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taxonomy. The difficulty stems directly from the work of Merriam (1918), who concluded that there are 86 forms of grizzlies (and brown bears) in North America." (Rausch 1953) Merriam's Lamarckian version of genetics permitted litter-mates to be assigned to different species. WP now permits articles on all 86 brown bear species that he described in North America. WP now permits editors to say that the grizzly bear and brown bear are different species because the old scientific literature supports this. Is this acceptable?

3726: 4872:, with the Taxonomy chapter divided into two halves. The first section is titled "Taxonomic classification" and provides MSW3 and other taxonomic opinions based on morphology. The second section is titled "Phylogenetic classification" and describes what the geneticists have indicated. In this manner, we have been thorough. Until the The International Society for Phylogenetic Nomenclature gets Phylocode operational, this is probably the best that we can provide to readers. 861:, until the phylogeny within Cetartiodactyla is clarified below Order. If you read that 2010 series of posts, it is a bold move, but its the correct one, I just do not have the know-how to edit the template code. My apologies, but I am new to Knowledge. I can provide all the references to back it up if that is part of the problem. I think if we leave the old system visible and footnote it with links to the old order pages then we should be fine. Look at 1941: 31: 2231:. A Google search (and a much longer write up of the results - details on prototheria's talk page) makes it clear to this non-expert that reports of prototheria's demise have been exaggerated, so I restored the article. My knowledge of taxonomy is far from perfect, and would appreciate some more knowledgeable editors taking a look. It's probably a good idea to consolidate the discussion on the prototheria talk page. (See also the 173: 2965:. All of the articles above are about the same species. I am a biologist who works in the area I am discussing. I try to help edit but I probably can only find about half of the brown bear articles. I recognize that even though I have technical expertise that we are all equals in the collegial process. I know how to do this. What I cannot do is debate on 28 or 56 different articles for the 3287:(edit conflict) This looks like quite a project. Seconding Animalparty’s words, if reliable secondary sources have enough (notable) info on a subtopic, then that subtopic should have its own article. Looking at it from the other direction, when there is enough information to bloat a parent article, it can be split off into subtopic daughter articles. 1180: 4744:. At the moment there are 449 missing mammal species left to add to Knowledge. Most seem to be new species or ones that are extinct, though mostly from the Holocene era. Open for anyone that wants to create new articles. I also included the missing tribes, genus, and families that are not complete and kept the references where possible. Cheers! 247:, which were previously suborder should be unranked. The old system should always be visible as unranked, since this is a major change in taxonomy compared to current public knowledge. I have managed to make Cetacea and the two suborders unranked in the template, but it will not allow me to make an new entry for the Order 0 which should be 1350:) assumes that species have been formally named. The references for Ardennes Marmot aren't very good; one Youtube video and one TV interview, both from 2009. Six years should be enough time to at least verify that the marmot exists and capture a specimen. If there are no recent developments, I don't think the article should be accepted. 3189:). In general, I think if there is sufficient specific secondary information on a topic such that a non-overlapping sub-topic article can be created, that clear and careful wording of introductory paragraphs can efficiently direct readers to the central topic without necessarily restricting all information on that topic to one article. 999:? Either Pei's referring to the same animal, in which case the reference is "Weid-Neuweid 1841", or he's tried to name a new one, in which case (it seems to me) his name isn't valid? Not having the original source, I'm wondering whether Pei actually said he was the first to formally describe this animal? 3508:

Hmm... so where would the GA review stand? Should the Mexican grizzly bear article be merged or not, owing to its current taxonomic status? A second opinion is more than welcome btw. I'm in agreement with some editors, I reckon an article that centralises the subspecies is necessary unless there is a

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can be shortened quite a bit in this way. Conversely, the most notable information in the daughter articles should be summarized in the parent article, and discussed in detail in the daughter articles. The Himalayan brown bear article like it's pretty good about containing only information specific

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The existing references (an interview with the amateur naturalist and raw footage) do not seem sufficient to justify an article, as both are primary sources (one guy saying he saw a new species does not mean a new species has been discovered). As currently sourced, the article should not be accepted.

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and the unranked Cetacean and Odontoceti still link to the original articles. This way people can read the justification, and go to the articles about the old system if necessary (although they need to be updated too - working on it). Will someone revert it? Maybe, but then we can try to move forward

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As suggested, I have looked through the archives and have no doubt if it were put to the vote today there would be more than enough supporters in favor of retaining MSW3. Like you, I too have concerns with MSW3 (2005) and am not convinced there will be a MSW4 released, however I believe that its use

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where more recent research contradicts it. I'm not quite sure about your subsections; phylogenetic trees can be constructed based on morphological characters (though morphology based phylogenetics is increasingly rare, morphology will continue to be the basis for phylogenies of taxa known only from

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was asking about a preference for MSW3 being documented here, on the WikProject Mammals page. Following MSW3 is discussed extensively in the Mammal talk page archives, but it's not on the main project page. MSW3 is 11 years old and science marches on. Mammals aren't arranged strictly following MSW3

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is well developed already (why chop away?), i think it would be more prudent to discuss each genus within this article. Note: Discussions on Knowledge (a voluntary project) often take more than 2 days, and the lack of input within such a time does not necessarily mean an action would be unopposed.

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is not a subspecies but is very notable. It is NOT (Ursus arctos middendorffi)as is claimed. I might for example want to create a new stub about the great naked grizzly of New York, a mythical bear that has been cited speculatively by scientists to be the description of a brown bear population that

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There is only one species of brown bear and the Kodiak subspecies (debate exists within Russia where modern genetics has less weight) but there are thousands of old Latin and common names for them. "The specific status of North American grizzly bears is one of the most complex problems of mammalian

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As I joined only today I'm asking for advice regarding changing articles to start class where it does not accurately use the species name in the lead. To be above this level: "The article is substantial, but is still missing important content or contains much irrelevant material. The article should

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in place of "Northern long-eared bat", as several sources already do (IUCN, MSW, several field guides), with the understanding that many species have more than one common name (even "official" common names), and some species share similar vernacular names. Also since myotis is already in the common

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The ICZN covers the most objective aspects of taxonomy, but doesn't have much to do with the subjective aspects. The ICZN doesn't say that any particular species concept is right or wrong, but does indicate the appropriate scientific name for a given species concept. The Alexander Archipelago wolf

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I looked up Elephant, and then the case of the African bush and forest elephants. They are historically considered to be the same species but recent evidence supports a split. Yet the articles stick to the earlier classification. If I am to try something similar in Bushbuck, which is traditionally

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for example has many scientifically invalid claims about science that are supported by long outdated citations that 50 years ago were reliable sources. Rausch is one example, his work is still respected for some topics but modern work has left other topics outdated. The Daily Republic newspaper is

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To mention humans in every single "fauna of X" list, category or article borders on the absurd. As for "include all or exclude all", I can only say that is also ridiculously pedantic. If someone wants to deal with the endless debate sure to ensue a bout of removing them all, knock yourself out,

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Yes, I agree that for many of the bear articles the problems can be overcome by concerted effort and good writing. There is usually some difficulty in ensuring taxonomic harmony and quality/recentness of source material between articles of any given taxon (be it multiple subspecies of a species,

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Pedantic, yes, but there should be a consistent approach on all these lists - either include on all or exclude on all. And if excluded, there probably should be a minor mention before concentrating on the main task of talking about the primary subject. The native "range" of humanity does include

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tells me that MSW3 "is the preferred taxonomy used by Wikiproject:Mammals." I have looked on the project page and in its Project Navbox under "Resources:Animal naming convenentions" but cannot find MSW3 listed. Could someone advise me if it should it be listed here or is TOL incorrect, please?

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as long as someone writing a report on the brown bear knows that scientifically there is no such bear as a "grizzly bear". Grizzly bears still exist in our culture and language and there should be a page to discuss them with their old name (only used in North America). There is a huge trove of

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I'm in. I'm not a bear expert or a taxonomist, but I have wrestled with other animal articles and am cognizant of the wild world or wiki. I think that each of the articles noted in the sections above need to stay as stand-alone articles for now to minimize assorted drama wars, but fixing the

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Alternatively I could just fix it, but these just are reverted. In my opinion, getting the name of the species wrong is a substantial fail when the correct name is supported by authoritative cites. For names where a debate may exist then this is not a substantive fail when this controversy is

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Maybe add something along the lines of: "The 3rd edition of Wilson & Reeder's Mammal Species of the World is the basis for the taxonomic framework used by WikiProject Mammals. The MSW3 classification may be overridden by the conclusions of more recent studies which are widely accepted in

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Should there be a way for people to find all of the articles on this species? Every old name should have an article when someone wants this, "but these should all advise the reader of (1) the accepted scientific status, (2) the current accepted name, (3) and if there is an ongoing debate - a

141:). The article naming scheme appears to have derived from the category name, but by definition there are no non-placentals in any placental orders, so why not simplify the title of all to simply "List of mammals in order X", or better yet "List of species in order X" for less ambiguity, per 1013:

I've just dug up a further reference (Wang & Tedford 2008), and it does seem that "Pei 1934" is the correct author. Whether the name is available or not is another matter, especially since the animal's subspecific nature is apparently in doubt, but it does appear to be in wide use.

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In this particular case, it doesn't even seem like there's enough unique information to warrant an article, and it is not comparable to a landrace, it is just about the grizzlies that happen to live in Mexico. In any case, the taxobox should be removed, as it is not a taxon.

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When WP has 20-50 articles on one species then the Reader and the editors become confused. Is there a policy regarding how to unify 50 articles all on brown bears? One idea would be to require that all begin with "Brown bears" or "brown bear subspecies" or "brown bear

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I'm not sure if this is worth putting on the Main project page "To do" list, but I've found a handful of Good Articles lacking images of the subject (although they may contain maps, related organisms, etc.) I recently put a notice on WikiProjects Arthropods, stating

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to the leads. Please remove these templates, as they don't belong in the lead section, since the lead does not need citations. If you still feel the need to express your desire to improve the number of citations in these articles, you should use the template

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type, for that matter - is unique enough to justify a standalone article per GNG, then it should not be merged. The article itself isn't up to GA status as it sit today, but I wouldn't merge it. I work in the world of domesticated animals, and on WP, most

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This draft has been submitted to AFC for review but I'm not sure if we are supposed to accept articles about species that have not yet been named. There is a plausible chance that it may turn out to be just a minor variant of an already existing species.

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multiple families of an order, etc.) Any effort in bringing a group of articles up to common standards will be appreciated. Moving from bears to lions (oh my!), there are some big cat stubs of dubious taxonomic validity that may be more suited for

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How long should I wait until I fail the article, as none of my issues have been addressed (as well as some comments mentioned here). Along with that, will there be any consensus on merging some of the subspecies? It's kind of divided right now.

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Thinking about this - what's missing is mention of humans in the leads. The lists often say they exclude domesticated and/or introduced species, that could be modified to say something like "The list excludes humans and animals introduced by

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There seems to be a general consensus that at least all genera warrant articles. When it comes to extinct taxa, species and subspecies are usually merged with the genus article, unless there is enough text about them to justify a split.

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page also lists both species separately, although both links point to the same page. In short, do we have any evidence at all that the two are synonyms, and, if they aren't, that the common name has been applied to the correct species?

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species is also present there, and that, moreover, it's extremely unlikely that it even could be, I think we're justified in removing it from the list. I'm sure it was just a typo by the original editor. I have made the amendment.

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due to scope issues, but the request mainly attracts the opinions of people that appear to have no familiarity with the subject (or zoology in general, for that matter). More knowledgeable opinions would be appreciated.

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has the map halfway down the article. Is there a good reason for doing this one differently? I see nothing at talk about the map, aside from a color-related comment that doesn't address the map's placement.

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Thanks Anaxial. Pei was not referring to the same wolf - his went extinct 200,000 years ago. However, thanks for looking up Wang and Tedford - those two know their stuff! I will run with Pei 1934. Regards,

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I don't think the references currently in any stub Knowledge article necessarily reflects what's actually out there. But I also think it may be premature, as there is no independent confirmation.

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named by Pei in 1934. I had assumed that this name gets recorded in some august volume somewhere in the world and that this makes it official. (NB: I am not a biologist, have no idea!). Regards,

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article more massive. This however raises a challenge: does the Reader recognize the context and also do new editors? Perhaps some stubs and some articles should be protected for this reason?

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anymore (I'm not sure that they ever all got brought into line with MSW3 in the first place). Knowledge should follow secondary sources, and probably ought not to be putting up articles on

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Geisler, Jonathan H.; Uden, Mark D. (2005). "Phylogenetic Relationships of Extinct Cetartiodactyls: Results of Simultaneous Analyses of Molecular, Morphological, and Stratigraphic Data".

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I was actually thinking that the main similarity was a common name "Elephant=Bushbuck" being used to describe 2 (or more) species. This could be used to help you with taxobox details.

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is the only subspecies recognized (except for 2-3 scientists in Russia who retain the old subspecies there) and it is also notable. The names reindeer and caribou are both notable. The

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what lives in a place. It is taken for granted that humans live in every country or populated place on earth and are only infrequent visitors elsewhere. We humans aren't listed in most

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Whoops, I'd just been reading the articles here, then I took a look at the Weckworth paper, which invalidates my previous sentence. Weckworth is calling the British Columbia wolf

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In terms of emphasizing that these are all species of brown bear, one way to do this would be to have the lead sentence state something along the lines of “ is a local variety of

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I'd personally support excluding them on all such lists - I agree that we should be consistent, but I also agree with Animalparty that this isn't particularly useful information.

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to the Hiimalayan brown bear (though “subspecies of brown bear” might need to be changed to “population of brown bear living in Nepal, Tibet, …” or whatever is actually correct).

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is the phylogenetically correct ORDER. Its correct in some articles and not others (although not always in the taxobox, but in text of the article) and its even clear on the

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as redirects, for now. Splitters may object, insisting that every node on every clade needs a devoted article, but since the genus Neomonachus was erected very recently

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that may affect a page in this project at WikiProject Tree of Life. The topic is Confusion over taxonomy of subtribe Panina and taxon homininae (are chimps hominins)?

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that all primate taxa articles include the suborder so that the divide between strepsirrhine and haplorhine primates is more visible to readers. Please comment there.

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I think the stub-class articles should be merged into brown bear, as well as the other subsidiary articles that aren't about a subspecies, but a specific population.

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Information common to all the subtopics should be discussed in detail in the parent article and summarized where appropriate in the daughter articles. It looks like

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These articles are very misleading scientifically. I cannot find all of them to fix them and I cannot engage in TALK for 28 different articles over the same issues.

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Just a heads up that while the original list of 671 missing species on Knowledge was near completion in 2014, there were many more missing and I have looked over

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every inhabited district after all. The IUCN Least Concern listing does cover all regions, so there is at least one reliable source for the ubiquity of humans.--

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Articles on unnamed species may be appropriate if there are adequate sources to establish notability. However, the idea that species may be inherently notable (

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I thought you meant the problem is with the length of the map. The collapsible list will not affect the map; it can be used to hide/show the colour legend.

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article - maybe even a list - and then the most notable populations can have their own articles too. I think a category and a navbox is also a good idea.

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and for the same issue. I propose limiting scientific debate to one species page for each species where subordinate pages must conform to that consensus.

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Consolidating this discussion here until we get to some resolution - I think its an inconsistency issue across the articles rather than a scientific one.

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and landraces have articles (about 400 in the case of horses, and who knows how many dogs?). I think that the best approach here is to have an overview

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Not commenting with respect to any particular species, subspecies or geographic race, but when it comes to policies and guidelines, relevant info is at

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here. Even widely-held bias is bias, and directing humans to learn about their own kind rather than the general term they queried furthers this bias.

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which is updated daily. I went ahead and added it to your WikiProject page so that people can find it. Feel free to move it elsewhere if you prefer.

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should be doable. Once any absolutely egregious mistakes (if any) are fixed, then we have room for discusisons about merging or the creation of a

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Correcting false information on Knowledge is appreciated. If you think someone might disagree with the change, suggest it on the talk page first.

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If there is more extensive news coverage (from Belgium or anywhere), that lends credibility to this alleged new species, a stand-alone article

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in 1841, and is now synonymised with a subspecies of grey wolf. So, if Wied-Neuwied's animal is now a subspecies, wouldn't that be the "real"

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please. If you don't want to, or don't know how to do a full AFC review, please simply post your comments on the draft's talk page. Thanks

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As always, we should reflect what the sources do. Most sources that list native animals in various regions do not list humans among them.

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The educational value of mentioning humans is not "man is native to X", but "man is an animal". The absence of humans is slightly jarring

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the next year) show it is possible that bushbuck could actually be two species. The article as of now says the bushbuck is two species -

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Hi, I know little about bats and could not possibly identify the one flying around in my house the other night, but I am involved in the

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from their. I am new, so I=is this not the correct approach? Should we ping in some of the users from that 2010 series of posts and from

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Example: "The Eurasian brown bear (Ursus arctos arctos) is one of the most common subspecies of the brown bear, found across Eurasia."

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When reading articles about individual animal species, it seems like I normally see distribution maps in or near the infobox. See

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to the appropriate articles, and then the names are mentioned in the article so that the reader knows s/he is in the right place.

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Fine, I didn't know this. There is much to learn. Does this apply when they use the wrong (old) name of the species in the lead?

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If the Alexander Archipelago, Vancouver Island and British Columbia wolves are treated together as a subspecies distinct from

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In the absence of contrary opinion, I have now changed the pages concerned to match the information available in the sources.

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Be sure the article "teaches the controversy" and explains both views. I'd list both, with sources and see what happens.

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fossils for the forseeable future). I'd just combine the subsections and have everything under Taxonomy (or Systematics).

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is definitely present in South Carolina, so it should be on the list regardless. Given that there is no evidence that the

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You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that

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could need some more input, as it may set precedents to follow. In my opinion, it does not warrant a standalone article.

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Hello, does anyone know where I could confirm the Trinomial reference to go in the taxabox for an extinct sub-species of

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be warranted, but unless/until there is any sort of expert analysis, it might be better off left as a minor footnote in

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reflects the idea that whales evolved within the ungulates. The term was coined by merging the name for the two orders,

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Based on molecular and morphological research, the cetaceans genetically and morphologically fall firmly within the

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have some references to reliable sources, but may still have significant problems or require substantial cleanup."

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has since been promoted to full species, which is fine, but it also states that it is definitely not a synonym for

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I saw this briefly discussed on the human pregnancy talk page, but years ago. Anybody up for change? Any opposed?

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does not comprise all three species. Either the article's name has to change to "Monk seal" or we split it into "

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did live there in that time. It would be better to have a separate article for this bear than to make a massive

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It's listed under the Taxonomic resources section on the project page under Animal in the Mammal subsection

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with redirects is pretty non-controversial, but there are others that have extensive articles, notably the

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has some articles on brown bears that aren't listed in the brown bear article itself (and there is also a

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Oh, I see. Yes, it is helpful. I will add any more comments once I start working on the article. Thanks!

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I've just made a couple of edits in the lead section to hopefully clarify this. You could try using the

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I don't know much about the intricacies of automatic taxoboxes myself. You might better luck asking at

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is actually describing the correct species. There is no source given that this is the common name for

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It's not letting me move it because the page "monk seal" already exists (but it's just a redirect of

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I'll note that there have been similar discussions about including Saurischia or Dinosauria on e.g.

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It's funny how the Grizzly bear article is about the same exact species as the Brown bear article.

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Hello Raggz, I noticed that in the list of articles you have provided, you have added the template

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To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to

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I am planning to work on this article. The taxonomy, however, looks confusing. While the sources

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for a pre-GA peer review. Comments from specialists and non-specialists equally appreciated. See

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Are you looking for just the name and author or the original reference? If it's not listed under

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and its two suborders visible with unranked status, and eventually I was also going to do so for

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it is notable. There should be an article. The article however is scientifically deeply flawed.

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This is not true. Fifty years ago it was true but it has not been for 25 years. There are many

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states there are 98 mammals in the state, but as that excludes humans surely it is one short?

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following primary sources, but 11 years is a long wait for the secondary source to catch up.

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aside, I think it is unnecessarily redundant to have "placental" in all relevant lists (see

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If the old name is used, instead of adding that template, just add "The <insert name: -->

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In terms of merging the articles too short or not notable enough to stand on their own, see

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project to eliminate ambiguous links in Knowledge, and that brought me and another editor (

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replace Order Artiodactyla with Order Cetartiodactlya on all cow/deer/etc taxoboxes. e.g.

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Myotis septentrionalis, the small U.S. one. No pic is available for the Australian one.

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isn't included on the vast majority of the location lists. For instance - the featured

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cited by an earnest editor on a technical topic for a claim that was once accurate.

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Agreed, one species and one page. One subspecies and one page, but only for what is

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I am not posting to TALK because my question relates to the many articles about the

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easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested,

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would be enough if used consistently in every article (and its errors corrected).

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should be reflected on the Wikiproject Mammals page. How should we progress this?

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I think it would be best to move the article to the title "monk seal", with both

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article is correct? We assume that the U.S. bat is the one that would be there.

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Listing humans seems pedantic and is not really very useful: people use lists to

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page. The issue is with public perception, and this is why I was trying to leave

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is the name for this entity (as it is the earliest published name of the three).

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I'll have a look at some point, but am knee-deep in GA reviews at the moment...

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Is there a policy about the retention of stubs? This editor has created a stub.

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Hi Animalparty, thanks for your speedy reply. I have created a short article on

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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I agree wit that, and that they should be dealt with one a case by case basis.

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replace Order Cetacea with Order Cetartiodactyla on all whale taxoboxes. e.g.

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WikiProject Mammals/Missing mammal species is back with more missing articles!

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are the focal elements being listed, as opposed to genera, individuals, etc?

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can do it. In fact, we had a discussion about whether to do it long ago at

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and who understands the classification changes I am proposing below. THANKS

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scientific classification in the taxobox. In the lead, do I say "bushbuck (

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and there's one native to the U.S. and Canada with article currently named

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should look like? Should we change Artiodactyla to Cetartiodactyla there?

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name, that title is more precise than just "bat", and thus satisfies both

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Template talk:Taxonomy/#Template-protected edit request on 19 January 2015

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Making the change is a bit fussy and nonobvious. I or folks who frequent

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include them. I'd have thought that would be most appropriate approach?--

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Note: One way to disambiguate these two bats from different continents,

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article talks about all monk seals. It can't do that because the genus

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Thank you for you most useful input. I was not aware of these policies.

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this diff which assumes a bat in Pennsylvania, U.S., is the myotis type

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as "mammals of X", or "Fauna of X" so Knowledge should not include us.

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which I changed since it has a manual taxobox. It has the footnote for

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for a discussion about the format of taxoboxes for species and below.

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Tree of Life#Redundancies in the taxoboxes

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rules are needed, as subtopics (e.g. subspecies) still must abide by

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Hello, mammal people. I've a concern regarding mammals and people.

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There is, however, I note, something of a confusion as to whether

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But is that correct, is the Australia bat now spread in the U.S.?

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Is that an available name, recognised by the ICZN? I ask because

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I know. The thing is, they didn't link back to the original (see

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definition of species. Cronin has argued that they are distinct

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reliable sources that were once correct to support this claim.

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Discussion opening up on whether to change the lead image for

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Huh? What legend, and how will that cause a map to appear?

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tropical and subtropical grasslands, savannas, and shrublands

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may provide assistance. What trinomial are your looking for?

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Well, I hope the comment here will attract some more views.

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I am trying to correct the taxonomy template for cetaceans.

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sufficient amount from reliable sources for specific ones.

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identical to the bears in Idaho. Being on the flag of the

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The creator has just blanked the page. I've tagged it for

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I'm proposing to rename the Steller's sea cow article to

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I think it's sensible not to follow MSW3 in your work on

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Talk:Calf_(disambiguation)#Requested_move_18_October_2015

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I would agree that merging stub class articles back into

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Price, SA.; Bininda-Emonds, OR.; Gittleman, JL. (2005).

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Feel free to participate in a discussion I started at

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the cumbersome parentheticals, would be to simply use

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is currently nominated as a featured article candidate

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There is an RFC that may affect a page in this project

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Brown bear articles & downgrading to start class

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Montgelard, C.; Catzeflis, FM.; Douzery, E. (1997).

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The paper cited in the article states that 1751:The following articles have been assessed as 8: 4759:Taxoboxes for even-toed ungulates and whales 889:ShaneGero, what do you think the taxobox at 635:.But first we need to decide if we want to: 251:. 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If a student searches for brown bear, 2194:For the North American bat species, see 1960:. As it should be, that topic is now a 408:Agnarsson, I.; May-Collado, LJ. (2008). 231:. The Order for all cetaceans should be 5142:the review if you feel like it. Thanks 325: 4864:I have a particular interest in Genus 3964:I just wanted to stop by to introduce 2335:taxonomy to be correct using the best 1936:Help on U.S. vs. Australia bats needed 1257:Knowledge:Peer review/Ocepeia/archive1 1054:Suborder in all primate taxa taxoboxes 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 3675:that deserve stand-alone treatment. 3203:As far as finding existing articles, 2100:Northern long-eared bat (Nyctophilus) 1996:this diff applies the Nyctophils type 1966:Northern long-eared bat (Nyctophilus) 1679:has been proposed to be renamed, see 771:nor would I have expected him to. :) 509:10.1093/oxfordjournals.molbev.a025792 388:10.1093/oxfordjournals.molbev.a040118 7: 5048:for GAR. Please start the review at 4971:. At Knowledge, we have the extinct 3748:for Featured Picture consideration. 3398:I’m happy to help with this project. 2368:at this point: with regards to the 2330:Lions and tigers and BEARS! Oh my! 1458:Category:Individual albino gorillas 1452:Category:Individual albino gorillas 1113:Please feel free to comment there. 726:ShaneGero started this discussion. 139:Category:Lists of placental mammals 113:, and related list name discussions 3736:on Bianditz mountain. Behind them 2014:List of mammals of New South Wales 1744:Good Articles lacking focal images 1190:discussion has been initiated for 253:Template:Taxonomy/Cetacea/Mammalia 229:Template:Taxonomy/Cetacea/Mammalia 201:Knowledge:WikiProject X/Newsletter 24: 18:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Mammals 4953:, ICZN rules would indicate that 4738:'s excellent list and added back 4628:, with many subspecies including 3795:wasn't clear about it. Same with 3467:,..." or some variation of that. 2433:Jaguars south of the Amazon River 1992:List of mammals of South Carolina 805:. Maybe this is more palatable. 3960:Today's featured article and FAC 3368:The many different names can be 3211:). It might be useful to have a 2376:) I'm highlighting for scrutiny 1970:Northern long-eared bat (myotis) 29: 4849:Thanks for your quick replies, 1757:For mammals, the list includes 629:Template talk:Automatic taxobox 611:Template talk:Automatic taxobox 528: 497:Molecular Biology and Evolution 376:Molecular Biology and Evolution 367:Graur, D.; Higgins, G. (1994). 127:List of mammal genera#Carnivora 5007:Evolution of the wolf#Ecotypes 4352:, it will be promoted. 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If the article meets the 4281:; before then, it had been 4114:Alright, I'll move it then 3746:Horses on Bianditz mountain 3721:Horses on Bianditz mountain 3711:15:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC) 3698:12:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC) 3684:07:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC) 3658:23:30, 1 October 2015 (UTC) 3632:11:32, 2 October 2015 (UTC) 3618:08:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC) 3603:17:07, 1 October 2015 (UTC) 3586:17:00, 1 October 2015 (UTC) 3548:15:48, 1 October 2015 (UTC) 3534:11:27, 1 October 2015 (UTC) 3519:04:11, 1 October 2015 (UTC) 2871:Alaska Peninsula brown bear 2071:15:16, 29 August 2015 (UTC) 1931:20:27, 29 August 2015 (UTC) 1738:20:55, 24 August 2015 (UTC) 1719:17:47, 24 August 2015 (UTC) 1693:05:13, 20 August 2015 (UTC) 1654:14:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC) 1474:15:43, 16 August 2015 (UTC) 1399:19:05, 12 August 2015 (UTC) 1374:17:43, 12 August 2015 (UTC) 1360:17:19, 12 August 2015 (UTC) 1341:14:02, 12 August 2015 (UTC) 1319:05:04, 12 August 2015 (UTC) 1292:19:02, 11 August 2015 (UTC) 1274:HotArticlesBot subscription 1269:03:31, 10 August 2015 (UTC) 1249:I'm soliciting feedback on 426:10.1016/j.ympev.2008.05.046 163:22:49, 9 January 2015 (UTC) 5168: 5090:11:54, 7 August 2016 (UTC) 5063:03:10, 3 August 2016 (UTC) 4917:Thanks for your guidance, 4870:Alexander Archipelago wolf 4691:14:43, 24 March 2016 (UTC) 4664:14:12, 24 March 2016 (UTC) 4655:03:26, 23 March 2016 (UTC) 4591:00:22, 23 March 2016 (UTC) 4564:23:53, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 4535:07:22, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 4484:06:31, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 4470:05:30, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 4409:10:09, 24 March 2016 (UTC) 4378:21:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC) 4363:18:32, 23 March 2016 (UTC) 4322:12:39, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 4295:12:30, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 4269:12:05, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 4242:11:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 4228:07:26, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 4197:15:43, 14 March 2016 (UTC) 4182:for an example. However, 3940:featured list removal here 2215:Prototheria and yinotheria 2114:, and MSW3 also says that 1985:South Branch Roaring Creek 1492:List of mammals of Florida 1141:12:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC) 1123:17:03, 20 March 2015 (UTC) 5022:07:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC) 4993:00:40, 30 July 2016 (UTC) 4935:could be a full species, 4923:20:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC) 4913:16:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC) 4890:04:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC) 4845:01:38, 29 July 2016 (UTC) 4818:23:37, 28 July 2016 (UTC) 4802:23:14, 27 July 2016 (UTC) 4775:17:48, 13 July 2016 (UTC) 4754:05:33, 26 June 2016 (UTC) 3909:Wiki Education Foundation 3072:for that subspecies. The 2991:reference to both sides. 2973:There should only be one 2421:Panthera onca hernandesii 2418:Panthera onca veraecrucis 1990:However, there's article 1803:Miniopterus mahafaliensis 1672:"Other red cell antigens" 1625:06:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC) 1611:04:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC) 1597:08:43, 25 July 2015 (UTC) 1572:07:01, 25 July 2015 (UTC) 1558:23:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC) 1540:23:10, 24 July 2015 (UTC) 1517:22:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC) 1499:List of mammals of Europe 1305:is under discussion, see 1235:10:07, 13 June 2015 (UTC) 1175:listed at Requested moves 1097:08:36, 1 March 2015 (UTC) 1074:08:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC) 464:10.1017/s1464793105006743 347:10.1007/s10914-005-4963-8 135:List of carnivoran genera 119:List of carnivoran genera 111:List of carnivoran genera 4725:07:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC) 4624:considered one species ( 1958:Northern long-eared bats 1811:Miniopterus brachytragos 1779:Neoromicia malagasyensis 1456:I've proposed upmerging 1301:The naming and topic of 1207:22:29, 28 May 2015 (UTC) 452:Biol Rev Camb Philos Soc 5094: 3560:If the subspecies - or 3025:Thank you your advice 2425:Panthera onca centralis 2190:Nyctophilus arnhemensis 2000:Nyctophilus arnhemensis 1707:Bosnian endemic venison 1700:Bosnian endemic venison 1677:Other red cell antigens 1167:23:21, 1 May 2015 (UTC) 1060:proposing at WP:Animals 3944:featured list criteria 3741: 3622:Generally seven days. 3209:Category:Grizzly bears 2349:or whatever we need. 2225:blanked and redirected 2188:. A simple hatnote on 2177:Myotis septentrionalis 2077:Myotis septentrionalis 1945: 1774:- fossil Gondwanathere 1642:invasive alien species 1405:Pregnancy and fetuses. 1183: 968:Canis lupus variabilis 176: 168:WikiProject X is live! 4973:Cascade mountain wolf 4955:Canis lupus crassodon 3991:Afrotheria, Xenarthra 3740:mountain can be seen. 3728: 2315:described and cited. 1943: 1859:Macrotarsomys petteri 1852:Euryoryzomys emmonsae 1830:lacking focal images! 1497:A few lists, such as 1434:objective and neutral 1325:Draft:Ardennes Marmot 1182: 1146:Lead image discussion 1132:There is a new essay 175: 42:of past discussions. 5040:Marine mammal for GA 3789:mammal. The article 3781:Articles on ancient 3491:Mexican grizzly bear 3325:Some other thoughts: 3291:Himalayan brown bear 3232:Category:Brown Bears 3213:Category:Brown bears 3012:Himalayan brown bear 2779:Mexican grizzly bear 2687:Himalayan brown bear 2392:; and in regards to 1259:to comment. Cheers, 872:Talk:Cetartiodactyla 656:: article text, etc. 5145:User:Dunkleosteus77 5113:User:Dunkleosteus77 5055:User:Dunkleosteus77 4895:secondary sources." 4810:User:Dunkleosteus77 4547:I'd try "bushbuck ( 4355:User:Dunkleosteus77 3423:{{Citation needed}} 2996:Eurasian brown bear 2733:Marsican brown bear 2386:Balochistan leopard 2118:is a subspecies of 1979:Can we assume that 1916:Voalavo gymnocaudus 1880:Oryzomys dimidiatus 1630:Homo sapens sapiens 1418:Pregnancy (mammals) 915:Trinomial reference 547:2009PLoSO...4.7062S 414:Mol Phylogenet Evol 275:even-toed ungulates 149:, to indicate that 4958: 4941:Canis lupus ligoni 4707:Taxobox discussion 4155:Bottlenose dolphin 4021:Solomonfromfinland 3885:A RM was filed at 3815:Solomonfromfinland 3742: 3355:is another option. 3294: 3293:were added to it.) 3106:biological species 3102:What is a species? 3086:Bear Flag Republic 3078:California grizzly 2549:California grizzly 2429:Panthera onca onca 2256:Draft:Brandtocetus 2219:Back in December, 2199:" should suffice. 2035:Also, by the way: 1956:) to the topic of 1946: 1838:Akodon spegazzinii 1819:Microgale macpheei 1787:Miniopterus zapfei 1766:- fossil treeshrew 1638:Afrotropic ecozone 1412:We currently have 1348:WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES 1307:talk:Algerian Arab 1245:up for peer review 1184: 851:even-toed ungulate 177: 5097:Steller's sea cow 4981:C. l. columbianus 4948: 4508:)" or "bushbuck ( 4180:White-tailed deer 4159:reassessment page 3995:Of the four main 3936:List of cetaceans 3934:I have nominated 3861:Talk:Calf#Hatnote 3834:saber-toothed cat 3751:Discussion is at 3351:inhabiting ”. 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