956:? I must say this comment is a good example of the non-sequiturs Johnbod has been putting in the way of constructive debate. I don't know why this is brought up here at all. I would never deny Johnbod is a good faith editor with maybe slight difficulties in the communication department. Nothing like the tag team of nationalist trolls that are pushing this RfC. I'll be very happy to accept any outside evaluation of the "manuscript" case, no RfC is necessary, just use
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asked him in a current dispute to provide sources/citations for his claim/argument because it sounds contrived (original research/thought), but he just puts the same 2 or 3 sentences, as his arguments, where I have sourced the information. He is very disruptive, and seems to take away from
Knowledge (XXG), rather than adding positive changes. He lacks any transparency.
650:), and others who change their account or IP numbers more frequently) who show a staggering innocence of not just knowledge of the topic (which is involved enough), but of some fundamental notions like 'consistency', 'coherence' we usually take for granted when we are saying we have a "dispute" or an "argument". At some point, meaningful debate just ceases to be feasible (
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on many
Hinduism pages involving many users. The conflict specifically noted by this request for comment is therefore a canary in the mine. I am unfamiliar with the details of the conflict resolution processes on Knowledge (XXG), but I hope that those who are external to the pages will begin by looking at the broad patterns of editing by all users involved.
840:.While I may have my set of differences with user Dab,I think he is a very good contributer and user.He,like many others (including me) has become a frequent target of a certain group of users who seek to take control over a set of articles or related topics.Dab is overall good and a valuable contributer.--
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I wasn't involved in this dispute, but user
Dbachmann (aka dab) (plus rudra) have/are showing a non-neutral view. His talk page has been archived 3 times in 3 months. Many people have expressed similar problems with dab on article talk pages, concerning ganging-up, and shouting down people. I have
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Terms like revisionism, pseudoscience and propaganda are inherently disapproving and dismissive in nature. Moreover, since they directly refer to Hindu religion, they can also me considered defamatory and discriminatory. I believe this not only jeopardizes
Knowledge (XXG)’s neutrality, it even pushes
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I have no particular expertise on the specific content of the articles involved in the
Indigenous Aryan Theory and Out of India pages, and have not followed them closely, but my overall impression is that the conflict found on those pages is symptomatic of a larger cultural conflict that takes place
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Indigenous Aryan Theory page or the associated discussion, but in other areas I have found that Dab's editorial actions remain as a shining example of scholarly sanity in an area (Indian prehistory) in which nationalistic POV is rampant. Dab deserves the highest commendation
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Literature and External Links sections, to be a fine encyclopedic article and anything but Original Research. This is a new article -- a work in progress if you wish -- and
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This is a very clear case of a group pushing a certain fringe POV over a wide range of articles. Many more wikipedians should have taken an active effort in countering this but dab has had to do this mostly alone. While dab has a crass argumentative style in my eyes he is excused simply because of
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unable to provide. Dab created the IAT page and when he is in disagreement with another user like
Sbhushan, he misused his admin powers and blocked SBhushan. This is not the first time Dab misused his admin powers. I wonder why he still continues to be admin with his uncivil and rude behavior.
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user, not different disputes or multiple users. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with ~~~~. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: 15:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)), the
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I have been following the conversation between Dab and SBhushan for a while on Out of India Theory and
Indigenous Aryan Theory (? - Never heard of it). Dab has been very rude with him in many occasions. SBhushan asked for references again and again for some of the controversial edits but he was
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has no academic recognition, but he has ceased to respond. The only thing the manuscripts have in common is that they are all Swiss or South German. Maybe this is the Indigenous Alpine Theory? I must say in fairness he has not used Administrator powers in this dispute.
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as pseudoscientific nonsense and suppressing fringe authors arguing there may be something to it in spite of everything, they would be blocked as trolls in five minutes. Can we please apply the same measure to all flavours of racist nonsense and ethnic supremacism?
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This is nonsense, but clearly here is not the place to pursue it. I will just say that the article is just a cover for his attempts to form breakaway categories for his Swiss material. He is still resisting merging these, which is the whole point at issue.
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is as good as any other science, and go ad hominem when their attempts are exposed. Let us not let Knowledge (XXG) become a platform for ethnic nationalism. If we had a half-dozen of German editors RfCing me because I tried to expose
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the extreme pressure put on him by these POV-pushers, some of whom have no understanding of basic argumentation and who repeatedly select and twist facts and sources to align with their worldview. Dab has been alone arguing that
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1123:. Discussion should not be added below. Discussion should be posted on the talk page. Threaded replies to another user's vote, endorsement, evidence, response, or comment should be posted to the talk page.
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During the discussion Dab argued that the words "Indigenous Aryanism" were coined by Bryant (2001), I provide citation from Bryant (2001) page 6 to show that Bryant also said the unavoidable corollary is
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research I think. That Knowledge (XXG) didn't have the article, or that its not appropriately referenced, or that some editors are not aware of the research is not a reason to suggest its OR.--
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Dbachmann doesn't seem to have done anything wrong - unless, of course, acting for the best of the encyclopedia against POV-pushers is wrong all of a sudden. My commendations to him.
182:(Provide diffs. Links to entire articles aren't helpful unless the editor created the entire article. Edit histories also aren't helpful as they change as new edits are performed.)
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I know very little about the area this page is concerned with, but this case has many parallels with Dab's recent establishment of a completely new and OR article and category of
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I don't believe they create legal difficulties, however, I suspect they were created more to annoy editors who sometimes disagree with him, instead of as useful redirects.
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is creating a new term without any citation to published material. All controversial statements in the article should have citation to material acceptable to
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Evidence that user was considered for being stripped of his admin powers, but was let off the hook in the end. This is what that may have emboldened the user.
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should give a feeling of Déjà Vu to most observers. What is striking about the previous RFC is that the accusations against the user are virtually identical.
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is frankly one of the more hilarious things I've seen on Knowledge (XXG), and I think no further comment is needed, review of the surrealism going down on
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