deletion nomination is valid is impressive.
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that in neither Farsi nor Arabic is "Persian Sea" used to mean "Arabian Sea"; a translation from Farsi is likely to refer to Persian Gulf; a translation from Arabic is likely to refer to Gulf of Oman. Take your pick.
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I don't think a buttcrack is separated into an upper, middle and lower crack. I'm not sure human biology supports this division of anatomy or if anyone would search Knowledge (XXG) for "Upper crack".
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into a disambiguation page because ancient people who didn't really understand the geography used their terms imprecisely. Everyone here is clearly using Persian Sea for the Arabian one; let's just
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The USA is not the world and in countries that have an independence day the local one is almost always going to be primary topic. Looking on google just now, for me in London the primary topic is
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I agree and could probably put together a page for memecoins in general once this redirect is gone. Another solution is is someone adds a memecoin section to the main Cryptocurrency page.
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Mokran Sea (Oman sea) is located in southeast of Iran which, in fact, is the continuation of Indian Ocean. It is limited to Iran’s coast from north and to Arabia Sea and Oman from south.
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but it's all the evidence I can come up with for where the redirect should point. The many historical names for the other bodies of water are entirely irrelevant to this discussion.
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Agree with Ivan and Nomad that we are not looking at settling of the naming dispute. Rather we can be consistent with different enwiki pages claiming "Persian Sea" for themselves.
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but Jay edit conflicted with me. I do think more discussion would be beneficial, so I am instead relisting. Note that I have applied indefinite semi-protection to these redirects.
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That being said, my Google results mostly turn up articles on anal hygiene, so maybe this is a valid search term. Those results are peppered with articles on how to identify
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I actually think it's a plausible search term, but too ambiguous with various creams commonly used by men for beauty or health reasons. A synonym-only DAB would probably be
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can you elaborate? We don't seem to have an article on a historical Persian Sea, which I take to mean a body of water that is neither the Persian Gulf nor the Arabian Sea.
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since this was meant as a temporary page to facilitate a page swap. When these come up, I almost always merge the history with the other page being swapped, in this case
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I'm pretty sure Arabs did distinguish between Ocean محيط - Sea بحر - Gulf خليج - and even Bay جون. For example Medieval Arab historians referred to the Persian Gulf as
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also means 'never ending reaches'. But I'm not sure what Arabic let alone classical Arabic has to do with this argument or the English Knowledge (XXG) article names?
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and... honestly? I feel more lost now than when I've started. So I thought I would present my findings and why I don't necessarily lean to either redirecting to the
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were worth creating a redirect for, I don't think we have a suitable target. Something obesity-related, probably, not just the article on the "buttcrack". So,
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This might be a straightforward error from a page swap, but it has a history which is odd. Delete, or if the history really needs to be kept, retarget to
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here. A disambiguation page might have the benefit of not needing to find sources and leave that to the destination pages, much like the situation at the
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Well yes, that's kind of my point: most of the appearances of "Persian Sea" in articles that we could disambiguate are currently entirely unsourced.
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It could be that Arabic maritime terminology doesn't distinguish between a sea and a gulf in the same way that western European languages tend to.
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Too late, but adding my vote just for the record, in case of any future Rfds. I was about to enter the below but then found the Rfd missing.
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the name was prolific and deserves a Knowledge (XXG) entry of its own, but I feel that it certainly warrants a redirect to Michael Douglas.--
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I don't think anyone suggested that or brought it up if I'm not mistaken. As for drawing connection between the maps and the redirect being
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Ha, Pokemon ORAS was actually the first thing that came to mind when I saw this nom. Unfortunately, it isn't even mentioned on the page.
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page the "institute" raise some concerning red flags and I'm not only referring to their neutrality, but some 'odd' remarks as well:
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I'm surprised no one noticed that we already have an article with this title. Just slap an R from miscapitalisation template on it.
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mentions it in a quote which is clearly referring to the Persian Gulf), and things that SPAs have edited to articles like
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Aryan Races have been the first noble dwellers on the green earth to settle in this land and make true subjects to God.
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has to be done. If this close just serves to get the attention of someone else who reverts me and closes it themself,
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Granted I haven't checked the Urban Dictionary but I don't think any reader will search for Semen under "Man cream".
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which strike me as eerily similar to some remarks @HNiPS wrote while editing which makes me question whether it's
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Not mentioned at the target. As far as I'm aware, "memecoin" refers to cryptocurrencies started as jokes, such as
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has redirected to Arabian Sea since 2012. The discrepancy appears to be related to the lesser-known twin to the
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per Mlb. I think sometimes a redirect is so bizarre that no one thinks to see if it has any other viable target.
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seems like a perfect candidate for a disambiguation page, listing all possible meanings of the name, with
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that whatever the outcome is, some form of protection is needed for the redirection pages. It looks like @
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have just protected the main article as well. And sorry for the wall-of-text y'all it became my habit :p
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per nom. Looking at this and similar search terms (excess water, excessive water) I find topics like
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per nom. Could have a number of meanings, and not worth creating a synonym-only DAB page over.
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toward the nationalist position which I think the closer have to take into account as well.
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Those are all the ones in that gallery that have a body of water labelled Persian Sea or
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or other water-related problems. I think deletion is the correct course of action here.
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that I'm not taking a position in this debate and in fact was actually leaning toward @
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is pointing at the Gulf of Oman. This is also consistent with the article used by the
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in the same way that western European languages tend to, but I can't comment on that.
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which looks like a pattern as well (So should we make Gulf of Oman a third option?).
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I think you mean retarget the first (which currently targets
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in this case, and there isn't even a Wiktionary entry, so
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And I'm pretty certain that this one 179:as the holiday for "Independence Day". 2332:per Nomad and Bazonka: Persian Sea to 384:as plausible misrendering of the name. 784:Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire 7: 3005:Template:Infobox scientist biography 1758:As for the maps if I'm not mistaken 1571:I originally wrote this in reply to 1075:, but this has been open for almost 1887:the Gulf of Oman, so I still think 1625:File:Persian(IRAN) Empire 1747.jpg 1466:http://www.persiangulfstudies.com/ 133:List of national independence days 28: 3053:The result of the discussion was 2861:The result of the discussion was 2690:The result of the discussion was 2500:The result of the discussion was 1059:The result of the discussion was 918:The result of the discussion was 469:The result of the discussion was 258:The result of the discussion was 88:The result of the discussion was 3265: 3009: 2990: 2646: 2627: 2608: 2456: 2437: 1681:includes the Gulf of Oman while 1414:and (now blocked indefinitely) @ 425: 169:Independence Day (United States) 94:Independence Day (United States) 1771:could also be referring to the 1067:. As the filer, I am obviously 421:Attack of the Galactic Monsters 1671:File:Detailed_map_of_Asia..jpg 1643:Two Medieval Monks Invent Maps 100:, so this would need to be an 1: 2123:Arabian Sea#Alternative names 770:as ambiguous, could refer to 2366:(which has no mention), and 1266:persian sea can redirect to 199:Independence Day (1996 film) 2370:, currently redirecting to 2362:, currently redirecting to 2242:(Gulf of Oman). This would 1577:Persian Gulf naming dispute 1347:Persian Gulf naming dispute 1213:Persian Gulf naming dispute 1201:from 2006 to 2010, then to 3290: 1962:could be on to something. 1793:Excerpts from the article: 1685:includes the Gulf of Aden. 1655:for the Persian Gulf, and 1416:HistoricalNameisPersianSea 1105:11:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC) 108:of it being successful. -- 3069:20:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC) 2877:08:57, 11 July 2021 (UTC) 2706:08:57, 11 July 2021 (UTC) 1787:although that website is 1013:21:44, 10 July 2021 (UTC) 934:23:53, 11 July 2021 (UTC) 538:Could equally refer to a 489:23:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC) 276:22:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC) 3252:Please do not modify it. 3241:04:44, 6 July 2021 (UTC) 3216:13:16, 5 July 2021 (UTC) 3196:13:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC) 3173:12:32, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 3159:07:37, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 3138:not about the same thing 3128:02:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 3036:Please do not modify it. 2977:Please do not modify it. 2968:07:41, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 2936:06:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 2844:Please do not modify it. 2823:Please do not modify it. 2814:07:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC) 2797:07:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 2765:06:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 2673:Please do not modify it. 2595:Please do not modify it. 2587:14:20, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 2526:16:55, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 2483:Please do not modify it. 2424:Please do not modify it. 2415:15:25, 5 July 2021 (UTC) 2381:17:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 2374:(which has no mention). 2351:17:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 2324:17:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 2311:18:03, 4 July 2021 (UTC) 2274:13:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC) 2257:11:53, 8 June 2021 (UTC) 2213:05:34, 6 June 2021 (UTC) 2180:15:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC) 2166:12:43, 27 May 2021 (UTC) 2135:16:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC) 2106:21:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC) 2070:. 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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Redirects for discussion
Log
July 3
July 5
July 4
talk page
deletion review
Independence Day (United States)
Independence Day
WP:RM
a snowball's chance
Tavix
02:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Independence Day
List of national independence days
talk
links
history
stats
Independence Day (United States)
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC
July 4
Neel.arunabh
talk
20:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
Independence Day (1996 film)
Thryduulf
talk
01:21, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
talk page

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