1721:: for an encyclopedia based on the fundamental principle of NPOV, that the Venezuela/Hugo Chavez articles would be offered as articles in support of Saravask's RfA gives rise to concern. It is troubling that several days have passed and Saravask has not addressed this concern. Is he responsible for the POV in them, is he unaware of the POV, or was he unable to get other editors to remove the POV? I attempted to study the history of the articles in depth to answer these questions myself, and found that the articles were so biased that it was hard to find a starting place, and would rather that Saravask answer the questions himself, to provide an idea of where he stands on the POV in the articles, and how/why they became featured. It is not unusual for POV to work its way into articles in spite of the best intent of other editors. What is alarming is that some of these incomplete, poorly sourced, one-sided and POV Venezuela/Chavez articles were featured articles on Knowledge. This does not speak well for Knowledge's fundamental principles. My concern about this RfA grows, considering that Saravask has chosen not to address this issue, along with the comments about Saravask being overly argumentative, and the number of times he has apologized for his editing style. I wonder if it is not too soon for him to apply for adminship? I hope that he will address the concerns about the POV in his featured articles, and I would additonally hope that other editors would be concerned that POV articles became FA on Wiki. Was this POV able to work its way into the articles because too few editors were aware of the POV, and those who tried to remove it may have had difficulty expressing their arguments well in English? The lack of response from Saravask, along with the argumentative style acknowledged in some of his responses, could indicate qualities that are not desirable in an admin. His focus on a few favorite topics could indicate he is not fully immersed (yet) in the Wiki culture.
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whatever occurred that day. I don't share your assessment that overcoming the POV throughout the articles will be easily doable, even with well-referenced sources. Getting the POV titles changed is not something I expect to be easy, given that (as you acknowledge above) most of the editing history involves stridently pro-Chavez editors and POV. I repeat: these series of articles are an alarming condemnation of the NPOV principle upon which
Knowledge is based. I do sincerely hope that, if you become a sysop, you will become more aware of and work against this sort of POV. I remain concerned that your RfA is based on editing of a few favorite topics, and wonder if you are ready to be an admin. You have enough support from other editors, that I would hope that you would withdraw your RfA, make some gesture of working towards correcting the issues present in these articles, and come back in a few months, when you could possibly attain admin status without opposition. Certainly, I would be willing to support your RfA if I saw an indication that you thought it important to work towards the core principle of POV in a series of articles presented in support of your RfA, rather than telling other editors to go for it.
109:, but declined with modesty. By his own admission, Saravask has up till recently not been very active on janitorial tasks. However, throughout my interactions and observation of him, Saravask has gone out of his way to help others, sharing advice, serious criticism and encouragement. Even though his user talk edits are comparatively low, Saravask has great experience in interactions through peer reviews and talk page comments. IMO, he exhibits patience, passion, meticulousness, an ability to take criticism and build consensus and a razor-sharp power of analysis. He is always helpful and cheerful towards all. For a long time I have strongly felt that he is actually the ideal candidate for the responsibility of protecting quality content on Knowledge, helping young users, resolving conflicts and other administrative tasks. For all his time on Knowledge, Saravask has been a role-model for editors. He has now shown a desire to serve Knowledge in administrative responsibilities. It is with full confidence that I respectfully ask you to give him the tools to protect and defend Knowledge and its community.
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following what has been going on with them lately — the last time I made any substantive edits was back in
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1682:: I don't know if you'll thank me, Saravask, but I'll take your word for it that you would have liked to have posted links to your flaming of 172, and supply these:
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2124:Rathindranath Tagore
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1383:Hugo Chávez
1279:Sarah Ewart
1247:Kungfu Adam
1147:May. 3, '06
1096:Staxringold
1046:Yamaguchi先生
725:Computerjoe
648:Matt Yeager
456:Green Giant
199:(the scope)
173:a.n.o.n.y.m
91:Hugo Chávez
1610:Jenna Bush
1446:freakofnur
1393:freakofnur
1296:Grace Note
1153:freakofnur
1083:Gryffindor
611:Patman2648
230:Dwaipayanc
31:successful
2071:). After
1778:go for it
1539:Kimchi.sg
1378:this list
1056:, yesss.
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816:Covington
468:Kimchi.sg
341:per nom.
2188:Category
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2028:Saravask
2019:Saravask
2003:. After
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1879:WP:INWNB
1852:and the
1792:Saravask
1763:chavista
1759:chavista
1740:Saravask
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1709:Saravask
1693:Bishonen
1659:Saravask
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1267:contribs
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1028:=Nichalp
994:ßlηguγΣη
904:Davewild
771:FloNight
721:Support'
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278:Bishonen
242:Khoikhoi
124:Saravask
71:contribs
61:Saravask
47:Saravask
1907:Saffron
1867:WP:AIAV
1719:Comment
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660:Talk?
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53:Final
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951:TALK
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