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252:"Warfare on Byzantium's eastern frontiers then subsided for a couple of years" "a couple of years" - do you mean 'two years'? If so, it may be better to say so. You suggest that the initial raid was in 946 ("After his establishment in Aleppo, in winter 945–946") and the second in 948 ("recommenced only in 948"). Ie a 'pause' of only one year; which barely seems worthy of detailed mention. 242:, during the next two decades the Hamdanid ruler emerged as the main enemy of the Byzantines , who derided him as the "impious Hamdan": by the time of his death in 967, he was said to have fought against them in over forty battles." It may be me, but I don't see why you have used a colon rather than a full stop. 609:
I replaced it in a couple of cases, but I don't think that this is well applicable here; on the one hand, as precise dates are not known, I cannot replace "early summer 960" or "winter 945–946" with anything; on the other hand, given the date and context of the article, a possible confusion with the
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That's highly possible. It looks the familiar issue as the connexion/connection or gaol/jail or even burnt/burned issues personaly I use connexion, gaol and burnt and not a mix of them or use conection, jail and burned. But as long "a dictionary" uses that word in both Britsh/American English then
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Precisely not: "but as generic words and rough descriptions (sometimes best omitted for simplicity) they do not". The "City of Smithville" in the xample is capitalized because it is a political unit with a proper name. Hadath is described as a city, there was no body or jurisdiction with the name
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That's what I thought, but I am not sure that this distinction is so clear-cut: the Cambridge English Dictionary seems to even prefer it over the hyphenated version (as opposed to the OED). I think this is one of the several cases where there are believed to be differences between British and
1201:, I also get an error. This has happened to me in the past a few times, but then it works again. I've definitely visited them several times in the past few months, and it was working. Given that the website of the parent organization is up and running, this is probably a temporary problem. 443:
All good. I note as a non-actionable observation that in another article of yours which I have recently copy edited you refer to the inhabitants of Tarsus as Tarsians. There is, of course, no MoS requirement for consistency between articles.
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to a Byzantine vassal. The article was promoted to Ga back in 2017, but has languished since since I could not give it my attention. Eventually I would like to push this to FA. Any and all comments and suggestions are more than welcome.
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Not to me. I have not previously come across a reference to the inhabitants of Tarsus. I would imagine that very few readers have, I had assumed it a reference to a troop type. (Like psiloi or turcopoles.)
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Odd. I've accessed the page from three different browsers, a number of IP addresses and intranets, and it still works perfectly Nevertheless, I've added a link to the Wayback Machine archive.
310:"advanced unopposed as far as the fortress of Charsianon, capital of the theme of the same name". Optional suggestion - give an idea of how far inside Byzantine territory that was. 266:
the defeat was during the same campaign, 'earlier' would be a better word than "previously". (I would also recommend replacing the semi colon in this sentence with a full stop.
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Disagree on the above; "city", "emir", "prince" are descriptive terms, not part of a title or proper name. It is the same as in "the Hamdanid ruler" or "the Byzantine general".
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This is actually not only a reference for Sayf's raids, but of a more general period of quiet, which was quite unusual. Again, however, rephrasing is probably best.
454:"Following a series of Byzantine defeats in the previous years" is unclear as to who was defeated. I would normally read it as the Byzantines being defeated. 879:
American usage, but the British usage actually encompasses the American one (e.g. the -ize/-ise issue) so that both are (or have become) equally valid.
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Infobox. I think that "in killed and captured" can be dispensed with. A reader is likely to assume that that is what is meant by "casualties".
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Hmmm, my thinking was that this was connected to being the "main enemy" of the Byzantines. You are right, however, that it is not needed.
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Lot's of stuff that I'd like to see explicated, but unless somebody finds a few leaves of parchment that were overwritten...--
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
300:"who according to the Byzantine chroniclers had been appointed as Domestic of the West" What is a "Domestic of the West"? 1177: 399: 964:"Destabilisation" is part of a direct quote, so I cannot change it. Otherwise I am using the -ize forms throughout. 993:
Hey sorry mate for disturbing you but my comments are here for awhile. So could you please address them? Cheers.
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here is my last comment. You said the -ize/ise issue in one of your reply, well here I have a comment about that.
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Yes tottaly correct. Americans uses southwestern while Britons uses south-western or even south western. Cheers.
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Fixed/clarified both, I also added the strengths of the combatants in the infobox for context on the 300 horsemen
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One of the main and best-described battles between the Byzantines and their long-time 10th-century nemesis,
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Rewrote and expanded the section, especially since Leo's victory of 950 is almost a template for Andrassos.
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Link "Asia Minor" or if it is a province or region within Byzantine then link "Byzantine Asia Minor".
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Oops didn't know there were two Constantines one of which is called Cplakidas my apologies. Cheers.
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Great to see you again Constantine. Take your time just wondering or you forgot this one. Cheers.
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As per MOS:SEASON, replace summer 960 with mid-960 and the same with the other seasonal references
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I reckon I have some problems when you ought have to capitalise titles or generic words. Cheers.
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Don't know what exactly you point out with these two. You mean that in BritEng it is different?
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Map of the Arab–Byzantine frontier zone in southeastern Asia Minor, with the major fortresses
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Also the image File:Arab-Byzantine_frontier_zone.svg should have a hyphen too. Cheers.
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If you have been able to visit, I agree it is probably intermittent. No prob then.
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Consider explanding PmbZ as it wasn't immediately obvious what it stood for.--
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I have boldly made a number of copy edits which you will want to check.
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Expanded my comment on the lead and replied to two of your comments.
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in the 960s, and the reduction of Sayf al-Dawla's emirate of
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Sayf al-Dawla as meant here, so changed to "Hamdanid emir".
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A couple of points regarding the additions you have made.
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Changed, although TBH I am not entirely happy with it.
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Is it worth, briefly, mentioning who the Tarsiots are?
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Wallis Budge needs a publisher. And the link is dead.
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Publisher added, but the link works perfectly for me.
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Christianized. Please standerise one of them please.
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The inhabitants of Tarsus? I thought this obvious...
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The lead seems short for an article of this length.
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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Military history
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Battle of Andrassos
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