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MOS and guidelines as a club instead of discussing major changes. Mayumi simply asked SeizureDog to work with us, not take a militant "we must beat you down" stance. If you take a moment and simply review the history of the page, you will see that his initial edit had an antagonistic agenda, he stated he wanted to "kill" the lists. If you read the archives, we are not unwilling to compromise, but he does not seem to be based on his desire to "kill" and the dismissive tone he's taken on the talk page. Working with someone is so much better than working against them.
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objective? Who is asking for discussion before making major edits? Who isn't freaking out and making personal attacks (questioning my "common sense") rather than trying to build consensus? A revert is NOT showing "knowledge", any troll or vandal can do that. Ned's next summary "kicked it up a notch" as Emeril would say: "removing Figure 17, leaving the painfully shitty and stupid minor list. You want to put Figure 17 back in, cite a source". A victory for objectivity indeed.
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I agree with Doceirias. Also, even if a lot of the articles get nominated for deletion and subsequently get voted for deletion at least they've gone through the process. IMHO that's much better then a single editor coming here and making tons of wholesale changes with out any discussion and with an
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and such in his arguments. Simply bring up the fact that his methods and choices in enforcing said guidelines is making Knowledge suck, so therefore what he is doing is wrong and the argument should be settled as such. It's clearly obvious that the consensus is on this side of the argument. That's
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we include about it. Likewise, the use of the phrase "notability is not inherited" has been used outside of it's original meaning, to become something like "Just because we include the parent topic doesn't mean we'll talk about everything in depth". At the same time, it doesn't mean we don't do these
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be used for any non-free images. It's better to use the template than type up a simple list in the summary so you won't have the BOT keep on coming back. I've had that issue with several images where the Fair Use Rationale was clearly stated however not using the template and was tagged. After being
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I don't expect a "free pass". I do expect that when people come to an article they treat other people with respect rather than walking in with a "we're here to suppress your "resistance"" chip on their shoulder. This is a collaborative effort, not a battleground, and too often people tend to use the
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I was referring to your assertion that the original poster was canvassing, which I disagree with. I agree that you've done a better job keeping your language appropriate, but you have also been so focused on his language that you have failed to address any of the points he made in between insults. I
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revert, so don't even try to bullshit me there (especially when I was removing unsourced content). You want to reply with childish insults, unreliable sources, and stupid games, go ahead. I went there to help find a middle ground, but no, you just wrote me off an some generic "enemy" as you often do
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It sounds like something that simply needs some arbitrary choosing to make the lists limited, if they are to exist. Quite literally, I'm thinking of proposing taking a set number of examples, and selecting them at random from the existing list. It might sound weird, but if it at least helps wean the
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There are only around 2 admins active at any one time on the entire Farsi Knowledge. So it would seem that I dont have much say in this matter if an Admin says something, I gather? Their laws seem to be a translation of English wikipedia rules. Do we have a problem here with linking to trailers, as
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How many times did you revert? How was your reasons any better than mine? Doesn't the fact that you are just trying to prove a point, disrupting what should have been a calm and normal discussion, play into this? You have the nerve to attempt to blatantly lie to everyone here by trying to appear as
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I agree in principle, but I think the issue here is that TTN is doing more than just merging stubs and articles consisting only of a plot summary; he's also merging articles that are fairly or very fleshed out, and articles that have Good Article or Featured Article status. At least, that's what I
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and as such I don't feel that it would be appropriate for me to categorize the page under the scope of WP:ANIME (by adding the tag to the talk page). Anyway, I started the article and wrote a bit about his work, but much of the information regarding Yasushi Ishii can only be found on non-English
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replaced by the template, I had no problems. Key thing is that you have to have a Fair Use Rationale no matter what or else BOT and/or user will go ahead and tag it for speedy delete. I try to add Fair Use wherever I see images tagged but it should always be the owner's responsibility to do so.
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Fanart is not legal, but rather tolerated and/or ignored. We can not use fanart as a free replacement for fair use images as the same copyright issues exist (compounded with the additional artist who drew the fan art aloso having some minor claim to copyright on the image). For fictional works,
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And seriously, please try to tell me how someone who makes edit summaries like "removing Figure 17, leaving the painfully shitty and stupid minor list. You want to put Figure 17 back in, cite a source" can straight out state that I'm being disruptive when I ask nicely for you to calm down, stop
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Yes, the "merges" are simply bold redirects where no material is being moved from the pages being redirected. It is rather disruptive and completely improper. His actions may not be "against policy" but they certainly deviate from the spirit of Knowledge and its collaborative, consensus driven
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I would be against using fanart for the same reason I was against using pictures of cosplayers - it isn't the work we're attempting to illustrate. If there is a legitimate fair use rationale, that bot doesn't tag images. Personally, I don't think an internet meme is a subject notable enough to
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Objective? My edit summary: "wait for discussion and consensus before making such bold edits, please." Ned's response: "the minor list is extremely excessive. Use common sense. and no, Figure 17 is not Yuri". Do you see the difference? I ask nicely, he questions my common sense. Who is being
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There doesn't seem to be an issue here. It's something that shouldn't be it's own article, so it makes sense to just merge it somewhere. People remove prods all the time, but nothing here has been deleted, just reorganized. If there's a better place to put the information, put it there. --
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It cant be replaced unless the artist releases a copy of the character into the public domain. Fanart is violating the original authors copyright. If you're gonna use a fair-use image, use an authentic one. Recreating copyrighted material doesn't bypass the copyright laws. --Malevious
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has resulted in an interesting closure. The closing administrator basically stated that the point about notability not being inherited is mainly intended for articles about people and applying it to broader topics is tenuous, particularly when applied to articles that are part of an
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As Doceirias indicated, simply linking to the official site for the series is good enough. If the trailer is not on an official site, then we generally don't link to it, and if it is on the official site, we link to the official site in general rather than directly to the trailer.
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A lot of this comes from our odd use of the word "notability". We basically end up defining sub-article notability by the amount of real world information, but that's not what the word actually means, nor dose it necessarily mean if we include a topic at all or not, but rather
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images. Then I can take my time and see which are worth actually saving, without having to worry about a real deadline. I also would like to propose that we start categorizing our images more based on what series they come from, so that working on them is easier. Thanks to
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I've been thinking about this, especially since some of the fields in the featured manga lists don't apply to some of the manga articles I've been editing -- especially the volume title, and for some manga, the tankobon chapters don't have titles, and in one case
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Well, the 1990's is pre-Wiki which means many series within that period and beforehand have been omitted, largely that they're "unknown". Where as, new series coming in now and thereafter -- they nearly instantly get their own articles due to recency. Hmm, will
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Seriously, don't. I like breathing. Anyways, I wanted to show the Project my Userbox. IF I was supposed to put it on the community userbox thing, please TELL ME, and don't kill me for making a mistake. Tell me what you, as the WikiProject, think.
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I've discovered that a certain user is unilaterally merging hundreds of articles into "list of" articles without discussion. I'd suggest everyone check their watch lists and act accordingly. These undiscussed redirects are really out of control.
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and it's subcategories going by year. And there will always be more anime coming in, and I bet within another year, the 'Anime of the 2000s' category will have well over 1000 articles which is a little hard to navigate if you ask me. So, anyone
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Is there a guideline on what dates to use for Japanese original run and release dates for anime and manga articles? Do we list what date it was in Japan when an anime is broadcast or a manga is released in Japan? Or do we use the date at
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Or, you know, more objective opinions. Which, in theory, will avoid the extremely childish squabble the two of you have been having. This is what Wikiprojects are for - providing a resource that is both objective and knowledgeable.
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3rr so far, Ned, wanna go for four? And yes, I am totally aware of how LAME this is, I'm willing to stop just as soon as you wait for discussion rather than forcing your opinion on those who've watched that page for years.
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Fanart itself has copyright/trademark issues of it's own. Under the non-free use criteria, any fanart would be interpreted as a non-free use image and a potential copyvio. At one time, we had a fanart representation of
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Your revert war shows precisely how much you're willing to give. I asked you to HOLD ON until consensus was found, but you were unhappy with that and decided to troll via edit summaries. Nicely done Ned. Nicely done.
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I hate to buck the trend here, but IMHO better they be merged into lists than inevitably put up at AfD. 90% of all anime characters with individual articles don't have the real-world importance and coverage to meet
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I think it depends on where the trailer is hosted. On the official site? The official site link should take care of that. On YouTube? Are we sure the copyright holders posted it? Otherwise, we can't link to it.
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Yes, cause rather than trying to discuss this with the involved editors who have been working on the page, it is better to go gather your bully boys and squash any resistance. Top form. Knowledge Prevails!
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I tried to do with Case Closed after clarification-- but not much can be done. But then screencaps for this anime seems to be easy to come by. What I am thinking is a fair use rationale template for anime
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I would say that any show listed as running at 25:00, etc., should be listed on the actual day on which it aired. The "25:00" time is just a marketing gimmick that started in the late 1990s in Japan. ···
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I admit I'm not expert, but from everything I gather, fanart is quite legal, as fair use (certainly as much as fanfiction). But it's also against the rules on WP for being derivative, or whatever.
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If the article is about the manga, use that; the same for the anime. If it's about both, use the one which is most common. If neither is more common than the other, mention both in the article. ···
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on WP, often you have to decide on a case by case basis with is the 'better' version to use. If there's two equally valid English names, you have to find a good criteria...or possibly just use
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images; and I have to let many of these pics deleted since in my opinion most of these anime-related pics-- namely character screencaps-- are replacable, if we can get some fans to draw it.
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On a similar note to this topic, editors might want to start saving local copies of images just incase you can't get to them all in time. I've just gone through and did so for most of the
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You're the one defending a painfully excessive list that is even specifically marked as "minor". Common sense is not canvassing, and reverting an editor, yourself, who's only out to
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An Asian anime character vs a Japanese anime character. Hmmm. Yes, that's definite overcategorization. EDIT: Is it necessary to categorize characters by ethnicity? There's also:
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reverting and discuss like the gentleman I'm certain you are. I've been more than reasonable in this, you're the only freaking out, cursing and launching into personal attacks.
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So many manga lists and they all use wikitables of similar style, so to prevent editors from adding images on each volume released and to set a standard, should their be one?
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I'm not a party to the arbcom (however if I had known about it I would have participated.) If anyone here is a party to it might I suggest using the following argument: Per
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is simply ridiculous, as over 80% of all chars are Japanese. I'd say it's overcategorization. Not sure who in the project is taking care of the animanga cats though?
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is your problem? Do you just like to start fights for no apparent reason or because you believe there to be some cabal out to get your lesbian anime list? --
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don't think you get a free pass as the good one here. You keep calling for a discussion, but you haven't discussed anything except Ned's inappropriate tone.
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comes out in English next week, I thought I'd slip some backhanded promotion in by asking what people thought of the light novel list used on that page (and
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Agreed -- it's like replacing a screenshot of a live-action character with a drawing of that character, or with a photo of a fan dressed as the character. —
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Some anime say it airs on a certain date, but past the 24 hour clock like 26:00. Should we add one to the date because it's pretty much the next day?
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My problem is about the "replacability," above all things. Wikilawyers can always claim that screencaps can be replaced by GFDL-released fanart.--
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be fair use. The issue here is making sure a good fair use rationale is placed on each image being used for each article in which it is used. ···
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Either one is fine; I tend to put my anime ones on Knowledge space because that precedent already exists, while for others I use my userspace.
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I would say very much so. I wouldn't doubt we have plenty of articles on anime and manga that wouldn't pass the notability guidelines. --
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into a stub rather than a redirect, but I don't have any sources. Does anyone know more about these "seals" in Japanese culture/myths? -
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If it is not notable to the author himself, why would it be notable to Wiki? If anything, some of Wallaby's content can be merged with
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For your reference, ArbCom has accepted this case-- but it would not rule on content policy; it would only rule on TTN's behaviour.
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up for deletion and passing), it's inevitable that anime character articles would probably be next to be considered for deletion.
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You don't have to be computer savvy to make a screencap of a series so they're abundant or potentially so. Fair Use Templates
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I added some for the Japanese wiki, but there isn't much there, and some of it I couldn't translate well so I left it out.--
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things, and sometimes we do justify the greater topical detail. We likely need better phrases with clearer meaning :P --
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The story was stopped after 8 chapters without a conclusion, and the author seems to have no intention of continuing it.
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justify a fair use image, especially when we're trying to find group shots to avoid using an image for each character.
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You may want to have a look at the objections and criteria, and then comment on or address the objections raised here:
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This has been happened for a while, but I still don't know what to deal with it-- and I don't want to escalate it to
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Left-to-right. Right-to-left. That's rather trivial. If it were to fail notability, it would be for this reason:
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Would a Japanese manga written left-to-right be sufficient notablity for an article devoted to it? Even if, as with
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websites. As I can't read any of the forms of written Japanese, I'm at a bit of a dead end. Thanks in advance. --
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Any of the admins care to inform me the Knowledge policy on linking movie articles to (specifically) trailers?
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that isn't already there. Ned's question is exactly mine -- is that a sufficient impact to keep the article? —
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You should list the date on which it originally aired in Japan, since that's where it aired originally. ···
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I don't think userboxes are required to be all in one place. I've seen plenty that are in userspace. ···
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Sounds good. You up to the task of fixing it? :P (actually, a bot could probably be written for it...)
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seems to have been created because the original editor didn't realize the other one already existed. --
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any guidline can and should be broken if it's enforcement is a detriment to Knowledge. TTN is using
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Revert to the status before 5 Novebmer (ie unmerge), then raise a prod to discuss where to merge, or
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Your continued rambling to forgive your own bad behavior by making bad faith assumptions is noted.
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We would like some input from the community on this article, you can reference our discussions on
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think it's trivial or not, it's a matter if it had any (sourceable) impact on the real world. --
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http://www.wired.com/culture/design/multimedia/2007/04/gallery_mascots?slide=10&slideView=3
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I would do #2 because it's not even a character. There might be a better place to put it.
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However, I wonder if this is the consensus for this project? If yes, I would rather think
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No. Thursday night at 25:00 is still Thursday night, even if it is technically Friday.
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Another thing to note: rules on one wikipedia do not necessarily apply on another. ···
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25:00 in the night in Japan is 1:00 on the following day in English Knowledge due to
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Look into esoteric Buddhism and the martial arts; I think the term to look for is '
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I would wait until it was closer to 600-800 before breaking it down by year. ···
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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fictional works such as anime and manga, the only images that can be used
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to draw even one further person before edit warring to get your own way?
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I'm not playing games with you. The three revert rule does not apply to
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Thanks guys. I've been doing a bit of work on some articles related to
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obvious lack of consensus. There is a huge difference between
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Did you mean post it with all the other anime/manga userboxes
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Several anime shows and Japanese games use "Magic seals" (ex:
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Doceirias, you mean that his merges are removing content? --
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And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call canvassing.
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come into play for lesser known series within this decade?
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Related to this, you may also want to take a look at this:
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He is a famous composer in Japan, but he is not a seiyu.--
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Seeing as how we already have about 800 or so articles in
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be moved there, or is the "Lists" category redundant?--
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The links mostly go to IMDB or the official website.--
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I was wondering if anyone could help with the article
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List of RahXephon media was listed for de-featuring
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