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813:, the accepted name (as determined by consensus in recent taxonomic sources) should be used as the title. In some cases, there may not be consensus in recent sources. We don't need to wait for Google page counts for a recently accepted name to overwhelm results for a long-standing name now regarded as a synonym. However, neither do we want to rely on a single primary source; we don't immediately incorporate the nomenclatural results of every phylogenetic study that comes out; we wait for those changes to be supported by some secondary sources (this is basically the same logic that applies to changing title of articles on cities or other geographical features that have had a name change; new usage doesn't need to overwhelm old usage, but recent sources should demonstrate adoption of the new usage). 85: 53: 615:
point that means moving 2194 articles (that's just for plants; animals also have monotypic genera at the genus title). That still wouldn't solve the problem for Wikidata. And there are a couple reasons why using the genus title is preferable; it's more concise, and it harmonizes with how fossil taxa are treated (my understanding is that people working on paleontological taxa settled on not having articles on species first, and that played a role in the decision to have living monotypic genera at the genus title).
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This flower (like so many others) is known by several vernacular names... and each of these vernacular names are “the most commonly used” in different areas of the world. However, no matter which vernacular name is used in a given area, it is UNIVERSALLY known also by its scientific name. Thus, the
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It would certainly make the rule simpler if it was "treat monotypic taxa at the lowest rank" rather than "treat monotypic taxa at the lowest rank, but no lower than genus except when the genus name is ambiguous with another Knowledge (XXG) article". I kind of wish we had gone that route, but at this
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Yes, I had noticed that Wikidata is rigid. But today readers of Wikipedias other than English can't see some of articles because of hidding species descriptions in articles about genera. I think that most clear, natural solution would be if species and genera had separate articles. This is not the
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but it is impossible: "Could not save due to an error. The link enwiki:Orthilia is already used by item Q1552593." etc. Perhaps it could be fixed somehow on wikidata level, by omitting redirect template, so those articles about species hidden in articles about genera could stay. But in such
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This rule generates errors in article pages, because links in the left panel point to articles in different languages about genus, not species. And vice versa. Articles in different languagest don't point to an English article. Here is an example article about
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I think that much better would be have separate articles about species, not genera like currently, because description are about species. So in case of monotypic species only an article about species, no article about genus.
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same as Bonnie and Clyde. Because Bonnie and Clyde are Bonnie and Clyde, Bonnie is Bonnie, Clyde is Clyde, but genus is not species. And better solution would be to ommit articles about genera, not species.
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If using Wikidata to do the interwiki links is causing a problem in this article... don't use Wikidata. Be creative, and find another way to do the interwiki links. Problem solved.
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Indeed. Unfortunately, this is a problem with wikidata, which seems to be getting mired in various problems. I thought I could fix it by adding the Wikidata redirect template at
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I had noticed this issue coincidentally a day before yesterday, wrote so many messages because of strong resistance to this information. You can do what you want.
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it's always a tricky issue. I would bold "major" synonyms, i.e. those widely used that have a redirect. Too much bold is distracting and unhelpful, in my view.
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It's completely pointless to have separate articles about monotypic taxa just because of an elementary design error in Wikidata, and we aren't going to do it.
488: 58: 842: 837: 491:, which describes the problem and the recommended resolution. Please read at least the second link, because it contradicts your accusations. 847: 249: 170: 165: 84: 52: 567:. It's nothing to do with genera and species particularly. A different example is that the English Knowledge (XXG) has two articles, 236: 200: 147: 132: 33: 136: 97: 92: 140: 542:. But in this situation, readers of Knowledge (XXG) in other languages would not see English article about species. 736: 180:
of Knowledge (XXG)'s policy and guideline documents is available, offering valuable insights and recommendations.
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situation English articles about genera would not be visible in articles about genera in different languages.
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in the left panel, no one is English. Because English description is hidden in the article about genus
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procedure and is given additional attention, as it closely associated to the English Knowledge (XXG)
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but it hasn't worked yet. Not sure if it might work later, after some batch process happens.
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The Cebuano, Dutch, Polish, Swedish, Waray and Chinese Wikipedias have separate articles on
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The problem is on the Wikidata end: Wikidata is not able to (easily) link to redirects. See
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the problem is with Wikidata not any of the Wikipedias, as has been explained to you at
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Monotypic taxa: A genus with a single species is treated at the article for the genus.
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This guideline doesn't say much about putting synonyms in bold. So I guess
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currently tells us that the accepted name for the species is
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Is "scientific name" equivalent to "accepted name", or does
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scientific name is actually the most commonly used.
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https://www.wikidata.org/Q156153#sitelinks-wikipedia
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https://www.wikidata.org/Q162501#sitelinks-wikipedia
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