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371:). In addition, the user does not seem to understand the purpose of article talk pages; using them as off-topic discussion threads and trolling ponds. I would like the user to become a responsible editor who follows policy and does not need to be watched; but unfortunately, I don't see that happening. The resources required to correct the user's edits and police their behavior are more than should have to be expended by other editors and admins. There is little or no good faith in this user's edits and contributions; sadly, just the opposite. The user appears to be a textbook boundary-pushing troll. 469:. In response to what could have been a good faith request for citations, I found and added references to the section on Nazi gas chambers - not autopsy results, of course, as those are somewhat hard to find for Holocaust victims, but other sources that were reputable and verifiable. A couple of weeks later, he returned to the talk page and again asked for autopsy results 343:; involving his disputing the numbers of dead in The Holocaust. After that exchange, I took a look at the user's contributions. I hate to think the worst of someone; but there was something dark about the user's edits/contributions, when looked at not just individually, but as a whole, as a pattern. Not just the blatant POV pushing (e.g., 60:
user, not different disputes or multiple users. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with ~~~~. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: 21:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)), the
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Just a quick view of the this person's editing history and talk page shows that he is using Knowledge (XXG) to promote a blatant racist and anti-semetic political agenda, and is not prepared to interact with other editors in a civil and productive manner. This editor should probably be blocked from
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i reject the terms anti-semetic and racist as i am neither. becuase i provoke what i feel are inteligent discussions? because i question the "official" version of history. because i rasie thought provoking questions? i think that there is a hypersensitivity here and that there are too many people
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Keltik31 appears harmless. Many of his edits are very opinionated and possibly offensive to a selected some. If this user were to bring citation, there would not be an issue. Summary 2 states: "after this kind of edit every action from this user is suspect." Every edit form every user should be
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While I can't speak to the user's other edits, (s)he should not be reprimanded for that. I would advise, however, that in future discussion on the talk page, I would advise the user use a subject heading such as "Removed an edit containing a racial slur" rather than to repeat the slur there.
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This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary is biased or incomplete. Users signing other sections ("Statement of the dispute" and "Outside Views") should not edit the "Response"
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i didnt say that they werent terrorists. get your facts straight my friend. where do i say "the 9/11 hijackers were not terrorists"? am i missing something? is there something in the water i drink that makes me so far off the same page as people who make stupid claims like this?
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This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute. Users editing other sections ("Statement of the dispute" and "Response") should not edit the "Outside Views" section, except to endorse an outside
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article edits, I notice that he removed several cited statements as well as inserting his own (uncited) POV statements. As he seems to have denied every accusation of POV made against him, it appears likely that he'll continue to compromise the validity of articles until he is
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It was not removed as normal vandalism should be it was moved to the talk page. Completely inappropriate, either a completely misguided revert or outright racism. We can assume good faith but given this users time on Knowledge (XXG) and other edits it is difficult.
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As it became clearer that he was simply trying to stir things up and wasn't actually interested in learning more about Catholicism I still gave him information but pointed out that this may be an instance of trolling on his part. His response was
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with too much time on their hands. that is my opinion. i think that the holocaust was exadgerated and that the naacp is a racist organization. i am not alone. but i am not a nazi or a klansman because of it and i resent the implication.
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to alter his writing style; if he cannot, he is recommended to express his opinions anywhere that is not Knowledge (XXG). Just be cautious not to get shot by people who disagree with you. Freedom of speech is not a real thing.
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the "upity nigger" comment was put on the article page by someone else. i moved it to the discussion page and commented that i had to remove it. i dont use that word to describe people, not even thugs like rodney king.
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Added "israel is a terrorist state and does it's evil deeds with the consent and taxpaer dollars of american citizens who are kept in the dark as to the facts by the zionist-controlled media....the Wikitards"
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has a little bit of a bombastic style which he could certainly work to clean up. The only point of evidence that should stand against him is the as it is definitely in violation of
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this is another fabrication of the truth. i have made edits and asked questions of other issues. this sounds more to me like a Knowledge (XXG) Witch Hunt than a real inquiry.
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User repeatedly makes only racist and anti-Semetic contributions. Pushes POV with nearly every edit. User is also incivil and has impersonated an administrator. --
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i was not trying to stir the pot, i was just trying to understand why the faith does some of the things it does. i found you to be the one being confrontational.
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just wondering where catholics get some of their practices from. if it isnt in the bible, then it isnt legit in my book. you just cant make it up as you go.
808:{Add summary here, but you must use the endorsement section below to sign. Users who edit or endorse this summary should not edit the other summaries.} 490:. I suggested that if he really disagreed with the article and its references, he could edit it himself if he could find valid and reputable sources 402:. I attempted to answer his questions. It became increasingly clear that he wasn't interested in asking questions but instead was stirring the pot: 493:. He never took me up on that suggestion, but returned to the talk page to once again post questions casting doubt on the facts of the Holocaust 296:
issues. If the user would be civil, not insult other editors and sourced his additions we wouldn't have nearly as serious issue with the POV.
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can be viewed as a difference of opinion for which there has been no good faith effort by other parties to seek consensus, therefore
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what have i said that is racist or anti-semetic? you can lobb that accusation, but back it up. i consider that a personal attack.
314:). Since then, despite a block by another admin for personal attacks, it appears that disruptive behavior has continued (examples 226: 787:
particular views on these issues, but I do affirm his non-violation of policies summary as detailed within my above response.
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This user has been accused of disruptive behavior including uncivil statements, personal attacks, threats, and violations of
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When it was pointed out by another editor that talk pages really aren't the place for such a discussion his response was:
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because you didn't like him using the word nigger. Many edits are POVs and to write for Knowledge (XXG), he would
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While this probably could have been better phrased on the talk page, it does appear to be true that this user
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This user has trouble relating to others and is quick to anger (possibly a troll) also blatant pusher of POV.
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He first came to my attention when he asked what appeared to be legitimate questions about Catholicism
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Added 'National Association for the Advancement of Colored People' to list of allegedly racist groups
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i think i'll do what i want to do and wait for irish guy's response. thanks for your input though
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Added 'One of the worst displays of violence was a gauntlet run by black and hispanic rioters'
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i suggest you kiss the sunny side of my royal irish ass. trolling? is that a personal attack?
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to state that there were no autopsy results showing that anyone had been gassed during the
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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Keltik31&diff=prev&oldid=84109731
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I think that one edit completely destroys Keltik31's defense that he is not a racist,
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I have warned this user for disruptive, POV-pushing, and uncivil behavior (examples
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signed comments and talk not related to an endorsement should be directed to
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tags on the content in question or changing the content with attention to
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well? are there any autopsy results proving it? afraid of the truth?
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is this a lecture, because i dont remember signing up for the class
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by other editors whose correct course of action should have been
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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A summary of the debate may be found at the bottom of the page.
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Israel is a terrorist state/Personal attacks on Wikipedians
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and suggested other ones that supported his point of view
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At that point, I warned him about civility. His response:
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User alleges, "Free thought is discouraged here anyway."
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Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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so that instance does not qualify as a violation of
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page will be deleted. The current date and time is:
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User alleges Knowledge (XXG)'s "gutless liberalism"
462:. I reverted that as a POV edit. He then asked on 760:shows only the aforementioned as a violation of 292:The real issues are personal attacks and blatant 39:No further edits should be made to this page. 899:with the "uppity n*****" quote, not added it. 1011:No further edits should be made to this page. 528:User is biased and uncivil. Looking over his 8: 276:Users certifying the basis for this dispute 151:"you are crazy if you think it happened" 339:My first interaction with the user was 205:Changed "militant" to "citizen soldier" 7: 565:if you want to ban me? then ban me. 445:Other users who endorse this summary 138:wiki pinhead"] part of a long rant 50:Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment 18:Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment 263:User denies making personal attacks 195:off topic posting at 9/11 talk page 614:(note: this edit is restored from 214:Applicable policies and guidelines 24: 817:contributing to Knowledge (XXG). 103:. 21:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC) 947:Users who endorse this summary: 914:Users who endorse this summary: 827:Users who endorse this summary: 768:. That calls for a warning on 658:Users who endorse this summary: 63:09:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC) 1: 682:. The other evidence against 501:22:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC) 452:This user edited the article 335:21:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC) 301:21:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC) 288:21:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC) 121:Evidence of disputed behavior 116:21:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC) 48:In order to remain listed at 999:12:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC) 956:06:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC) 923:01:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC) 886:15:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC) 876:01:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC) 865:22:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC) 855:01:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC) 836:00:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC) 822:02:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC) 792:19:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC) 756:by all parties. 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Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment
request for comment
Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment
Keltik31
talk
contribs
logs
neutral point of view
Db099221
21:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Keltik31&diff=prev&oldid=84109731
"you're also a liberal"
"you are crazy if you think it happened"
"stay in chicago"
"wierdo guy"
"put the crack pipe down"
"He was being an uppity nigger and needed an attitude adjustment"
Added 'National Association for the Advancement of Colored People' to list of allegedly racist groups
Added 'One of the worst displays of violence was a gauntlet run by black and hispanic rioters'
"the state of Israel is a terrorist nation and Ariel Sharon is a terrorist"
Added "israel is a terrorist state and does it's evil deeds with the consent and taxpaer dollars of american citizens who are kept in the dark as to the facts by the zionist-controlled media....the Wikitards"
Changed "militant" to "citizen soldier"
WP:Civility
WP:No personal attacks
WP:Neutral point of view
WP:Consensus
WP:Verifiability
User alleges Knowledge (XXG)'s "gutless liberalism"
User denies making personal attacks
User alleges, "Free thought is discouraged here anyway."

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