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scratched our heads what those bios were that should probably be deleted, and all we could collectively come up with were the ones that are listed there. And they all happen to be prostitutes. There are other representative entries, but Stuart didn't create stubs for them in the first instance. We could list them, and over time, I'm sure we will.
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would have initially focussed on the very notable people, and then worked towards the less notable. He did that for a good 30 years and then published the 1940 version of the DNZB. Hence, I'm guessing that at least the first five editions infer notability. But we better check this by getting these books out of the library.
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Well, when the problem of non-notability arose for DNZB entries, we thought that listing those representative entries somewhere is a good way of managing this. So somebody with a DNZB entry either has a
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Knowledge; only a couple of sentences about them have been copied into the Knowledge article. So to rephrase my prior question, is it the case that if someone is listed in the DNZB, but is not notable enough to warrant their own Knowledge entry, they are considered a "representative entry" ... and
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Good feedback. I for one have never held a single copy of these books in my hand. Older versions are available as snippet view only on Google Books, which isn't enough to assess the situation. I can imagine that older editions may well infer notability, as
Scholefield was the initial editor, and he
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Um, as this needed to be reviewed by the global wikipedia community (as a notability guideline) it's really not appropriate to add it to notability guidelines like this directly. I also believe this is far too narrow a scope for a notability guideline, and considering what it's scope is to do ,
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The Who's Who volumes continued to at least 1995 - I have in front of me the 1995 edition of "New
Zealand Who's Who Aotearoa", edited by Alister Taylor and Deborah Coddington. It's published by "New Zealand Who's Who Aotearoa Limited" with copyright dates 1992, 1993, 1994 and 1995. I wouldn't
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If it helps inform the discussion, there's a long-standing consensus that anyone with an entry in the similar
Australian Dictionary of Biography can be assumed to be notable given that the ADB entry alone comprises significant, high quality and in-depth coverage.
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consider that listing in it conferred any degree of notability - many of the entries seem to have been imported from lists of members of professional organisations. I'd place its content at about the same level as the volumes of the
Cyclopaedia of 1897-1908.
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Are you saying that if someone is listed in the DNZB, but is not notable enough to warrant their own
Knowledge entry, they are considered a "representative entry" ... and therefore their entire DNZB biography will be copied into the
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That means that the draft is ready. What it doesn't mean is that what's there is the final version; please regard everything as a starting point for further discussions. Edit as you see fit; say what you think on the talk page.
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earlier this month, I thought it is about time that we resolve this issue once and for all. I have started work on a notability guideline for New
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specifically aiming to help identify what sourcing is appropriate for people of NZ, this is much better served as a guideline within the NZ Wikiproject, and not as as a global notability guideline. --
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We have a draft status for this policy. Have we given everybody enough time to comment on this? Can this be turned into a policy accepted by the community? Or is more discussion required?
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Thirded. This would be better as a wikiproject guide and will not qualify as a guideline. Plus I'm really not seeing the rigor around the defintions that would make this policy worthy.
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I've done this now, feel free to take a look and let me know what you think. I'm happy for other nominations for the same treatment.
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