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Perhaps the MOS should be changed to use one of these in this sort of situation? Only a few fractions are available in precomposed Unicode characters, so that's probably not a complete solution, especially if we want visual consistency. That leaves the option of partially lifting the science-and-math
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require for science and math articles) doesn't really work visually, at least on my computer - the surrounding text is easily confused as part of the numerator or denominator and sometimes it's just unclear that the fraction is supposed to be a superscript or subscript at all. I'm wondering what
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which would be slightly visually inconsistent (and TBH not all that well-rendered, either), and the option of switching any problematic expressions to LaTeX-style markup. Or perhaps someone has another clever solution or more illuminating examples or other considerations? --
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2.0 (or something else?). The appearance of STIX 2 is not an exact stylistic match for Computer Modern, but it's also not inordinately far away. I don't really know what would be technically required for MediaWiki/Wikipedia to host something like that though.
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Oh, nice, that looks way better and is already contemplated by the MOS. I've added a note about that situation, since it seems to occur a lot. (I'm systematically getting rid of the precomposed characters where they are not allowed). Many thanks! --
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I only see 231 articles with "∘". There are 597 articles with "β—‹". It would be very easy for me to change all the instances of "∘" to "β—‹". Would that solve the problem of visual confusion? --
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Imo, the most problematic issue is with the symbol for function composition (∘ or β—‹). On some devices such as Safari on my laptop, the first one is so small that it is easily confused with an
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This would deserve more discussion, since, on my smartphone, "β—‹" is much too large. My opinion is that only latex should be used when the symbol for function composition is used.
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One thing that would help a lot in my opinion is (English) Knowledge (XXG) directly hosting a "math" font indicated first in the font stack in the CSS for
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templates which explicitly included a wide range of supported glyphs. This could be e.g. something constructed from Computer Modern glyphs, or
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other people see and what the preferred solution for this would be, if it is indeed really a problem? Here are some examples with
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of Knowledge (XXG)'s policy and guideline documents is available, offering valuable insights and recommendations.
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Yes, please voice your concerns at the bug tracker, because the report was dismissed as not a technical issue.
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warrant reformatting on the grounds of being confusing to those unfamiliar with the practice, or does
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procedure and is given additional attention, as it closely associated to the English Knowledge (XXG)
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OK, I've added all three characters to the list, recommending LaTeX markup instead. --
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I assume this be added to the list of characters that should only be expressed with
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Talk:Inequality (mathematics)/Archive 1#Renderization of "not greater than" symbol
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In sub- or superscripts, it's usually best to use a horizontal fraction, as in
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Hoping someone with template editor rights and more knowledge of Lua can fix
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For information on Knowledge (XXG)'s approach to the establishment of new
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If you'd like to discuss that with the responsible parties, see
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for fractional exponents and subscripts (which is what
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is that it can stretch to fit whatever size you need.
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