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Invention page and please look over the references provided for this Artistic Invention section. Among these references, you might take a look at the books: Picasso and the Invention of Cubism by Pepe Karmel (2003); Leonardo da Vinci: Artist, Scientist, Inventor by Simona Cremante (2005); and Patenting Art and Entertainment by Gregory Aharonian and Richard Stim, (2004), as well as the website for The Lemelson Invention and Innovation Center of the Smithsonian Institution at
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are looking to WP and crying about how no one is editing enough, that is really unclear on the concept, and a big waste of time and mental effort. In providing a task force we make it possible to develop a community of editors. Yes it is a real task force, and it is my hope that it gets better. At least I'm doing something about it instead of panning it. Certainly the arts group is welcome to remove all association if that what people think about it. Be well,
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about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.
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participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks." This
Invention page needs to be within the scope of the Arts WikiProject too. Having it only under technology is totally narrow minded, e.g, just read the Artistic Invention section of the Invention article for proof. --
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who reverted one of his changes initially--but I got the blame!). Anyway, I won't wade into this yet as this editor may not respond well to my input, but there seems to be some major manual of style issues as well as unsourced info being added (keeping in mind that this article had problems to begin
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Hello, Invention is extremly important in the arts, as is inventive thinking. The
Invention page should be inserted in the arts project. Let's do this. Having this Invention page only in the technology project is a narrow minded view of both invention and art. Please read the Artistic Invention
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Real task force? Say listen, we obviously are living on different planets here. First of all no one can force others to edit or otherwise participate in WP. The most that we can do is maximize our resources so that people will be directed to articles that need help, and connect with others. If you
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I think he is just trying to get it more exposure. One thing I know from having seen the
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I think the intention here is to offer editors resources. In the case of issues arising, there is a place to go to get help, etcetera. It does not matter if the arts project banner is used. Some may have more than one banner, but that is not so terrible. We can make it our task to minimize the
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Culture and the arts, two areas of the arts, "Music" and "Literature and Writing" but it leaves out the huge category of Art, Design and Architecture which might collectively be called Visual Art. Can this be fixed and can the Invention page
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Thank you! It seems like that issue is getting resolved, however still no progress on the first issue in my initial note (directly above), putting the Invention page in the arts project. Please read the section on Artistic Invention (e.g., invention in art, design and architecture) at
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No deadline. There's nothing sad about it. It's a wonderful tool for organizing articles in aesthetics. It makes it easier for academics to find the subject matter they know about, etcetera. I'm sorry you feel that way about it Johnbod. You are doomed to WP disappointment.
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So we all agree that it would be helpful to put up a notice. We can, as the only participants currently active here, sanction a notice if we wish. Perhaps you could suggest the form it should take instead of the form you don't like. I suggest the following.
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