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connotations of Mount Fuji. By the way, there is nothing at the end of "Wikiproject Japan", it's a red link. I was thinking of links to the Japan-related topics board. Also, torii are a religious symbol, so I'm not sure how appropriate it is to use the colour from a torii. Maybe just a boring colour is OK. How about "uguisu iro" or something? --
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If you have lived in Japan, or have information about housing there, please look through the article. Perhaps you have some knowledge or have a viewpoint that would make the article more valuable? A photo or illustration? A statistic, reference, or article for the See Also section? Or just a question
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hello all, i tried searching wp for anything on those ultra-expensive japanese fruits, you know, like the square watermelons and $ 15 apples with calligraphy on them. anyways, i can't find anything, and though it's probably my incompetence at searching properly, i would like to request that such an
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Besides those two areas, hyphenation (I admit that I don't know when it should be used) and maybe some romaji-to-English conversion (the obvious ones like dizuni-rando I've already taken care of... probably) can stand some work. There are probably a few isolated places where the scripts hiccoughed
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There are two main things to fix. The biggest glaring problem is that the romanization script didn't know about macrons. Lots and lots of ou's to fix, etc. Secondly, there are many stations already with entries which will need disambiguation links, based on the fact that their romaji name is the
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and would like to translate it. I'm not sure "Four post towns of Edo" is best. Can anyone make a better suggestion? The post towns were the first stops for travellers leaving Edo. They are Shinagawa, Naito Shinjuku, Itabashi, and Senju, so links from those articles are natural, as well as from the
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for renaming, but what I'd really like to propose is that we either split it into Ancient (Haniwa, Yayoi, Kofun, Asuka) and Classical (Nara, Heian), or simply create separate subcats for each of those periods. Nara and Heian may not be the Japanese equivalent of the High Middle Ages as Sengoku and
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I'd definitely prefer the use of periods, e.g. Nara, Heian, Kamakura, Muromachi, Sengoku, Edo/Tokugawa, Meiji, though I agree that it's a bit unclear what to do after that. Perhaps Mkill's last suggestion, "Imperial Japan", "Japan under the American Occupation" and "Post-Occupation Japan" would be
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I'm sure she's very attractive, but even so I don't want a picture of Mkill's girlfriend on my user page. The problem with the Japanese flag ("hinomaru") is that it is a charged symbol in Japan. The map is very neutral, and the Hokusai picture also seems OK to me, although there are some religious
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The color is vermillion, the color of the torii. I didn't choose it because I like it; I chose it because it represents Japan in some way. If you don't like it, please feel free to change it. As for the flag, I chose it because it too represents Japan; feel free to replace it with a graphic or a
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for a couple of weeks, and am nowhere near my goal of submitting it for Peer Review (to nobody's surprise). I invite the community to visit the article, help fill in more detail on the remaining holidays, spruce up my prose, add nuggets of interesting information, provide illustrations, correct
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I made a "straw man" with the intent that people would change it. Try some things! See what works in that size. Or change the size. Harmonize the colors with whatever image you like. The curtain in a Kabuki theater has five colors that are traditional; maybe one of them would work. Commons has
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Ok, enough about the box, btw. I like the new picture, too. As for the red link, I would suggest we start the Wikiproject Japan and try to integrate all the different Japan-related Projects, notice boards and collaborations into it. It would be nice to have a central meeting point. --
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I'm also unsure on how to split the history after 1868: Meiji - Taisho - Showa - Heisei is not optimal, as Taisho is rather short, while Meiji and Showa are long periods, and the breaks between the periods are not the big breaks in modern Japanese history, like the the Surrender.
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has been remade from the old Japanese AIUEO order, and I scrubbed the Japanese WP for all of the stations it had listed. A couple of perl scripts later, and the lists you see in that category are the result. A lot of red links, but that is only a minor concern right now.
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I've updated the list of article titles that I mentioned in August. These are listed in a project as "missing articles" and seem to be Japan-related. If you're looking for ideas for new articles, this list will give you a lot of suggestions. It's at
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And some clans are court noble families of the Asuka to Heian period, while others are bushi families from the Kamakura period onwards... Looks like the first thing we would need to get some order in the chaos is a table of the han, like
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the external links instead of above them where they belong. I've tried fixing it, but with no success. Could someone please take a look at it and see if they can figure out what's going on? Thanks a lot.
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I apologize to revive an old discussion, but I've recently re-discovered that the "Ancient Japan" sub-category includes Nara and Heian periods, and this just really doesn't feel right to me. I've nominated
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Seems ok by me. Don't know if anyone uses it--- you might check the template and see if any user pages link to it. User:DannyWilde has withdrawn from Knowledge. Also the discussion above might be relevant.
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but didn't see tables or templates so this would be forging new ground. The shinpan/fudai/tozama classification is a Tokugawa system; perhaps different contents of table for different shogunates?
670:. For comparison, the original list is at the bottom. All titles in the original list were red when I compiled it; you can see how many new articles (or redirects) have turned the links to blue. 439:. This is an excellent opportunity to discuss the present state of the article, identify its strengths, isolate its weaknesses, so that it can improve and perhaps reach Featured Article status. 598:
Ruling families often changed, as did assessment in koku so if you're thinking of a template to build the table, it's something to keep in mind. I clicked through a couple of entries in
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There seems to be no standard in this category, some are listed as families, some are listed as clans, some are listed just with the name. For example, there is an article
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I made it into {{Wikiproject Japan}}. It comes out like this: {{User Japan notice}}. I had to remove the float because it messed things up. Somebody please improve it. --
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To get more structure in the history, I'd like to split the history in broad era categories. But I'd like to get a few opinions beforehand, as there are a few options:
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I'm a little unsure if this category should list all articles about ethnic Japanese or only those that don't fit in one of the subcategories. What's the standard? --
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Feel free to grab a letter and start in. It will probably work best if messages are left on each section's talk page documenting the progress (ie, macrons fixed).
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process appears to have faltered lately, drawing in more interested editors to collaborate on this article would be great. Let's keep up the good momentum!
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One is to use a broad scheme, like | Prehistoric Japan - Ancient Japan - Feudal Japan - Early Modern Japan - Modern Japan |. Or we could use the scheme of
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Most Wikiprojects have a box or something to stick on the user page to say you're a member. Why don't we have one of those? Can someone make one? --
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Also, if you don't like the color of the Japan portal (it's the same), please do feel free to change it, too. It started out blue (if I recall).
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enormous numbers of ukiyo-e; maybe one of those would work. A Sharaku? Bold and graphic, perhaps just right for a small box like that. Have fun!
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I like the idea but this one is definitely too ugly. Can't we have a nice picture of a temple or cherry blossoms? The colour is awful too. --
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page and created it. Thought I'd drop a line here and ask for people more knowledgable about Japanese topics to check it over. Thanks! —
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As far as I know, we are still missing such an article (or set of articles). I though about it, too, but so far I only created the stub
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same as another station (many of these did not have any disambig pages in the Japanese site because the kanji are different).
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The Japanese site indicates the word is legitimate ... personally I only know it from the context of Hikawa Kiyoshi's song (
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recently merged, forming the city of 八幡平市. Google translates this as "Yamata flat city", but the new city's website is
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I think that I've stretched the automated part of this about as far as it can go, and that's why they're posted now.
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or suggestion to leave on the talk page? This is the closest thing we've had to a collaboration in quite a while!
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article be created by someone who knows more about this, if any such article(s) don't already exist. thank you.
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Note: I checked all the clans and moved Aizu and Satsuma in the domain section, the others were ok. --
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This article has seen quite a lot of good activity today, including a move from its previous title,
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From 和同開珎 to the B Yen of occupied Okinawa, it would be a great topic. A good addition would be
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Name (kanji) - Reading - Size (koku) - ruling family - castle - shingen / fudai / tozama - today
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If it was a person I'd rather choose my girlfriend, but you are a close second, of course :) --
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I moved the former article "Japanese translation note" to the Knowledge namespace. It's now at
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early-to-mid-Edo period are, but they're certainly not Ancient either. Please head over to
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Is there an article (or even a category) encompassing the old forms of Japanese currency?
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prompted me to finish something I started a couple of months ago. Of course, if it was
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gives a broad range from 1868 to 1945, maybe we should keep this one (or rename it to
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I don't mind, just edit the template to add the picture you think is appropriate. --
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on the Japanese wiki also has the hiragana in the pronunciation guide as はちまんたい.
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Furthermore, the content of some articles is the clan, while others it's the han.
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has been nominated for deletion. If anyone has an opinion, please express it on
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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i am looking to purchase a minko and move it to Fukuoka. where do i begin??
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it is genuine, in which case perhaps the article here should be re-instated.
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and their culinary use in Japan. It could use some copyediting as well.
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have all gotten this off to a rapidly-improving start; while the formal
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Looks good to me, based on the gif at the top of the gov't page, and
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has an article, but it's not quite a currency, in the same way that
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Is anyone aware of another article on the same topic on Knowledge?
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Should add that the Great Wave is nice at that size. Nice choice.
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would be another one. For the period after 1945 I would suggest
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is. But is there an article that encompasses those, as well as
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Fixed it. The end of the table was marked |-} instead of |}.
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errors, and improve the article in any way you see fit.
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Ok, I checked again and now I see what the problem is:
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photo that you like -- preferably one of mine ;-: -->
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the word is an hoax and should be deleted from ja: or
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Index

Knowledge talk:Japan-related topics notice board
archive
current talk page
Dodompa
Talk:Dodompa
ja:ドドンパ
RHaworth
15:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
CES
16:39, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
List of kanji by group
the article's entry
Fg2
02:14, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Fg2
08:17, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
the list of most wanted stubs
Fg2
02:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Minka
CES
03:58, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
DannyWilde
10:53, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
this
Fg2
11:32, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
DannyWilde
13:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Mkill

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