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people who do object, however, to such things as listing oneself in a category of a given religion or nationality or computer equipment user or game fan, and they are forcing their preferences upon the community by dominating an obscure process. the immediate remedy is to call attention to it like this, and for many more people to go there. The way to get them there is a bot notifying everyone in the category. But the people who hang out there have steadfastly opposed it and still continue to oppose this. Not involving user in questions about their own user page content is in my opinion very close to paternalism. I dont think these categories are used for unfair lobbying. those who seem to worry about must be basing their concerns over very exceptional examples. If a less aggressive attitude had been taken to removing what is important to others, w might not be having this discussion. Black Falcon & I have discussed this a few times--I am fully convinced that he means the best here, but we continue to disagree radically on the use of this process.

1142:? They're horribly obtrusive, in many cases convey the opinion of the editor who has deigned to "drive-by tag" the article more than any measure to which they reflect consensus and are next to useless for the reader. That information on Knowledge (XXG) ought to be cross-referenced and taken with a grain of salt (much like any other source) is a fact unknown to virtually no regular browser of the site, and at any rate is a notion that would be much better conveyed with a small universal disclaimer rather than with humongous, descending, colorful, graphic-laden monstrosities of a template, equivalent in all respects to the much-deprecated "Under contruction!!" notice notoriously plaguing novice websites. 3883:. Although rollback is, through Twinkle et cetera, available to all registered users, it's an obvious general pattern that only those who know a little bit about what they're doing will install it and use the extra power it provides. I think that that's the best way of restricting the rollback function: although it is not "really" restricted from people, only those who have been around long enough to know its ramifications will use the one-click ease. In the meantime, the undo functionality, which achieves effectively the same result for vandalism only one level deep (multiple levels of vandalism require a manual revert), is available to everyone. I think the system's fine as is. 3826:

already. Few vandals know how, or have the time, to revert vandal-fighters' efforts, and if rollback is simply a feature that becomes available to registered users four days after signing up, what's the hassle? Are there any other reasons that rollback is withheld from editors? For those who say that general editors can use Twinklefluff instead, it is much slower than rollback, and uses a lot more bandwidth loading the page (albeit behind the scenes). Even one-click undo would do, but please, show some respect for Knowledge (XXG)'s hard-working vandal-fighters, instead of making them perform seven-click reverts (history, select, edit, save, back, back, back) when they

1149:, I must note that the assertion " like a sausage: you might like the taste of it, but you don't necessarily want to see how it's made" applies to exactly this sort of case. I suggest that Templates like these should be relocated to their respective discussion pages, and anticipating that this might very probably have already been suggested and rejected, would at least like a link to the obligatory behemoth discussion that took place so I can understand the rationale behind things being the way they are now. -- 3705:

problem if done neutrally. People affected by a decision ought to know it's being made. That would tend to counteract the undue weight of the gnome overlords, who when they establish consensus tend disregard the fact that only 3-5 people may be voting on a proposal, yet 500+ may have voted with their "save page" button out in article space. Still, I'm not sure how such a notification system could work. 7) I've seen enough bad results to agree that there may be a problem. See the current AN/I discussion on

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administrators, who participate in CFD seem to be self-selected. As with many policy issues this leaves the decisions in the hand of the very few people who spend a lot of time on meta-issues, and they can be persnickety with a vengeance. It's a bit of tyranny of the wikignomes. 3) Agreed that CFD is esoteric and relatively trivial piece of Knowledge (XXG). I'm not even sure categories are doing any good at all. Maybe it's the whole

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wording relatively short here. My concern was only that no one is currently informed of deletion debates. As long as people are informed, then problem solved -- and informing people isn't canvassing. So back to the original proposal: next to the transcluded category links at the bottoms of people's user pages, there should be a notice/link that the category is up for deletion. Otherwise people just don't know that it's going on. And

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other featured content, which I think should be highlighted more anyway. This system could be bureaucracy free, content could be automatically rotated in based upon the date it attained featured status on a daily/weekly/monthly basis, whatever is appropriate (for instance there are fewer featured topics so maybe monthly for those), which would require very little time/editors to monitor. My two cents have been tossed, thoughts?

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unless they were actively trying to look something up on that topic. It would be wasteful to consume space on the already crowded main-page to attempt to summarize a list of county names, regardless of how well the list is written and sourced. And it would be sad if other main page content was reduced in size to accommodate such an attempt.

3670:. Fourth, deletion on the basis of precedent simply means deletion per arguments that were previously stated and discussed; it's no different than simply copy-pasting an argument from an old discussion. Fifth, while I agree that the speedy deletion of 'Category:Users Who Are Anti-High School Musical' was out-of-process (it was a 3840:

Except that rollback deletes the edits from history, which ALSO deletes the edits from the vandals contribs list. It would become impossible to detect long-term vandals if we lost their contributions. The same database is parsed for both the page history and user contributions pages, and if we lose

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This page is getting a little out-of-hand. There's been just a select few editors who've been paying attention to this page and I don't think the community at large is being represented there at all. Categories are getting deleted by the truckload, some purely on the grounds of "precedent". Here's an

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I also meant to add: even if there's no real "passers-by" effect (and evidently, there is at least some), it's certainly fairly likely to spur regular contributors to that article into taking some sort of action, if the template is sufficiently conspicuous as to make them actively want to remove it.

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is trying to out-shout other templates, and feels it "needs" to be so visible because of its history as a supposedly short-term "am editing this Right Now, please avoid edit conflicts", but it's since had some wording drift, and of course tends to persist longer on articles than makes any sense. The

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I think there is no reason that general editors cannot receive rollback access. If there's an issue about vandals being able to revert as fast as administrators, why? Just block 'em and move along. If there's an issue about vandals being able to revert as fast as general editors, why? They can do so

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An interesting premise, and my initial reaction was "cool, sign me up." However, as Jayron32 pointed out, it seems like if editors wanted to do that on their own, they already could be so would there really be any interest? How often do editors use the Random Article and clean up categories to work

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system that needs reform, not CFD. Are categories (except those there for admin / maintenance purposes) really doing anyone any good? 4) Yes, precedent has an interesting role in deletion decisions. 5) no comment 6) Notifying people of a pending vote is okay in this sense, and is not a canvassing

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The daily email updates, while interesting, have topics that vary widely and appear to have no theme or perspective. I think you could get more mileage out of the knowledge sharing by relating subjects. I also think this would make for more traffic to the site because of interest generated by the

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Another issue I can see, is dealing with the issues of what is an improvement and which editors should participate. Lord knows, I have several articles I'm trying to improve and when dealing with rabid fans, it can be a very long drawn out battle when trying to actually improve an articles quality

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Articles have talk pages for suggesting improvement or the removal of errors IF it is not possible for the critic to simply make the changes themselves. While done in good faith, I find the litter of commnets often pasted on pages in parenthesis rather bad preentation for wikipeida, not to mention

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defend these categories a fighting chance to do so. We need to find another way of notifying them that a category to which they belong is being discussed for possible deletion. For TfD, we include the nomination notice right inside the transcluded template. That seems to work and bring people into

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Featured lists has twice as many lists as there were featured articles when they began daily with their won dedicated space. They are also producing twice as many per month. I.e., There are over 400 lists and about 40 new ones per month. I see no reason why lists should share space with featured

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I use wikipedia far more than I make changes. I'd like to see a compromise between the above two viewpoints where the "cleanup" templates are made quieter: smaller, no box, no color, no icon. With only a little exposure I can know that wikipedia is a work in progress and that some pages are better

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in principle, though there is a problem of the 400 current FL's being very heavily weighted towards sports and political lists. That is only natural, given that these topics lend themselves quite well to lists. Ultimately, however, the point of the main page is to feature Knowledge (XXG)'s best

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I don't think this is a good idea. I strongly believe that while high quality lists are an essential reference tool, they don't have the same general interest as an article. I would propose that very, very few readers would be interested in reading a list of the counties in the state of Kentucky

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There aren't 20,000 editors that are that active. There are maybe an order of magnitude less than that (2000 is probably a good number for the most active group of editors). Also, the "Random Article" button and the categories like Category:Cleanup by month and the like serve this purpose quite

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community about what the rules ought to be for what is acceptable. I do not myself use these categories, except to make sure I am on a few lists relevant to WP activities. But I havent the least objection to what other people do, as long as it isnt obnoxious or divisive. There seem to be a few

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To me, the best way to handle this is to have an additional "Featured content" box on the Main Page, within it, featured sound, list, topic, whatever. Perhaps, nothing more than a link to the content is required, but this would do the job of "getting the word out" about some of Knowledge (XXG)'s

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Whether as user or editor, I find the whole lot of "IN YOUR FACE" templates to be obnoxious and in poor taste—and worse, unprofessional. To me, they are self-inflicted wounds that could be replaced by a modest 2 line tall notice. I don't buy the idea that such tags encourage someone to become an

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Admin rollback is actually faster than any other kind of rollback, but even so, I cannot see why non admins would want/need it. There's plenty of alternatives, but rollback should really be used sparingly - it's not like it always catches every bit of vandalism on the page, it isn't that great.

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Multiple references to the same source can be made in the same note (marked as a, b c…), but when you refer to different pages in the same source, it is not so convenient. One solution is to write “Ibid., No 1, p. 50.” The problem, however, is that if you add text with a footnote above the note

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I don't know if this has been discussed, but I know that I am against such a measure. There are two reasons why these templates should remain in article space: first, we like to encourage new editors, so it serves us well to give new editors a place to start, and second, it is important that a

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I myself don't particularly care to make an argument here about whether or not user categories are useful. That said, I agree with Wikidemo's assessment and wording. I don't always consider each of my words as completely as would be required in order to argue with Black Falcon. So I'll keep my

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The reason no one shows up to these debates is because no one knows about them, save of course the people who are always paying attention at CfD. The people who are in the categories don't even know about them, because the template that announces the nomination is only visible when viewing the

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already being deployed on said Dava Sobel article! You're right about the stub type, though; there's an additional "]" consideration for those (keeping stub categories above a certain "critical mass" (as well as trying to keep them below "ZOMFG" levels)), but it seems a good idea to me, and

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Would it be practical to maintain a long-term operation with the duration of about a year? The idea is that we create a robot to which any editors can sign up to to receive the title of an article they can improve, fix, and maintain. After four days or after the user signified that they were

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Admin rollback is only slightly faster than Twinkle rollback and does not have any of the options that Twinkle does. With Twinkle though, if people abuse it, it can be removed from their JS file by an admin. If regular users got admin rollback, the only way to stop abuse would be blocking.

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I believe Equazcion is a political prisoner right now for speaking out against some admins, so I'll offer a quick response: 1) It is just a few editors, whether or not they are "select". Most people don't participate and don't even know it's happening. 2) The few editors, and even fewer

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SuggestBot is very useful, but in some respects it does not serve a very wide range of editors; only a small number of users know about it. Also of concern is the fact that it doesn't list extremely obscure articles since they simply don't rank high enough. My idea is to ensure that

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This is a geek complaint (<geek mode="on") about Knowledge (XXG) aim... Knowledge (XXG) will never finish because it has no space to do it !!!. As you can see logo has no space to complete... You should move a little down so there will be enough space to complete puzzle :)

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versus letting the fans do what they want. Going a year long with an increasing number of battles over such issues would be a good way to burn out some great editors. And, of course, how to ensure the editors that participate have any clue about how to improve an article?

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I does not seem that the pages you listed are actively worked on heavily by a wide variety of users; my proposal would be a kind of article-on-editor principle. There's no hurry, though, and I would be happy to bring this issue up later on a page of its own. Cheers. —

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reader knows that what they are reading is not the best of Knowledge (XXG). Someone might be very turned off from Knowledge (XXG) if the first article they read is full of grammatical mistakes and POV and they don't know that we realize that fact and want to fix it. —

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for some existing ones. Verbal pronunciations are more meant for Wiktionary than Knowledge (XXG), since dictionaries are all about words and their pronunciation/definitions, but there's no harm in linking to audio files in more difficult-to-pronounce articles, e.g.

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At the current promotion rate, you'll have enough featured lists for 64 months. Does that mean you'll need a featured list director - after all, isn't that the system we're most familiar with? The current proposal seems needlessly bureaucratic - why do you need to

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Don't see what the problem is. The alternative is just to delete the tagged comments, with the tags it can act as a prompt to whoever posted the information to provide credible citations to back up their claims and as a warning to other users to treat with caution.

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assumes the simplest possible selection process (chronological, similar to Today's Featured Picture), and asks not how a Featured List should appear on the main page, but whether or not Featured Lists should be on the main page in the first place. Please visit

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I think that having a featured list on the main page is worthwhile. I agree that having excerpts of the list would be odd, as many have said, and world therefore endorse that only the introduction would be needed on the main page. It would look something like

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I don’t know whether there are better solutions available. If not, I would suggest that somebody with appropriate skills should produce a method of making multiple references to the same source and different pages. It could look like this: “1. Kirk, Russell:

2791:- the focus is not on the prose as much as it is on the list. At the same time, putting an excerpt from the list is like trying to summarize a novel by reading a couple chapters - it just doesn't work right. This proposal should really be merged into the 1351:. But I don't really care if it was deleted: I was that much younger and sillier then. This does not mean that BJ... should've been retained because then another user would not have been attracted or such. Of course, we're building an encyclopedia. ~ 2429:). The idea being, get consensus here for inclusion of lists, then go back there and say "okay we have consensus on this now how do we do it." Meh. Maybe twasn't a good idea, but seems to me that that proposal has no chance at any kind of consensus. 1229:

editor. An "editor mentality" will spot and error and fix the typo or grammar without a tag. There are a lot of reasons to quiet them down and make an understated message, not least that they half blast me off the chair when viewing said page.

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closure), that's something to raise with the deleting admin. One or two premature closures does not mean the process is flawed. Sixth, selectively reaching out to those who we suspect support a particular position ("give the people who we know

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My intention wasn't to be "inappropriate," it seemed that consensus on a List of the day procedure is useless without actual community consensus on List inclusion on the Main Page, which has been brought up several times to no avail: (see,

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Hi I think, we should also figure out a way how best offer Videopedia to Knowledge (XXG) and how we can start allowing the contributors to add authentic video clips. Ofcourse it would be nice something like YouTube links to start with...

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It's certainly true that many of these "cleanup categories" have fairly dedicated "locals", for whom it wouldn't matter at all if there were no (visible) template at all, as they'll be "consumed" by those editors regardless (a minority

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I don't like the idea of making it easier for general editors to revert content. For some editors, most of their contributions are reverts of others' contributions. Making it easier to revert makes it easier for the revert warriors to

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The point is that people need to be informed; people who might care that their category is up for deletion. If people don't want to participate that's fine, but right now no one is even informed that a debate is going on.

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I was under the impressions that the point of bringing the discussion here was to see if the community at large is in favor of it, since such a discussion on that talk page would garner attention from too focused a crowd.

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No it doesn't. Its a simple revert. There are tools out there to emulate the admin rollback function. Rollback isn't given to everyone because we don't want to disseminate the idea that reverting is usually a good idea.

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If it was one or two pages, I'd assume an error and correct it. However, it appears to be an across-the-board "standard", hence my question. I don't know if a community decision was made on this or it just happened.

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compression, and it is limited to the 100 last revisions while I need a complete revision history. The WhodunitQuery is nice but limited to Microsoft Windows. So I still recommend my initial proposal be implemented.

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PS - if this is too earth-shattering a change please don't hate on me. My initial proposal was to immediately de-sysop all administrators, but in researching the matter I got sidetracked into a smaller-scale issue.

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to the list of templates that need to be placed on user talk pages of blocked users, say in the "see also" list at the "...&action=success" stage? It would be a very helpful link to admins with poor memories :)

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to do the job but that would burden the server and only help those who have the script. I think it would be better, if the version history page contained a prominent link to download the entire version history as

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Well yes, but Knowledge (XXG) will never be completed. It shall forever be work in progress, because as things change, and new topics emerge, there will always be something to write. Remember, our goal is an

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category page -- and what are the chances that the 5-day debate period is when these people are going to decide to look at any of their category's pages, let alone the particular one that's getting deleted?

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I've added a link to that page (jumping to the block-message section, but of course the page can be scrolled to see other sections) to the block message, on the same line as the link to the autoblock tool.

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I concur with this and add that a clear separator plus a healthy amount of space between the templates and the article would also be a good idea, both aesthetically and functionally. i.e. something like

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Reading a list is less interesting than reading a list, but more importantly, including excerpts of lists on the Main Page would be unattractive and fill a disproportionately large amount of space.

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Well if they call enough 'votes' eventually everyone but the vocal minority with get distracted by bigger or better things, and one of the votes will finaly pass. They will call this a consensus.

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First of all, it's not "just a few select editors". The composition of UCFD participants varies over time, with many having come and gone. Second, there is nothing "select" about the group (see

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That's why this discussion is here, because the voting is unnecessary, and frankly detracts from determining whether or not consensus exists for lists to appear on the Main Page in any form.

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I think it would be interesting to see a daily suggestion for an good list to look at. An abridged list for the main page, with a link to the rest, as is done for the featured article now.

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an editor. (I suspect a lot of that's supposition rather than anything backed up with in-depth research or cognitive insight, but I don't doubt it's deeply felt in good faith.) I suspect

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Merriam-Webster's pronunciations are great, but free alternatives would be preferred. Anyone can record a pronunciation of a word and add it to an article, so long as it's accurate. See

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the discussion. Is there a way we can include a small notice next to the actual category links at the bottoms of pages, so people can actually see that a category has been nominated?

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I've been wondering, why are all the "page might not be neutral", "page needs cleanup", "page might be compromised by weasel words", "page lacks sufficient cowbell" templates in

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than others, and that I can edit nearly every page. The only time I care about the box is if I happen to be editing the page anyway and it suggests something I can actually do.

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distracting, it also has some weird effect on my cursor every time I try to edit a page. Most annoying. Suggest a static display instead. Matt 10:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC).

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I like the look of a search box; not that the search is a particularly great one, but still better than nothing, and the help pages are pretty difficult to find sometimes.

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I would like to propose the following to be added to the tutorial section. I have linked couple of pages from Knowledge (XXG) to their relative pronunciations from

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Much of the debate on that talk page seems to center around not implementation details, but whether a Feature List of the Day is fundamentally a good idea.

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content. They should get 7 days a week for lists. Other content could vie for separate sections when they are ready, which they are not at this time.--

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referred to, the latter is no longer note No 1 and you have to change all such references. This requires careful attention and is quite inconvenient.

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I propose that the jerky donation message ticker that has recently started appearing on every single Knowledge (XXG) page be removed. Not only is it

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work. That is why we show a featured article and picture every day. The best new articles appear at DYK. Why not a Featured List section as well?

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tag somewhere. I thought "I can do that", and did. Prior to that I'd only added a couple of external links to a few pages. Soon after, I received a

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Answered your own question. Look at browser usage stats to see why any CSS3 declarations are a bit pointless for anything but user space content.

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is probably the worst of the lot, and the least needful to be a big box. A simple statement that the page is a work in progress is sufficient. //

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files, as I'm not sure if those are free. Furthermore, they are very easily replaceable, given a computer microphone and decent audio software.

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I'm thinking, how does one decide on the length of the excerpt, and the items to be included in it, and where to draw the dividing line between

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that the group may also "also reorganize messy articles and re-classify wrongly-classified articles". Please contribute to the discussions at

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A static version's now been implemented and is the default, due to the large number of complaints about the scrolling version; you need to

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criteria that weren't honored here. If a better cross-section of the community had been paying attention here -- say, the people actually

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I just made a proposal about the archiving system we use here, but because it's a proposal about this page I made in in the talk section,

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last point could be dealt with fairly easily by automated removal, though it doesn't look like a large-scale problem at this instant.

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I should probably note I don't feel strongly one way or another about this, but I think the community should have a chance to decide.

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Why can't we put a "reply" link on talk page section headers? That would make it easier to reply, instead of having to section edit.

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I think UCfD is a total disaster, but I am not sure what can really be done about it, except for a general policy decision by the

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finished, the robot would give them another page to improve, and mark the old one off its list if the editor had worked on it.

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wholeheartedly. However, some of the FLs (esp. older ones) may need improvements as pointed out on the previous discussion at

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we now have this discussion going in 3 different places. JUst talking about this is turning into a bureaucratic nightmare.

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are the main units of measure, unless there are compelling historical or pragmatic reasons not to use them (for example,

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for the same thing. its really confusing when you have very similar things being proposed in 2 places at the same time.

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Furthermore, does it seem inappropriate to anyone else to start this discussion while the proposal is still pending?

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is an historical page. Reserving colors is not practical. This infobox, for example, allows a system of coloration:

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As for using excerpts, we can use prose. Or graphs. We don't need to display only the first 3 rows of the lists. --

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Seems like you are asking a general knowledge question, in which case it is probably more appropriate at the

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If a female actor is an actress, and a female waiter is a waitress, shouldn't a female writer be a writress?

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Here's a test: if you're looking for "Presidents of the United States", the most likely page you'll need is

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Both August and September were over 40 and the queue for October would indicate it will exceed 30 as well.--

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Why is this discussion happening in two separate places? This seems unnecessary. There is a discussion at

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I'm not saying I'm for the category being kept, but precedent is pretty weak reasoning, and CSD is its

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Why can't we have rounded corners for the tabs, navigation, et cetera? However, this wouldn't work in

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Finding the relative pronunciation however could be a dunning task. Here is a idea if you use Google:

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I'd include a search box in the help summary, but it has been immediately reverted. My proposition is

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For those who are unaware there is currently a discussion underway about a voting system involving a

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which has the most seats but is not part of the Government. The leader is elected by the Opposition

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Should a female footballer be called a footballeress or a female swimmer, a swimmeress etc? I think

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Note that webkit and moz use different names for the same corner properties in some cases, and has

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I hope you read these lines with humour and, if you agree, move 5/10 pixels your logo down... :)

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This is a request for a new feature in the MediaWiki software. On the article history page like

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The result of the debate was Speedy Deleted per precedent of anti-XXX categories and userboxes."

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LOL; It is actually vitally important that we prevent Knowledge (XXG) from obtaining space..

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What's it a test of? I don't think anyone would deny that lists are usefull reference tools.

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how about someone make a mockup of what the main page woulf look like, then we can vote in.

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dies, resigns or is challenged for the leadership. The Current Leader of the Opposition is

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Suggestion: Daily Email Updates - Group Subjects so that emails relate based on some theme

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That's why I started watchlisting categories I care about. Deletionists are all over CfD.

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in principle as well. Would like to see a selection system free of bureaucracy however. -

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I oppose this, just putting the intro to the list defeats the purpose of the featured

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If not that, something has to be done, because at present this system is flawed.

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I'm working on something like that to deal with the cleanup backlog right now. --

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would probably be the most useful. It gives all the warning and block templates.

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on adding literary works and films to the list of items that can be deleted per

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you want to do this. If you're searching for specific text, for example, then

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is already helpful, but it is wasteful of bandwidth as it does not apply RCS

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I have to click a thousand times if I want to download all versions so I can

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I would guess the reference is to the weasel-word and citation-needed stuff.

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I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary. Can you quote what you mean? -

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the category -- then maybe there would've been an actual process at work.

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unlikely to go too far wrong on those grounds; you could bring that up at

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Wikipedia_Users.27_Alliance

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The average FL promotion rate for 2007 to date is 24.1 lists per month.

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What makes you think that they are not free? Am I missing something?

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was Opposition Leader until he was defeated in a leadership ballot on

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Wikinospacepv3.gif logo

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on that topic. This will usually be SI, but not always. For example,

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themes. "Knowledge News" is a good example of this type of format.

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Aha. Yes, I see it now. Thanks. Matt 13:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC).

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randomly pick a picture that hasn't been featured yet. Similarly at

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The section on choosing measurement systems has been changed from:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Pedophilia&action=history

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Knowledge (XXG):List of infoboxes/Proposed/Infobox window covering

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User talk:Gp75motorsports/Wikipedia Users' Alliance/CVU-WUA debate

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The heading says it all, really - could someone add a link from

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Link from Special:Blockip to list of warning/blocking templates?

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However, I'm using IE7 at the moment so I can't test the code.

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Does this idea sound worth it (if it started early in 2008)? —

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and the like if you have a future browser that supports CSS3.

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Anyway, the current question is, can we make the 3 checkboxes

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In scientific articles, use the units employed in the current

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Doesn't this group already exist? Isn't called "wikipedia"???

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Oppose and unsure why this is being done as if it were a poll

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I know I started regularly editing 2+ years ago because of a

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a new thread or use the talk page associated with that topic.

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I have rebooted and rewritten the old proposal to allow for

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Thank you for the pointers to tools I hadn't known before.

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This page contains discussions that have been archived from

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I've noticed that the biographies of science writers (e.g.

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Chicago 1986, Regnery. a) p. 5. b) p. 114. c) p. 478.” --

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I would think that depends on the size of the excerpt...

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Multiple references to the same source, different pages

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Please, join us at one of the linked discussions. :) --

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I agree how many places is this going to be discussed.

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And I've just discovered there's a third location, at

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Stop the practise of edit comments within main article

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Incidentally, I just uploaded a screenshot (at right)

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commands. Any volunteer implementors reading here?

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which includes examples of what it could look like.

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If, say, 20,000 editors participated, and worked on

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There's no enough space to complete Knowledge (XXG)

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