Knowledge (XXG):Village pump (proposals)/Archive 206

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Anything that (even indirectly) can call attention to the detritus they left behind and ties it into the network of the remaining active users is good; basically, when an editor is blocked, we want everything else to continue without disruption, and notifications being seen by other people who communicated with them helps with this. And second, even an indefinite block does not necessarily last forever. Sometimes it is appealed or reversed quite quickly. Omitting notifications would in those situations create an irreversible gap. And we

3079:.I don't have stats on how many edits are made using this feature, although each task has a bespoke tag that can be viewed in page feeds and revision histories. There's probably a bit of stigma attached due to the name "newcomer homepage", and a bit of an adoption curve given that when the system was deployed all existing editors were automatically opted out, but it's a functional, powerful tool with dev support and a communicative team, so it's probably a good approach vector for this. 1398: 2080:{{mbox |text='''Alert''': You cannot change this redirect to an article with your current user rights. An automated filter has detected that you have attempted to convert this page to an article. * If you want to create the article {{FULLPAGENAME}}, you need to be ]. Alternatively, you can start the draft page using ]. * If you believe this message is being displayed in error please report this to ]. Thank you. }} 3480:. That social advocacy stance can't be sourced anywhere else, but (a) is clearly valid as the reader can hear the subject speaking that stance and (b) would give the reader a fuller understanding of the subject. If we merely say, subject was born here, died here, and did these physical things, that wouldn't give the reader the all important "why" is it important that the subject did these physical things. 2885:(or just draft space creation) is being bypassed instead of NPP? Because an IP cannot create in main space, they must create from scratch in Draft space, and AfC or some other editor with a login must move it to main space; whereas, creation from a redirect is possible by the IP. Another way to game the system would be to get a redirect created at 3475:

there could be a situation where someone in a normally conservative position (e.g. Presbyterian preacher) gave sermons using very strong language (e.g. "This is your Mother Earth speaking today ... I'm speaking particularly to you Christian Americans today. You along with other citizens are raping me.") about a social justice issue:

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I don't think this is a significant problem, as others have noted these don't bypass NPP anymore. The main reason from what I saw with ACPERM was to prevent users creating articles that ended up being deleted, restoring a redirect and reverting redirection is a lot easier/less offensive to the author

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I dunno, user talk pages have a secondary purpose as a sort of record of discussions and decisions related to that user. If a user was blocked for issues related to article creation, for example, it's pretty useful for an admin reviewing an unblock request to see how many articles of theirs have been

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If the page in question is about someone who was a social advocate and the page wants to give the reader a more full understanding of what that person advocated/said, there very will might be AV recordings that would aid the reader in that understand which at the same time were not reported by a 3rd

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But if we talking about documenting a stance/speech that a subject took/said, then I would suggest that an audio or video file of the subject taking-that-stance / giving-that-speech would not only be an acceptable source, but would be a *better* source than a 3rd party report from a journalist about

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I've noticed the uptick in opposes, and would like to double down, albeit not strongly anymore. Restoring a long standing redirect can be done via edit requests and creating articles can be done via AfC. I understand the concerns about being lulled into being able to do the edit, but think that's an

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I think this merits a larger community discussion. It often comes up as an emotionally-charged continuation of whatever deletion-related dispute led to an editor being blocked in the first place (think Lugnuts), so it would really help to have clear guidance that we can point to in these situations.

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On Twinkle, there is only a checkbox for "notify page creator if possible" and not any information about who the editor is. Twinkle should show their names, plus some warnings if certain conditions are met that would make notifying inappropriate (user is indef-blocked, user hasn't edited in X years,

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One other thought I had, if the technical implementation on this further point would be challenging we can skip it or make the change in the future, but we could have it where the actual refideas template shows on the editnotice but is hidden? So that someone who doesn't want to be bothered going to

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who has been using sockpuppets to hijack redirects by moving them to a new title, then logging out and overwriting the redirect with an unrelated new article, and then resetting the pagemove redirect at the former title to hide the move. This has the effect of evading new pages patrol, and removing

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At BrownHairedGirl's user page, there have been tens of notifications of categories for discussion since she was indef-blocked, only a few weeks ago. There will be literally hundreds of such notifications over the next few years, as she was, I think, the second most prolific editor on WP, ever, and

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deleted all of those additions that I had made because "For legal reasons, Knowledge (XXG) cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use

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We have the random article feature, but given how many stubs we still have (3.8 million, over half of our articles), I wonder if it might be a productive thing to introduce a random stub or article needing improvement/cleanup feature and try to encourage more people to edit. We currently have 4400

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the necessary measures to prevent this type of vandalism. This is one case where a few bad apples ruining the bunch doesn't ruin a bunch of apples of core interest. IP editors should be permitted to Request Moves and comment on Requested Moves, but I do support the necessary measures for us to cut

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a long-standing page that has been turned into a redirect. There's no way for an edit filter to "see" the old revisions of a page, apart from the timestamp of creation, a list of recent contributors, and the name of the first contributor. Best we could do exclude summaries containing "undo", etc.,

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of that work, often they had a bunch of unrelated stuff they were doing that was good and helpful and unrelated to what got them blocked - and the fact that it's now left up in the air can be bad; completely unwatched, untracked things are dangerous, since they invite vandalism and other problems.

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Regarding a dispute, I'd rather not get into the weeds too much on this, I think this is a policy that would improve Knowledge (XXG) across the board in this narrow application (i.e. A social advocate said XYZ. Reference: Here's an AV file of them saying it). But if a concrete example would help,

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I also would be concerned about longstanding articles getting redirected or even having #REDIRECT ] added and then other users not being able to revert it. If a new user or IP redirected an article and then realize they have made a mistake they should be able to revert it. If disruptive users are

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Give yourself more credit, I wouldn't have even thought of those ideas. ;) Although it may be my idea as the genesis, it's really up to anyone in the community to find the best way for this to work for everyone. The example you gave makes a lot of sense; I also just recalled that we get a notice

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See my comment below about some editors being excessively paranoid about "primary" sources. IMO the comment you refer to is an example. If the person expresses an opinion in plain words in a recording then it's not OR to say they expressed that opinion. Just make sure you're not trying to "read

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No, these notifications are good. First, as other people have said, the talk page may be watched by others. This is good because it reduces one of the drawbacks of a block - we risk leaving everything the blocked editor was watching and working on unwatched. While of course sometimes they were

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It is fair enough to notify. Perhaps the blocked / dead / retired user does not care, but those that watch the talk page can then see what is going on, and argue the case for whatever should be done with the article or page. I have rescued several pages through being informed this way. (mostly

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doesn't require any particular kind of sourcing in the article, but "coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject" is the usual signal that something is worth covering rather than being fringe or minutiae. On the other hand, sometimes an article does require information that most

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created thousands of categories over the past couple of decades. I would suggest anyone interested in seeing if the CfDs are genuine/need another opinion/etc. should probably just watchlist the main CfD page. The purpose of a userpage isn't to act as a proxy-notification that someone else

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that reverts these kinds of edits? We can ask the bot to look at the tags/history of the page of the edit to check for #1, while resolving #2. The bot would be subject to the usual bot requirements (no warring i.e. reverting someone twice) and leave a message to someone's talk page.

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issue. User talk space exists primarily for the benefit of building the encyclopedia and it can be useful to see previous AfD nominations, so perhaps we could compromise by archiving, instead of deleting, these notices or setting up automatic archiving so that everything is handled

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I'm on the fence about the appropriatness of maintaining talk pages as memorials for deceased/retired/indeffed editors, especially when it comes to curating them by keeping notes from well-wishers, deleting routine notifications and even chiding those who leave them. It becomes a

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I believe you are correct. As a frequent page mover, I definitely know the leftover redirect needs patrolling, as I get an auto-patroll bot message. I have also seen pages made from a redirect go into the NPP queue using the really old date when the redirect was first created.

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I can get behind this. Refideas is something I have made use of in the past, in order to mention that I found useful articles for other editors (who have more experience in the subject area) to use. It's a shame they're not super prominent, because it's a really great feature!

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My understanding is that there is currently a policy that a source should be published by a 3rd party, not a source closely related to the subject themselves. And if we talking about documenting what a subject *did*, then yes "I did xyz" from the subject is not a good source.

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but that could be trivially exploited by bad-faith users, and won't help people who try to manually revert. (2) Edit filters (as opposed to page protection, the title blacklist, or the hard-coded ACPERM restriction) lead the user down the garden path of thinking their edit

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I realize that this is built into the automated nominations process, but it seems distasteful to me when I see a notice pop up on an indef-blocked editor's user talk page that an article or category they created has been nominated for deletion. Can this practice be changed?

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I think this sounds reasonable. Overwriting a redirect with a content page is essentially identical to new article creation, which is not open to unregistered editors. So if there's a way to enforce this technically, it seems like a natural extension of existing consensus.

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concern is is true whether we're referencing the subject directly or referencing a 3rd party take on the subject. Either (a) the editor can merely quote the references (direct or 3rd party) verbatim or (b) the editor can paraphrase what the reference (direct or 3rd party)

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references a general group of media from the subject that could reasonably be considered to include that video). You might be ok citing a video of the subject for simple statements they make about themselves, but evaluating an argument they are putting forth would not be.

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I started in March 2020. 50,000 is very ambitious, but I think could be achievable if we ramped something up and got more people on board. If anything I wish we could be running a long term 1 million article destubbing drive with thousands of regular contributors! ♦

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everything about indefinite blocks to be reversible, because the system isn't perfect; if they appeal successfully, or if it's determined that whoever blocked them screwed up, they shouldn't have to deal with additional issues from missed notifications or the like.

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For example, on the subject of Robert H. Meneilly (an often outspoken social justice advocate), if the page about him were to indicate that he gave a speech about Separation of Church and State, then the following audio file would be a valid source for that claim:

3427:"secondary" sources assume anyone interested already knows or consider irrelevant for news purposes even though an encyclopedia article should still include it. This can be a point of contention, particularly if a fan or a detractor of the subject is involved. 1930:

My most immediate concern is that indeffed users will be receiving emails noting the talk page discussion, and this will be rubbing salt on the wound. I can see this sort of thing spurring them to return under a sockpuppet account to address the nomination.

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trigger NPP review? My understanding is that when redirects are overwritten with an article that they are then subject to the NPP queue. And the same thing would go for the newly created post-move redirect: wouldn't that also be subject to NPP review? —

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IP changes Foo2 from a redirect to a new article, and now both Foo2 and Foo1 are in the NPP queue. Foo2 because a page created from a redirect is added to the queue near the oldest dates (depending on the original age of the redirect), as far as I am

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If Wiki wants to have a policy of *absolutely* no original thought by editors, then Wiki should have a "verbatim quotes only" policy. Note: That even with such a verbatim policy, an editor could use an AV file as long as they quote it verbatim.

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as a natural extension to ACPERM. Non-autoconfirmed users should not be able to create articles by using technical loopholes. Although patrols (NPP and AV) can find these hijacks in some cases, this would remove the root problem. All the best,

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I do support this idea and am unclear on the implementation details. Will this require a software change? Can it be implemented as an Editnotice? Would a bot-delivered usertalk message after an editor first edits the article, in the vein of

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in the wikipedia article? It would be OR to take some video of the subject speaking and say "X has voiced the opinion that..." unless a secondary source has actually made that characterization with regards to that video (or the source

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If that's a concern, then what of the "well wishers" expressing regret that the user was blocked? By giving the impression that the block was wrong/unfair, wouldn't they likewise be encouraging the user to return as a sockpuppet?

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unfortunate side effect that outweighs the positives. And if, at the end of the day, the opposers are right, and this does end up being a pain in the... erm... buttocks, there can always be another discussion to revert it.

1972:, where editors are asking how to prevent these notifications and deleting them without archiving. It's kind of bizarre to see this after such a fuss was made about removing personal attacks from this editor's talk page. – 1773:

I would also remind folks to assume good faith: Deleting articles that an editor left behind (and sending the associated notices) is part of maintaining the encyclopedia, not a vindictive attempt to erase their legacy. –

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As a natural extension of Knowledge (XXG)'s longstanding policy of not letting IP editors create articles. I've seen this lead to numerous problems regarding the repeated re-creation of articles on non-notable people.

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already flips these pages to unreviewed, and without diffs, I will assume this is what is happening. Just because NPP doesn't come in and fix these instantly, doesn't mean they are slipping through our review system.

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between the lines" of what they said to determine what the opinion is. Yes, the line between paraphrasing and OR can be fuzzy in some cases, and you'll sometimes run into editors who take that fuzziness to extremes.

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Yes, it would need to be biased if anything to old articles, a random tool spanning the whole encyclopedia rather than a defined category, and be a visible feature in the side panel to expose the masses to it. ♦

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I like the idea of auto-archiving, so long as it is done in a way that does not affect the content of the user talk page as it stood prior to the block (or, since it has been brought up, disappearance or death).

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per below, won't solve the problem of autoconfirmed vandals (who will just need two autoconfirmed accounts instead of one for the issue in the OP) and will make it difficult for users to revert such problems.

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attribution from the original redirect's creator which makes this an issue for content licensing. It also requires a lot of steps toi properly unwind, and the vandal did this to about 50 pages just yesterday.

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the talk page just to see what is there, could click "show" on the editnotice and see the transcluded contents of the refideas template to even more quickly see what sources are available for that article.

2531:, in which case this is a feature, or are warn-only, so they can still click "publish" and fix the problem later. This problem could partly mitigated, I guess, by putting a big shouty message wrapped in 3114:

Or if the page were to claim that Robert H. Meneilly said "XYZ" while receiving the Harry S. Truman "Good Neighbor" award in 1995, then the following video file would be a valid source for that claim:

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Regarding WP:WEIGHT, I can see the response that "this person advocated XYZ, who cares that they said this" but again that weight issue is a valid concern no matter what the source of the reference.

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The practice is helpful for Knowledge (XXG), as the page will often be watched by others who can act on the nomination. I'd like to see a more convincing argument to change it than gut feeling. —

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I imagine it working somewhat similarly to how users get a notification of an existing draft page when an article of the same name that does not exist. For example, pulling a random draft:

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in Preferences, already provides the infrastructure for a "random article needing cleanup" feature. It does break things down into separate tasks, which we're able to configure locally at

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Then, too, many editors are fairly paranoid about "primary" sources, to the point where they've gotten this paranoia written into some policies and guidelines. If you see someone quoting

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Can someone post some example diffs please? Normally NPP will catch a redirect being converted to an article thanks to how PageTriage is programmed, so maybe I am missing something. –

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to take some video of the subject speaking and say 'X has voiced the opinion that...' unless a secondary source has actually made that characterization with regards to that video"

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speedy deleted by resetting Foo2 to the redirect and moving it back in place. This does require administrator action though with more than a single edit in the redirect history. -

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notice on their own watchlist, but having these pop up on one's page, with possible email notifications, and no way to stop them, might well indeed be rubbing salt in the wounds.

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states that talk page notifications are optional, so I was going to go ahead and move forward with the change. Will watch this discussion in case a different consensus emerges. –

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on its talk page, that the user will see a small yellow text box above the editing area that says "There are suggestions for sources on the talk page that you may find useful."

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applies equally to "secondary" sources as well. Similarly, some like to use "primary" as a shorthand for "I think the source is too niche or too unselective to count towards

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This is not in any way a priority in my opinion, just a "hey that would be nice", right now I just want to see if we can get this editnotice in place to begin with. :)

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Perhaps to aid in verification, such an AV cite would need to include a timeframe during the recording from when the reference comes. Of course, that added feature for

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I mean, it's useful to me if I follow the person's userpage, since it lets me go and check if the nomination is vindictive BS (which a fair amount of the time it is).

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composing a carefully referenced page, then clicks "publish", only to be told "nope". Yes, their edit is saved in the filter log, and we can recover it for them at

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As noted above watchers watch those respective talkpages and also to note editors in the past have nominated pages userspace pages on the basis they're indeffed

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Can we log and tag instead of disallow ? Interested editors can then watch and filter for these edits, and revert the bad ones and let the good ones slide ? --

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I'm pretty sure that an edit filter can be made to detect when a logged-out editor removes the redirect code from a page, and since this behaviour goes against

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external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words."

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whenever we edit a BLP and I think the same could work when we edit an article with the Refideas template on the talk page. I feel this is coming together.

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per Crouch, Swale and Suffusion of Yellow's concerns. I'm not at all convinced that the benefits of this will come close to outweighing the side effects.

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Sock moves redirect Foo1 to Foo2. Foo2 (already patrolled when created or grandfathered) needs no action, but Foo1 redirect is added to NPP queue.

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A bot is just plain worse than an edit filter, and, as you acknowledge, adds even more tech dodges. And I'm not convinced by any of the opposition.

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Both pages need patrolling, so I don't see how NPP is bypassed. Attribution history is indeed a problem, but It seems like what is now Foo1 can be

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It's time we have consistent standards, not technology dodges. Expanding a redirect into an article, however, AFAIK doesn't evade new page patrol.

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basically already does that. From what I gather, destubbing is usually done at the level of WikiProjects or similar entities (e.g Women In Red).

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My point most recently is that we are *supposed* to paraphrase a source anyway whether a 3rd party report of an AV file of the subject at hand.

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supported by a primary source directly documenting something a subject did, then that material is almost certainly not warranted in an article.

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Yeah. I don't think this is a good idea per your concerns. I was a bit confused by what this was proposing when I asked for examples above.

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b) An editor using their own words to convey a stance the Subject took according to a 3rd party who listened to an AV file of the Subject.

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so in that respect talkpage notices are helpful. Personally I don't see a problem with an indeffed user getting notifications about XFDs. –

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on a limited number of pages (say, with an expiry of 30 days) would just require the assistance of a template editor, page mover, or admin.

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I would also point out that an AV file would give the reader a "tone" or "body language" that the subject used instead of merely the text.

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I think the crudest implementation would be via a bot. Is there a way for an edit notice to read the content of the attached talk page?

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for now... What is the problem we are trying to solve here? I dont understand how the fist description would get out of the NPP queue:

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I am opposed to any big stop hands as that can turn out to be harsh. But an information message would be helpful while stopping this

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or other routes for getting more opinions on a specific content dispute (versus vague references on this noticeboard) might help.

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save, until they actually click "publish". I am thinking about the user who discovers some notable subject is a redirect, spends

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as forbidding analysis or interpretation or synthesis of primary sources in particular, you're probably running into this as

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can be satisfied in the case mentioned by a reliably published video. Keep in mind deepfakes and clips-out-of-context though.

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Regarding WP:V and deepfakes and out-of-context, I think that's a valid concern no matter what the source of the reference.

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I'll admit I don't know much about how technical implementation works so I may not be able to answer questions about that.

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would be helpful whether the media contained content from the subject themselves or a 3rd party report on the subject.

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a) An editor using their own words to convey a stance the Subject took after listening to an AV file of the Subject vs

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IP changes Foo1 to point back to its original target, but it is still in the NPP queue as a newly created redirect.

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I kind of wish that the normal talk page banners (the "coffee roll" color) was lighter/higher contrast like this.

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creating inappropriate articles on redirects this should be dealt with through normal measures such as blocking.

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is pretty close. We'd also want to prevent registered-but-not-autoconfirmed users, not just unregistered ones. —

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Thank you kindly! I was going to check with the Technical part of VPP if no one else here knew what to do next.

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If they weren't reported by a third party, then how would we write the text these sources would be supporting?

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or something similar. The action taken could be "disallow" and the error message could be something like this:

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If BHG is receiving unwanted emails then she could simply log into her account and disable notifications, no? –

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The issue isn't so much verifiability as it is establishing content is DUE and PROPORTIONAL. If material is

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Ooh, I love how that looks. :) I'm also 100% open to suggestions if anyone can think of a better wording.

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Pinging two arbitrary very helpful technical users who seem to have a strong knowledge of the software:

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To write the text, the Wiki editor would merely listen to the audio and type what the subject said.

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So ... if I "must write using your own words", then I'm not sure where that leaves us with the

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As someone who once came across one of these that went unnoticed for 8 years and had to go to

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is what you're asking. I'm also not a particularly technical user, nor very smart in general.

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Tangential to the main discussion here regarding when if ever primary sources are preferred,

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for how to do it properly. Including the guidance on when direct quotation is appropriate.

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https://soundcloud.com/villagepres_heritage/february-2-1986-separation-of-church-and-state

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hat on, can someone provide examples of log actions the edit filter is supposed to catch?

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It seems like you're fishing for support in some dispute. Perhaps you should link to it?

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sorry to pick on yall, but what's the most realistic way this idea might be implemented?

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filed a bug report with Twinkle the other day asking for this to be changed in Twinkle.

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parameter, which allows for specification of a timeframe in an audio / video source.

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Clarification: The tools only use articles located in the supercat, not to a subcat.

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which can be searched in the recent changes or user contributions, it used to be at

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to heart and so I merely quoted the 3rd party source ... a Wiki administrator

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pages that transclude Refideas) to see if people find it helpful. Placing the

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so I am bringing it for a proposal. See that discussion for more background.

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I would not want anyone to get a talk page notification for this idea I had.

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comment about regarding this discussion about using AV sources of a Subject:

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There are suggestions for sources on the talk page that you may find useful.

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I propose that whenever a user clicks "Edit" on any article that has the

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this idea. I think an appropriate abuse filter would be something like

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use JavaScript code instead - those should probably also be moved into

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I also support the idea, but have no insight on implementation.

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Am I missing something here, or does overwrite of a redirect

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a new thread or use the talk page associated with that topic.

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But what would you be using this primary source to actually

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Wouldn't object to a bot, but I don't think it's necessary.

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FYI, I was editing a different page and took concern about

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Proposal: extend ACPERM to IP editors overwriting redirects

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No, I was not aware of the |time= parameter, thank you!

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The proposal is sound and relatively easy to implement.

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Notifying indef-blocked editors of deletion discussions

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