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Thank you for the time in reviewing the article and for the useful comments. As I have declared a conflict of interest on this subject, I will proceed to implement these suggestions on my sandbox, with the expectation that one of you, after reviewing my efforts, will be kind enough to effectuate the
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I suggest you fix all these things (including what Plange and other reviewers suggest) and then come back for a new peer-review. Then we'll mostly focus on content and structuring issues. I think that some sections may need reorganization or summarizing with the creation of sister sub-articles, but
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I also prefer the splitting of notes and references (it offers a better overview of the sources for both the reader and the reviewer), but other users prefer a unique Notes section as you have it. Both styles are acceptable, under the term that you give all the necessary information for the sources
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Jumps around on how it refers to subject, from full name, to first name, to last name, and to variations of his title. Generally you should use just the last name after the person's been introduced, but if you can make a case that he should be called by his title, then you need to be consistent and
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I implemented yur changes. My suggestion is to archive this peer-review and start a new one, so as not to get confused here with comments over comments etc. I think that this will be better for all of us, including Sandy, who had expressed his willingness to also offer a review after a notice of
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These sentences don't make sense, is something missing just after first set of refs? "Other scholars, such as Kranenborg, George D. Chryssides and Ron Geaves also described a departure from divine connotations. while continuing delivering the four techniques of Knowledge which, according to
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This part is confusing: "he is not an officer, director, or employee of either organization" (under Prem Rewat today) because at this point were just talking about one organization Elan Vital and its numerous locations around the world. "either" makes it sound like you're referring to two
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I have completed the recommended fixes, with the exception of the lead, that may require other editors involvement as there was a dispute on how to word it, and what to include. I am also looking for some references for the couple of sentences that still need sourcing.
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Considering that Plange's and Yannismarou's comments will result in a hefty improvement, please ping me for a look when those changes are done. If you really #must# have a long string of footnotes to reference one sentence, have a look at how
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some of the family were discussing alternatives." This is one of the many prose problems of the article. Like Plange, I also strongly suggest an external copy-edit of the article. But this must be the last stage, after you fix all the other
343:"Afterwards, his mother and brothers came on stage to pay their respects to him." What is that? 5 citations in a row?!!! Not recommended! Not more than two! I have also seen some similar problems somewhere else. Fix these problems. 380:
When you citate, it is not necessary to use italics. As a matter of fact, I think this use of italics is not recommended. If you want to emphasize on a specific quote, there is a variety of quoteboxes.
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and copy the new version to complete this first phase, if your asessment is that your points and suggestions have been addressed. Note that I have not deleted any material from the original version.
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is completed, I would appreciate a phase II, where you may make further comments on structure and any suggestions on how to address the copyediting that may still be needed.
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In the Criticism section it mentions a Melton, but without a first name or indicator of who he/she is. Is it a former student, a religious scholar? This should be noted.
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My impression on reading this is that it needs a good copyedit and perhaps a re-examination of the structure? Seems to repeat things, etc. Specific items I noticed are:
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The last 2 paragraphs of Access to the techniques seem out of place as they have to do with the history of the practice and provenance than with access.
279:, p. x and then in the References section I'd list (in alphabetical order by author) the full list of reference works for easy lookup/reference. See 358:
speaking about fulfillment, love, and peace at his father's meetings." Choose a tense and stick on it! Since you narrate, I recommend past tense.
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Chryssides, afford self-understanding and self-realization in a manner that is independent of culture and not bound to the traditions of India.
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the fourth and youngest son of Shri Hans Ji Maharaj and his second wife, Jagat Janani Mata Shri Rajeshwari Devi. At the age of three he
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In the beginning of "The 1970s" I see some stubby paragraphs. Merge or expand. Such paragraphs are not good for the article's flow.
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The whole section of Life Work seems to be a repeat of info elsewhere, or where the info that is not a repeat could go elsewhere.
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I'd split Notes and References into two sections. In Notes, have a shortened version of the cite, i.e. Palmer and Keller,
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In Childhood in India: "called 'the 'Peace Bomb' marked the start " is either missing a single quote or has one too many
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I agree that the lead is too long. And this is a comment from a user who writes long lists, but this is far too long!
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I do not understand this point because Melton was introduced earlier in the article as a religious scholar.
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was not God" assuming the part in bold is a typo and should be 'he' but didn't want to make that assumption.
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Thank you, Yannis. Yes, please archive so we ca open a second peer review to deal with the pending issues.
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born in India where he attended the Catholic-run St. Joseph's Academy elementary school in Dehra Dun. He
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handles multiple notes in one ref, or how I combined multiple sources into one ref at the bottom of
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actual edit, if my efforts were useful in improving the article as per the recommendations below.
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I'm not yet sure. Let's have an improved version of the current article and then we'll see.--
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in 1979, Mishler claimed that he proposed to Maharaji to tell his followers plainly that
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Lead seems too long and goes into unneccessary detail, especially right off the bat. See
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I wikified some cities, but there's still more to do.
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Knowledge:WikiProject Biography
Peer review
Prem Rawat
Prem Rawat
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Yannismarou
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