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keeping these userboxes out of officially sanctioned areas which would suggest to new users that this is an official thing that one ought to be doing. There would still be restrictions on the range of possible userboxes, of course, but this is not different from the restriction on all manner of things people might put on their userpages already.
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A logical extension of Jimbo's thoughts is that the specific "place" where userboxes are collected for such an on-going eduction is irrelevant. We can still say that there is just this one little corner of the template namespace that we want all userboxes to be in. It would actually make it a whole
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Userboxes can be of a clear value to the encyclopedia-building project. Examples include those related to claiming professional or academic expertise, WikiProject affiliations, and claiming access to specialized resources and a willingness to conduct research using them upon request. Templates for
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Suppose we omit the bit about user subpages transcluded without substitution? If we do that, then a certain amount of userboxing can go on no problem, but outside the officially sanctioned spaces. This respects our long tradition of allowing wide latitude on userspace stuff, while at the same time
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is filled with what one can and cannot say, specifically, "All userbox templates that show a POV or are not directly related to wikipedia will be deleted after a period of time. Note that a user subpage that is transcluded without substitution by multiple users is considered a 'template'". This is
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The middle ground is to let people do as they will in the user space, and merely use reason and argument to teach people over time why one ought not use
Knowledge (XXG) userpages for political or other campaigns.... while at the same time saying, no, really, the template namespace is not for that,
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Without compromise and consensus, a "community" would merely be a group of individuals who sometimes happen to share the same goals. Both sides on the userbox issue act in best faith and firm belief that their viewpoint is the "right" one. Meeting in the middle, the will to compromise, is what is
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to resolve conflicts is only viable when the issues covered are perceived similary by a large majority of the participants. The userbox issue has proven to contain many entirely different viewpoints. Thus any attempt to resolve it should be simple and
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It seems that the separate namespace issue won't fly. And I think that's right because I think it fails to address the heart of the matter, which is whether or not official wikipedia pages and/or namespaces ought to encourage
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these userboxes could stay in template space. Same goes for unencyclopedic userbox templates. Controversial userbox templates could be moved to user space to avoid being constantly 'warred upon' by well-meaning admins.
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for the ruling on T1 application). This precedent would certainly require a policy proposal to be made and agreed to (via consensus) for the Simple solution to permit T1-criteria userboxes in
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But it seems that the namespace proposal goes a bit further than what you need to achieve what you want to achieve. Let me quote you on something: "The text of
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A key feature of this solution is that long-standing practice has placed most userboxes there already, so little or no migration is needed.
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