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424:. I have checked three of them against the print Riley (Cuban X-Giants, New York Cubans, Newark Eagles), and those are identical except for expansion of abbreviations and division of some long paragraphs (as for the Personal profiles). Riley uses markup only to bold the team names, and may recognize no multiple names, so nothing is lost in the online edition. (On the other hand, 22 is a tiny selection from these skimpy articles. Here at wikipedia there are 30 teams with players categories.) 145: 32: 177: 87: 63: 97: 894: 861: 842:
An extra thanks to those in the Africa Diaspora Task Force associated with this page. I am a Jewish-American of Eastern European descent, but had the great privilege to have had St. Claire Drake as a teacher and role-model. Thus, it is a particular joy to submit this addition in his honor and memory.
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For those two entries, the only additions are a second nickname for Grant ('Dad') and links to other eMuseum pages. What's lost is the bold and italic markup of biographical data, because eMuseum bolds everything. In the list of team-seasons, Riley uses bold for primary affiliation(s) and italics for
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is now updated to include this task force. I've started updating the template to include relevant articles, and help is welcome. In most cases all you need to do is add "|negrolg=yes" and "|negrolg-importance=" selecting from top, high, mid, or low. I've already gone through the Hall of Famers, so
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I think the baseball player infobox should be preferred because it includes useful parameters such as batting and throwing handedness and a list of teams. Some of the other available parameters, however, such as statistics, will be challenging for most Negro league players given the current state of
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Here is an illustration of Riley's markup, featuring the first half of the header for Grant Johnson. At eMuseum everything is bold and the name fields are rearranged entirely. This replicates Riley except for layout and the use of four numerals for years (rather than '11 for 1911, and so on). In the
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Very well. I'll work on some article standardization and grab some notes on other players to add to their articles. I will also be going to the Negro League Baseball Museum in Kansas City, Missouri in June. I will take some photos but if anyone has a specific request please see me on my talk page.
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So the eMuseum visitor, such as many a wikipeditor, misses the judgments that "Home Run Johnson" was his primary baseball name; and that Johnson was primarily a shortstop, a regular secondbaseman at times, a pitcher only in emergency, and a regular manager. (Positions for Rube Foster is
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I agree that infoboxes—for both teams and players—need to be created where they are missing and need to be improved and standardized. We can talk about some of the elements to be included in the infoboxes. I also have a personal goal to help advance six articles to
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minor teams. In the list of fielding positions (and other roles), he uses bold for primary position(s) and italics for merely emergency ones. In the name fields, he uses bold for the primary baseball name and italics to relegate some nicknames. --
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I don't think the task force intends to cover most white players who played for a pre-1947 integrated league. In addition to the Middle States League, quite a few white players played winter baseball in integrated leagues such as the
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Four of the latest profiles, from the end of the list, I have not located here or at a few other dated editions of the archive: Mule Suttles, C.I. Taylor, J.L. Wilkinson, Jud Wilson. Generally the later profiles are less substantial.
627:"Professional debut" and "Professional finale" (my suggestion in place of "Last professional appearance") should be neutral with respect to organized baseball, independent white baseball, and "Negro Leagues". 457:.) The "pre-Negro Leagues" candidates appear first in the alphabetical list. I recall that they were more substantial than the blurbs on Leagues players, lacking a rendition of playing records as a crutch. -- 183: 154: 73: 453:
published by the Hall of Fame winter 2006, prior to the February committee meetings that elected 17 of them. The host is Internet Archive where service may be slow. (Here is one direct link:
694:. I think the only white players we intend to cover in this task force are those who played for teams in the recognized Negro leagues. Before 1947, a handful of white Cuban players (such as 630:
The Teams list should be divided under subheadings or it should be chronological and thus neutral in the same sense just described. So I would list Buffalo Bisons first for Frank Grant. --
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This report covers the 39 semifinal candidates for 2005/2006 election by the Committee on African-American Baseball. 17 were elected. Those not listed have the baseball player infobox. --
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We should set up some goals on articles so we know where to go from here. I say something we should do is change all infoboxes from the MLB player to baseball biography. --
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It would seem to me that if insufficient information is given, there would be no point to the baseball bio infobox. The person infobox would serve the purpose. --
389:; founder, officer (NNL)".) The internet visitor also misses the classification of those 1895–1916 teams as major, the preceding and following teams as minor. 450: 943: 938: 958: 963: 310:. eMuseum cites Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1994; the second edition 2002 is a reprint except for a catalog of new data at the back. 187: 119: 17: 454: 901: 924: 878: 852: 817: 809: 790: 754: 739: 715: 675: 639: 611: 592: 577: 505: 482: 466: 439: 402: 323: 284: 257: 238: 210: 870: 782: 110: 68: 365:(1895-1898), Chicago Columbia Giants (1899), Chicago Unions (1900), Cuban X-Giants (1903-1904), Philadelphia Giants (1905-1906), 802:
Talk:St. Louis Stars (baseball)#Splitting reincarnates from the St. Louis Stars, Detroit Stars & Indianapolis ABCs articles
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I'm a wiki edit newbie so i apologize for any mis-steps in submitting the following, and for not simply using Wikiedit.
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knowledge and can be omitted unless well documented. The "person" infobox may work better for non-players, such as
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How widely and how soon should infoboxes be used? When a "person" infobox rather than a "baseball player" infobox?
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I don't like this cell for Frank Grant whose professional debut was 1886 in organized baseball (or earlier?).
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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with the project code, and in the process ended up tagging some white players who were part of the
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remaining header fields (Bats, Throws, Height, Weight, Born, Died) Riley does not use markup.
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Splitting reincarnates from the St. Louis Stars, Detroit Stars & Indianapolis ABCs articles
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I think I've probably already hit all of the "top" and most of the "high" importance players.
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Pittsburgh Colored Stars of Buffalo (1916-1917, 1919-1921), Buffalo Giants (1923)
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The eMuseum edition reprints the typos and clerical errors known to me. --
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Thanks. I've made a few edits and will try to look at it some more soon.
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Thanks. It looks like there's still some value to the printed page!
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The Biographical Encyclopedia of the Negro Baseball Leagues
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article. Please add any comments regarding the merge at
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I have initiated a proposal for several articles at
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Here are some people at the HOF candidate level. --
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Baseball
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Baseball portal
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Brian Halvorsen
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05:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Good article
Bullet Rogan
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05:08, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Brian Halvorsen
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05:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
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