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Didn't take long for me to change my mind. I've started adding in skeleton pages for each of the missing Miles
Franklin Award winners, starting from the second TO THE ISLANDS, as the first, VOSS, was already there. I've taken a leaf out of the Booker prize-winning novels pages and added a box
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Australian writers who have published in a number of genres (so to speak) who would (if they were still alive) would have been known as author rather than novelist or poet exclusively. Anyone else on this distinction?
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showing the previous and next MF Award winners in the sequence. While these pages will take a while to build up I thought it best to lay down the framework first. I'd appreciate it if people could help me defend them against deletion if that looks imminent.
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I'd be most happy to use those categories. It puts the literature into a wider
Australian context as well. Didn't know they existed till now, so thanks for the heads-up. I'll start adding these Australian year categories to the novel pages I create.
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info box on the main page for WikiProject Australian Literature page, so we would have the information showing in how to do it correctly (which is how i have seen it showing on other Project Pages), ' not on article pages '.
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I am aware of the category which lists novels published in a certain year, but this does not differentiate Australian novels from any others. Is it worthwhile to create a category which will do just that?
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Hi. I don't belong to this WikiProject but the author of this article is new and could do with a bit of help to make it sound less like an essay or an advert. Can anyone give him a hand?
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