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of which I am currently looking at proposing for deletion as it is a complete work of fiction). At the other end of the scale, as described above, we have a relatively new editor whose edit count consists of a large number of welcomes to new editors – so perhaps misleading them on their knowledge of Knowledge (XXG), when a new editor might go to them for help (due to the welcome message). Based on comments here, I am coming to the conclusion that we need some sort of health warning on anything that could be construed as a measure of editor experience. Whilst measures do have value (like spotting the new editor, or realising that you are dealing with an editor with a huge amount of experience), they are only indicators. Both new editors and very experienced editors can surprise with characteristics we might not expect.
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mobile version of the site, which can be intended behavior on something like wikipedia because we want easy ways to force the mobile version for slow browsers e.g., etc.). The problem then is the copy-and-paste step -- the bare url on your browser's navbar can be the same for both mobile and desktop users if site preference (passed through "m.wikipedia.org") is preserved (which I think it is anyway? I'm not a web dev). For me this can be a minor annoyance on, say, reddit, where many links are posted to the mobile site (I like the mobile site on desktop quite a lot, but having both urls has minor inconveniences like with sorting browsing history).
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someone who spends most of their time on Knowledge (XXG) reading a broad range of existing articles and discussions is very likely going to have a much better grasp of what page curation entails than someone who has spent twice that amount of time adding sourced content to a narrow topic area. Two people who spend the same amount of time making the same number, size and type of edits to the same type of articles can be very differently suited to page curation - for example if editor A's edits are almost all accepted as good by others while editor B's are reverted and/or require extensive fixing by others. Editor B is arguably
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being recognized as offensive, so we switched to some euphemism, which in a few years become offensive to some, so we switched again. In truth, we are just avoiding how the term is used offensively, and replacing one term with another that will also come to be used offensively. That said, I do not choose this as the "great wrong" to right. I will speak up, though, against the trend I've recently seen of changing "plantation" to "forced-labor cotton farm" and similar monstrosities. Saying that slaves were just "forced laborers" is hiding or dimishing the horrors of chattel slavery.
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is very little editing of actual article content and even less of finding some sourced material and adding it to an article. So from this I conclude that the measure of edit count is misleading and that the editor in question does not really have the experience to be judging other editors' efforts. Hence the need for more better quality information. With that information available to all, it might make an editor ask themselves "am I the right person for this job?", so providing a self-policing element.
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more difficult people in this community. I suspect that many editors, whether they know it or not, have learnt most of their knowledge on Knowledge (XXG) from other editors with a substantial track record behind them. What worries me in this case is: who will a new editor go to for assistance/guidance? If they go to someone who was their new page reviewer, but that person does not have any depth of experience, that new editor is being short changed.
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user permissions can be helpful when looking at someone’s diff and to ascertain what kind of question to ask someone; but again with emphasis on being kind and effective communicators. In the past, I’ve been chided as a “new editor” when I had 500 edits by someone who was abusing their seniority status. Needless to say, they were also blocked frequently for problematic behaviours. ~ 🩝
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multitude of teams they play in. The alternative is a "list of 1890s footballers" type article, which in addition to being an arbitrary categorization, does not solve the GNG justification for the article, and is a list article, which I would argue is more difficult to maintain and generally of worse quality than a stub (especially when entries do not have main articles).
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important things than edit count, so I wouldn't have decided to display it prominently. I would probably do reasonably well on the "number of thanks" measure but that's probably just a function of the pages that I tend to edit. There's no real substitute for looking at someone's contribution history and deciding for yourself who the good editors are.
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Technicality and prose complexity are independent of whether or not something is a reference book. A Michelin's Guide is a reference book. A children's encyclopedia is a reference book. I don't see how either of the guidelines you link contradict my statement. I fully understand that the lede section
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Nobody is expected to read a Knowledge (XXG) article, or any encyclopedia article, in its entirety from front to back. It's a reference book. (Knowledge (XXG) is many more things than that, but the encyclopedic style, the piecemeal improvements, the both narrow and wide audience scope, and the nature
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As for whether it impacts something more important like commercial accessibility tools (like screen readers), I don't know. But OP's issue is an important accessibility issue as well, since as most of the emerging and young world is operating exclusively on mobile devices, we want to address their UX
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But I do find substituting "enslaved person" for "slave" grating. Now, I was trained as a linguist and fully understand that a spoken language is a living thing and constantly evolving, but I am also an old fogey and have grown weary of euphemism churning. I have lived through several cases of a term
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As linguistic practices in scholarly and other high-quality sources have just started changing enough for editors to be noticing this, this is probably an area where we need people to keep their brains turned on instead of just trying to find a simplistic rule. I think the best approach will be more
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Something to consider is whether you're talking about edits or editors. In this sample, the 32 editors in the last bucket made an average of 921.8125 edits each, while the 1797 in the lowest non-IP bucket averaged less than 2 each. If you pick a random editor who edited during the period you're more
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the edit count (as the only readily available metric) does not make clear that the editor has done very little writing of encyclopaedia content, yet they are welcoming new editors, have offered themselves (on 11 July) for multiple feedback services and are active on approval of draft articles. There
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In addition to the points made by Anomie and Chaotic Enby (with which I agree), your proposed metrics are not reliable indicators of anything relevant: a highly skilled copyeditor will have fewer character additions to their name than someone who writes long, terrible prose. Which of these two edits
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The problem with number of articles created is that an editor may be working in an area where most subjects have an article on them already. Some of these may need improvement (sometimes radical improvement), updating or simply expanding from a stub. So this measure favours those who edit in rapidly
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element, which is not rendered by default, but may be picked up accidentally by a bot (not sure for example if AWB's regexp tools default to stop at newlines, or else match "^" to newlines, but imo regexp is inherently a trial-and-error tool, and people who have been using it on WP for a while will
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What would you call such articles? In any case, how can you tell that an article has no hope of being expanded beyond a stub? At least some editors feel that stub articles that have no hope of being expanded don't belong in Knowledge (XXG) as stand-alone articles, and any useful information in them
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That's fascinating. Is there an "interesting facts about Knowledge (XXG)" place for this sort of thing to go? I've just sorted the month to date list on "edits" and put percentages on each line of the total number of edits. What that show is that if you have an interaction on a "random edit", it is
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Automating such an enquiry is beyond me, but it would be informative to see the results of a bigger sample. This snapshot suggests that there is some equality between the number of inexperienced editors (less than 1,000 edits), moderately experienced editors (1,000 to 10,000) and highly experienced
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I do wonder (partly in jest) if the best measure of an editor is the number of times that they have been thanked as a proportion of their total number of edits. In reality, this might be a function of the other editors that they interact with. More seriously, all of these methods of assessments are
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That's one of the points that I am trying to make: that measures of editor experience can mislead. I have in mind an argumentative editor who questioned my edits (to "their" articles, of course) based on the fact that I have only created x number of articles (whilst they have created very many, one
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In the example given, the editor in question apparently does not read the articles too closely – I have no idea what they are doing, but tagging a short article that says when some died (20 years ago, at a good age) with a BLP warning suggests a superficial approach, as does immediately sticking an
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missed one?). It seems hard to get an opinion on how much of an editor's work is in writing new encyclopaedia content of articles – which is the job we are here to do (yes, just like, e.g., a car manufacturer being all about building cars, we do need a lot of support functions to achieve that job).
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that, while not formally closed, basically came to the conclusion that both "slave" and "enslaved person" are acceptable ("slave" is not "outdated language") but that one might be preferable to the other depending on the specific context. In such situations it is almost always a bad idea to change
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But thinking of interactions, that doesn't seem to be my experience. (Latest interaction is reverting some terminology put in by an editor with 261 edits, being reverted, then having to explain on the talk page that the article's source is not an RS and list three high quality sources that support
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I think it’s helpful to know whether someone is a ] when giving them feedback on potentially problematic edits. But when people are able to communicate adequately, none of the metrics about previous edit count, areas of expertise concern me. I can be convinced that having certain about edit count,
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I thought the brief analogy (above) with a car factory was clear – sticking with that analogy, yes the main task may be building cars, but you still need accountants, cleaners, a marketing department, etc., etc. So I am well aware that Knowledge (XXG) would not function without lots of tasks other
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The thing about the number of edits is you have to remember how few edits is normal. Of the registered editors who edited at all last year (calendar year 2023), half of them had five or fewer edits. Not "five in 2023", but five total, for the whole lifetime of the account. Someone who has just
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I don't think that any automatically-generated process can give any meaningful measure beyond knowing that an editor with only a few edits probably hasn't read all the policies and guidelines that old-timers have. I don't use a smartphone to edit Knowledge (XXG), but know that there are many more
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From my experience (and I am talking about positive experiences) the most helpful of editors are those who have added a lot of encyclopaedia content. I attribute that to their understanding of some of the problems in sourcing and explaining an article, and also in how to interact with some of the
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Is there a better way of assessing an editor's experience? This is something one might (should?) do before interacting with another editor. (And also something to apply to oneself, now and again.) At present we have (1) edit counts and (2) number of articles created (3) date of first edit (have I
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A basic question, what OP asks, is what to do about historical biographies? For the example footballer above, I suppose you could make articles for each team he played in for each few seasons that include biographies of all footballers, but then you'd be duplicating all those biographies for the
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What is it about extensive writing of article content that makes someone uniquely qualified to welcome other editors, offer feedback on articles or determine the quality of a draft? In the passage you quote, "experienced" means "is familiar with Knowledge (XXG)'s policies, guidelines and norms",
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It seems to me that the root problem you're identifying is that when people in mobile browsers copy-and-paste their url from (some) mobile sites, they get the mobile version of the url, which they then post to some permanent outside forum (and then a desktop user clicks, which takes them to the
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Agree with Anomie, especially since "experience" doesn't really translate linearly, someone could be very experienced at writing content but not familiar with "backend" or administrative tasks. Or someone could be very good at writing templates and maintaining code. Or doing mostly WikiGnoming.
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to its current form. Articles can sometimes become so large and complex, they exceed the average audience's time and interest. This is not to say the current article should be trimmed or split, it presumably does a good job. But it's very long and specialist. For example one sentence has:
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user right (which gives access to the Page Curation tools) is only granted by administrators, most often at first for a short trial, so there is already every opportunity to check if the user has the experience needed.One does not simply walk in and start patrolling new pages.
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experienced because they will likely have been directed to read more policies and guidelines and had more talk page interaction regarding their editing than editor A (whose talk page may consist only of a welcome message). There is no simple metric that can capture this.
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Large numbers of edits that welcome new users make a correspondingly large increase in the edit count of a user. These are not edits that increase an editor's knowledge of Knowledge (XXG). This is something that devalues edit count as a useful measure of experience.
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There are also qualitative differences in edits by volume. The 5th edit is more likely to be adding content than the 50,000th edit. High-volume editors tend to be doing semi-automated edits – a Twinkle tag here, an AWB run there, a reference formatting script...
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Date of first edit has some use, but there are still editors who started years ago who seem to be unaware of some of the basics, and quite new editors who seem to have got a real good grip of how everything works and produce quality article content.
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So why don’t we have a bot, that sweeps edits for en.m.wikipedia links, and changes them to en.wikipedia? I’m not a coding guy, so I couldn’t build this myself, so I’m bringing it to the Idea Lab, if anyone likes the look, and fancies having a go.
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I don't think that (non-RFC) discussion needs a formal closing statement. We probably need to have multiple conversations like that, until more editors become familiar with the subject matter. A formal summary tends to discourage future
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should be merged into a higher level article. So, search for reliable sources on the topic; if you cannot find anything useful, explore merging the article into a more inclusive article, convert it to a redirect, or take it to AfD.
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Though none of the bullet points may be changed without a strong consensus, there are obviously gaps to fill (the templates, for example, are a new addition and need refinement) and sentences to be made clearer and more concise.
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Do note that on some devices (e.g. my smartphone), an editor's edit count is prominently displayed when looking at an edit, whilst it is not on the computer that I am using now. I think we need to take this into account.
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In particular, "both are acceptable" summaries tend to get misused this way: "The rules say that both are acceptable, so my preference is acceptable, and so the rules say we have to do it my way (and never, ever your
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When looking at diffs, it's a pain to scroll through a paragraph taller than my screen to find the one changed word (or comma), not to mention the similarly long paragraphs shown before and after it for context.
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These aren't exactly euphemisms, but I wonder sometimes whether the idea is to grab attention, in the way that an annoying advertisement for used cars is grating but effective at communicating the basic content.
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I feel this would give a more useful view of an editor's activity. What is important is that this should be easily visible to anyone (without needing knowledge of some little used method of getting this data).
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Yes, one could say that only the first one is "pure" editing, but this doesn't mean they're inherently the only one doing valuable work, or that they should be higher in some kind of hierarchy of experience.
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It's fine to put linebreaks inside templates, such as the citation template. If one is really concerned about losing something in the underlying html, then one can enclose a linebreak within an html comment
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that pretty much contradict that. That said, I don't see GreenC's concerns; the lede exists for a reason, and I don't see the problem with the quoted passage, especially with all of the links omitted.
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I would urge editors to insert single line breaks – which are invisible on the page – between sentences, especially after complex refs. Or at least not to go out of your way to remove such breaks!
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One option is to feed it to ChapGPT and ask for a summary in the style of a museum brochure ie. for a "general audience", which is what I thought Knowledge (XXG) is supposed to be anyway. There is
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offending people. We want people who read that article to be thinking about the historical subject. We don't want them thinking about whether Knowledge (XXG) uses outdated or offensive language.
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Page Curation is a suite of tools developed between March and September 2012 by the Wikimedia Foundation, and greatly improved in 2018 in collaboration with the Knowledge (XXG) community, to help
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That's an interesting viewpoint. Doing a very small sample of all recent edits in Knowledge (XXG) (just 20 – we would need a higher level of automation to get past my patience level), we get:
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Sports biographies have been a particular problem on Knowledge (XXG) where editors mass create them in the hundreds or thousands despite being asked to stop. It got to the point that a
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Running the query for the first half of September, the number of editors in the lower buckets increases much more, while the number of edits in the higher buckets increases much more.
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In searching for a useful set of measures, I suggest something that looks at activity in main namespace (i.e. encyclopaedia content). This could be, as a single group of information:
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There's no perfect method, of course, but it combines enough information that I find it genuinely helpful. The namespace breakdown pie chart can be particularly illuminating. YMMV.
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Automating it is not beyond me. 😀 Caveats: I can't get edit counts for IP edits, and I have to bucket by total current edit count rather than edit count at the time of the edit.
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Automating is also beyond me, but I have patience enough to look at the edits for the most recent 100 registered editors making non-bot edits (from 10:13 UTC 15 September 2024).
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See, the issue is that shortcut isn't memorable, so how can I possibly make the same point as this essay two weeks from now if I can't remember what letters to link the guy?
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The thoughts here are all about determining what is an "experienced editor" – hopefully with that largely being self-policing if the right info is available.
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likely to get someone in the lower buckets than if you pick a random edit during the period. It gets more pronounced if we look at a longer time period:
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the preferred language.) I suppose that says that the more experienced editors do work that does not really need any attention from the likes of me.
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Changing other people's comments is probably a non-starter. That is guaranteed to upset people (e.g. see IndentBot's BRFA). Plus, CONTEXTBOT.
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apply, you'd do better to advocate for both to be merged to an article on the investigation, as suggested in some of the early comments on
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sound like "It's more important for this article to match the others than to avoid language that I've been told is potentially offensive".
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is in the top 1% of all time. We tend to think "Oh, three thousand edits – practically a baby", but almost nobody reaches that level.
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The terminology section itself describes the naming as "dispute". I thought the (slave) disambiguator would be a better choice due to
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I thought your point was that articles aren't supposed to be unspecific and untechnical. I think we actually agree on this thing.
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I guess it's just my tiny little seed. It will add that very little tiny bit. They will all add up and get us there eventually.
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This isn't a perfect match for VPI, but it's not concrete enough for VPPROP and isn't a policy proper yet, so can't be on VPP.
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Conversely, if it "will pretty much always be a stub" then widespread coverage in reliable sources is lacking. Our guideline,
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My first thought is to back up a step and ask why you think we need a measure of editor "experience" in the first place?
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Given recent news regarding an investigation into the promotion of Russian propaganda by right-wing media outlets (see
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is a place where new ideas or suggestions on general Knowledge (XXG) issues can be incubated, for later submission for
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Second, only Angela's page was moved. I can easily find other pages still using the (slave) disambiguator, including
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lots of short edits because the editor does not prepare a considered piece, check it with a preview, and then add it.
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This isn’t a notability issue. A short article does not make it a deletion-worthy one. I’m saying we should remove
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any sports biography like this that you see where it doesn't have any significant coverage in its listed sources.
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Respectfully, I don't think we need more metrics and ratings and hierarchies of editors. I'll also note that the
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recently. I have no idea how meaningful its results are, but it certainly appears better than just edit count.
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will very very very very very likely never be expanded to the 1500 character threshhold. It's stub category (
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I feel like I've been left behind, forgotten, invisible. I made a post then it got removed. See the page
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with the summary "can't make any sense of this post, unfortunately.", an assessment with which I agree.
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get complaints about "enslaved person" being offensive, so I think we can reasonable predict that we
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That's a good point. A few others raised the issue of the name, but just cited personal preference.
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I would concur it's worth considering a habit of single linebreaks following elaborate citations.
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Should we put stub templates on articles that will never be able to be expanded to a start-class?
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determined that sports biographies without significant coverage should be deleted. Feel free to
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Ok, great advice; and so again, what would you do about my example, taking OP's example, above?
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Wondering whether someone already had this idea? Search the archives below, and look through
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Accept that you failed at this time to make your case for deletion. If you really think that
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The html for a single line break in plain wikitext appears as a newline character within a
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Certainly not without discussion. It's clear that the title is not uncontroversial so a
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is aimed to be read as a cohesive narrative whole... which is why I specified that an
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I wouldn't want to converse anyone unnecessarily, but can't bots detect a blank line?
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obvious in, say, five years. For now, we just need to avoid carving a rule in stone.
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And that's no reason to think that you're a better or worse editor than anyone else.
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get complaints about "slave" being offensive, so we can reasonably predict that we
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The only other pages I could find using the (enslaved man/woman) disambiguator are
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Knowledge (XXG):Perennial proposals#Community-based process for removing adminship
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than "pure" editing. What I find a problem is that in the example I gave above,
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Discussions are automatically archived after remaining inactive for two weeks.
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The month to date table also shows that 9% of the editors do 75% of the work.
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As it happens, there's already an essay advocating for this exact practice:
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most likely with an editor in the 10,000 to 100,000 band (23% of all edits).
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needs to be initiated to determine consensus before any title is changed.
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I believe stubs should only be added to articles that can see expansion.
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I don't think we need more metrics and ratings and hierarchies of editors
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So should the other pages with “(slave)” is the title should be moved?
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is a better version that checks if you're using a desktop browser.
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is what should generally not be expected to be read front-to-back.
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would also be suitable repositories for this kind of information.
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Should (enslaved man/woman) replace (slave) as a disambiguator?
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I would just delete it as it seems like indiscriminate trivia.
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If an article is notable, it shouldn't possibly remain a stub.
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That will converse the bots as to where the paragraph ends.
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that sufficient sources exist for that article to counter
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This is a practice request rather than a feature request.
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from articles that will pretty much always be a stub.
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changing subjects where new topics arise frequently.
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get complaints about offensiveness if we choose the
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