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there. This level of specific minutia cannot be trapped by categories. I suggest that we categorise by municipal (city, town, village) or by county, that is county, city, town, village are all treated equally for categorisation purposes, and for general world view understandability of categories, and if the relevant category is not there at the time then autocat will escalate to state.
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Sheesh!? (If the USA rationalised its layers of government to only three, and amalgamated social order and support delivery generally to state, it could probably pay off its entire new budget deficit from the savings.) I think for categorisation of law enforcement agencies we do not even try to go
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Village. Now whilst it's not exactly clear how many operate at the same time - probably only two of City, County and Village - the standard US system is confusing when applied here.
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I'm not sure I agree about getting rid of the "police" designation. "Law enforcement agency" is not a term generally used in the UK, but police force is. And a police force is very specific - a (generally) uniformed body of constables responsible for maintaining public order and investigating crime.
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Are prosecution services law enforcement agencies? They are part of the justice system. Also, I know some police forces still have police prosecutors, but is prosecution actually a law enforcement process? I have a similar problem with probation services. I would have no problems with an
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I am not sure that I have properly followed the debate below about this, but from what I understand generally military police should be a parent category for military provosts generally from a world view, with national terminology and definitions being refined in articles such as
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Specialist police forces of the UK or country) would be very useful - there are 2 main types: parks and ports. However,
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