Knowledge (XXG):Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 21

1268:. It's not a dab page we need, but an article about the item of hardware shaped like a D and used for webbing on trucks, straps on clothing, hanging pictures, BDSM, and a multitude of other purposes including diving gear. There are variations with an attached tab for a screw/nail (picture-hanging), variations with a hinged section like a carabiner, and so on. Some are made of plastic. Two D rings together can form a sort of buckle for clothing. All this can go in the article, properly sourced. The entry in the Diving glossary can refer back to this general article. We need refs/examples for the various fields in which D rings are used. Possibly something about when the terminology was first used (doesn't seem to be in the OED, sadly). 1295:. I’m not sure how to do this, so please excuse my lack of familiarity with the protocol. But the Original page (as a freestanding page, and not a redirect anywhere) was appropriate. That’s what a D-ring is, foremost. Anybody who’s worked with them knows this. (And by all means their use in underwater work is a minor subset, and this page should not redirect there; rather, vice versa, if anything.) If you want to create a separate disambiguation page, fine, so long as this page remains as it is. Minor uses of the term (like a D-ring binder) should be worked in wherever appropriate. But good intentions should not lead to usurping the existing page and its focus. 947: 916: 457:, who two years prior had BLAR'd the page; page before that point had been a fork? of Scooter (motorcycle) created by... Scooteristi, interestingly enough) then went back and restored the redirect that was there (perhaps not noticing that the page was now Motorscooterxxx).In any case, whatever nonsensical reasoning behind this, there's nothing of value in the 2009-era fork that's in the edit history. 1399: 1380: 1361: 359: 1055:

we've had an unsourced article showing the diverse uses of D rings - holding down loads on lorries, BDSM, saddlery, safety harnesses, diving /climbing/ caving gear, etc. It would be more constructive to find a few sources to support some of these uses, rather than convert the article to a redirect to

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did-- they left a redirect behind when moving Motorscooter, then repaired the Motorscooter redirect to point at Scooter (motorcycle), meanwhile, not moving Scooter (motorcycle) anywhere. Also interesting is that before they moved Motorscooter to Motorscooterxxx, they blanked the page-- another editor

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Yes, sorry, I did that on noticing that it was clearly wrongly-targetted, but hadn't noticed the other one also wrong (and it's also hard to spot them in the D-G list as they are filed letter-by-letter where I expected word-by-word!) ... then looked further into D-rings and despaired of a sensible

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solution. The Wiktionary definition is specific to diving, but it appears from googling that "D-ring" is a very widely-used term for, well, literally a D-shaped ring, used in hanging pictures, anchoring webbing, and many other fields. As we don't have a

505:-- Scooteristi had copy-pasted the Scooter article in its entirety over to Motorscooter, then BLAR'd the Scooter article, only for Tedder to fix it. Which means that everything notable in this article's edit history was already in the edit history of 448:? Move Motorscooter to Motorscooterxxx, move Scooter (motorcycle) to Motorscooter, then move Motorscooterxxx to Scooter (motorcycle), all without leaving redirects behind? Because if that was the goal, that's not what 1142:

per above. I agree that the hardware may not be Primary Topic, and even if it is, shouldn't be the only thing people are given access to- someone searching for "D ring" or "D-ring" could just as easily be looking for

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are mostly unrelated to diving and just expect an article about the generic bit of hardware - there is an unsourced stub in the history of that page about that, but I'm not sure what scope there is for expansion?

1198:- The proposed article at D-ring can be moved to "D-ring (Hardware)" or similar, but I don't think there is a primary topic between it, the rings of saturn, and binders, so the base term should be disambiguated. 1302: 187:

Although for me it's a pejoratively term at Ofcom by Dan Wootton but however it was a one-off use, I've acted in good faith but I will accept the final decision of this discussion.

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Perhaps we need to edit Wiktionary to remove diving's hijacking of a generic term, then we could have a dab page for diving and Saturn, with a Wiktionary link.

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Apparently it's an insult slung at Ofcom by Dan Wootton after he was found guilty of breaking Ofcom's broadcasting rules and lost his job at GB News.

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wanted for the main article to be at that title, and made a rather disruptive copy-paste onto the redirect. The situation here is similar to the "

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No explanation why this redirect should exist. The phrase "Ofcommunist" does not appear in the Ofcom article. Suspect this is a PoV redirect. —

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and the other two redirected back to it; but there is a need for a stand-alone article explaining the ingenious contraption. --

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was (unsourced stub or no) much more useful than the current nautical one-liner. We should probably end up with D-ring as a

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None of these terms are clearly the most prevalent, so none should be singled out at the top of the new disambig page. —

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and find some sources to add so that we don't go round this loop again. Here are a couple for starters: D rings in

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i can understand the reasoning. x is a really cool letter, so adding more x's to things makes them cooler. still,

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should be on the new page. (I haven't read the guidelines here, so am not feel qualified make the decision).

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Implausible title because of the three x's. Most of the edit history consists of a brief edit war, with

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page. Looks like it needs polish, but it's a good start and a sight better than the single sentence on

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 21, 2024.

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any one of them. I suggest that the reader would be better served if we reverted to that article

225:- just an off-hand comment from a journalist (stretching the term), no other uses that I can see. 1322: 1168: 1018: 889: 872: 517: 466: 401: 317: 231: 178: 111: 98: 778:) are the primary topic, nor that they should target different articles. The whatlinkshere for 1038: 243: 1341: