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and has a repository of over 23,000 packages. Also you are completely wrong in the second case you mentioned, because
Distrowatch is edited by Ladislav Bodnar (the owner of the site). The same is true for pbone.net which is under full control of its owner. In both cases StartCom doesn't have any influence about what gets reported and listed. I don't know about Freshmeat, since we never submitted anything to them. Having said that, there are enough other references besides them in the talk pages of StartCom Linux.
1100:"We are the #14 website in the world. We are a big target. If we are to remain true to our encyclopedic mission, this kind of nonsense cannot be tolerated. This means the administrators and new page patrol need to be clear when they see new usernames and page creation which are blatantly commercial: shoot on sight. …
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409:, this was the state the page was about. Perhaps you should establish guidelines about how to setup and write articles about Linux distributions, which would make everything a lot easier. On the other hand, there are templates for OS Infobox and listings at distrowatch, obviously which should be used at such articles.
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1.) The StartCom articles exist for quite some time now. They were build and guided by members of
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Of course does a extensive repository of RPM packages has something to do with it. StartCom isn't just a "me too" distro, but was one of the first producing RHEL clones and has additionally its own product (MultiMedia
Edition) which isn't a clone. StartCom does that already for 3 years successfully
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from non-notable but self-aggrandizing authors screaming bloody murder about company, organization, and marketing edits which are reverted. This is as it should be. However, I am issuing a call to arms to the community to act in a much more draconian fashion in response to corporate self-editing
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I suspect, that you are related and/or sympathize with a competing Linux vendor which happens to support also a competing CA (and I can name names if you want)! StartCom is not Spam, how dare you say this! Additionally there is interest in these articles. Additionally StartCom Linux is 100 % open
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Enterprise Linux was a stub. I didn't created it. I improved it. Somebody else can improve it further. Nothing more to say here.
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