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I was patrolling pages for vandalism and I noticed that a page had a lack of citation problem so I was going to tag it but when looking for a template I came to this information page and read the restriction on tagging. I think it would be a good idea to delete that restriction because one might not
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If that's the actual problem, why don't we spell it out in the main text? The flip side of this is that the naked admonition against "drive-by tagging" conveys the impression that less experienced editors shouldn't attempt to make small improvements within their slowly evolving skill set/competence
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What's required is a tag that alerts readers to a dispute at the talk page when a certain segment of prose is suspected of being factually misleading--note: not misleading about opinion(s)--because it lacks additional information. Perhaps if {{lopsided}} produced simply ''. Or a template were made
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I'd like to suggest the introduction of a new template for writing style. This has to do with articles that have been translated from other-language editions of
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Adding a single tag to one article, especially if the tag is self-explanatory or is about a fairly obvious problem, is not generally considered "drive-by tagging". IMO the main reason to keep this line is that we occasionally have an editor who thinks it is helpful to spam tags into a lot of
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Thank you. Is there a tag for unsourced articles that are not BLP? (You answered the immediate question, but sometimes I see an untagged article on history or science (as opposed to a historian or a scientist, or possibly a biography of a dead historian or dead scientist).) Thank you.
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Maybe I am overlooking the obvious, but I have looked at an article which has no references. How do I tag it? (It is a BLP that was written before 2010, so I can't tag it for BLPPROD, and I don' think that it needs deleting. It just needs references.) I don't see the tag in the list.
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Please don't do that. The drive-by tagging thing is not really intended to apply to simple "citation needed" tags, but rather to other tags which allege serious overall problems with an article, and which can generate annoyance and frustration if they're not explained in some way...
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I am deleting that sentence, which is not necessary to the point of the section. If anyone can figure it out, possibly by finding who added it and asking them, or discovering their native language and asking for translation(ese) help, it
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tag (or somesuch)? This is not a matter of the source needing any updates. (The "update" sought after here is "removal" with nothing replacing it... and that doesn't sound like an "update" to me) Regards,
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This may be very specific, but it is something that occurs and doesn't have a proper tag to mark when it does: A sentence or sentences that mislead readers by omitting certain information.
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That is, the claim is verifiably true. The claim is well sourced. But its place in the article should still be questioned, since it has been surpassed by "newer truths".
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