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2125:, and just about anything else that basically emanated from China to Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. The primary problem is the quite simple one of deciding whether to cover the topic in individual articles for each country, which shows the special characteristics in each country but can easily miss the overall picture, or one central unified article, which runs the risk of glossing over the situation in each individual country and giving too much emphasis to China. A secondary problem is that of competing nationalisms. For better or for worse, Japan has in many ways developed what it borrowed from China in unique and interesting ways, and moreover, the Japanese aspect is often better known overseas than the Chinese original, which leads to a tug-of-war over which should take precedence. Korea is usually a less distinct branch than Japan, but Koreans understandably feel that their experience should not be slighted. Lip service is also paid to Vietnam, but articles on the Vietnamese aspect are generally lacking, largely because there is less material available, and also because Vietnam has deliberately moved away from identifying with China (by jettisoning Chinese characters, for instance). 1781:. If "Chinese calligraphy" refers to calligraphy in China, then it excludes calligraphy Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. However, calligraphy Japan, Korea, and Vietnam has strong ties to calligraphy in China, and one must account for that. If "Chinese calligraphy" refers to calligraphy in Chinese characters, then it does not matter where it is practiced, and therefore includes Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. However, it does not differentiate certain aspects that are native to Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. Also kana and hangul would not be accounted for. 2617:(Iwanafish) had authored. Another Knowledge conributor (Jrcrin001) works in conjuction with Enfermero to block any attempt by me to fix my articles. Enfemero has deleted references I have made with accusations that they are examples of illegal copyright infringement (see Ouyang Xiu article history). Please look at the China related articles authored under Iwanafish and the tags placed there by Enfermero. I am a trained Sinologist and university professor. These individuals have no interest in China and no right to act like this.-- 2736:, and allows for consensus to establish how they should be applied. Thus there is no longer any need for exceptions. In fact, making exceptions is nonsense, since there are no rules to make exceptions to. These changes are good for specific conventions. Xandar is trying to induce moral panic in those who stand to gain the most from this. Xandar is only opposed to the new version because he thinks the wording, not the general thrust, weakens his position in a dispute unrelated to this RfC. Don't be fooled. 2232:), the most accurate name I can think of is "Hanography." However "Hanography" gets only 131 results on Google. "Sinography" would be troublesome because it refers to radiography of a sinus following the injection of a radiopaque medium. Less accurate but more widely used is "Writing Chinese characters," getting 2,840,000 results on Google but the vast majority of them not purposefully referring to 書法. Less accurate names use "calligraphy" (usually defined as "the 31: 412: 2184:
very similar to Chinese calligraphy. Arguably Mongolian calligraphy should also be included in "East Asian calligraphy". But since the Mongolians don't use Chinese characters, their calligraphy won't share many of the common features of Chinese/Japanese/Korean calligraphy, including the names of styles, etc. As I said, perhaps rather tangential, but it seems that we need to look at the whole picture in making any kind of decision.
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included in "the Orient", depending on your standpoint). "Chinese" isn't very good because using this term implicitly excludes Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. That leaves expressions like "East Asian", which is also less than satisfactory because it usually excludes Vietnam (geographically now considered a part of "South East Asia").
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I agree with Bathrobe. Between separate articles repeating mostly the same information and one general article, I'd pick the one general article. However, one can still account for differences among different regions in the one article, at least until the information makes the article too long. But I
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DETAILS The dispute is an old one and predates Knowledge by years. However the important matter is that this dispute has nothing to do with the China related articles that I authored. The Knowledge editor (Enfermero) has used her authority to discredit and disfigure articles relating to China that I
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Another problem that is probably tangential to the whole question is the place of Mongolian. I don't know enough about Mongolian calligraphy, but if you look at the samples conjured up by a Google search of "Mongolian calligraphy", you'll find calligraphy that is distinctly "brush and ink" and looks
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As for GraYoshi's point that "it just doesn't seem right to bundle 3 different languages into one general article", I find it difficult to agree. They are different languages, but they share a common script in Chinese characters and their spinoffs. Calligraphy is about writing, not about language.
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I have authored a series of articles on Chinese literature and art. These works were filled with unsightly tags and basically defaced by a hostile administator (Enfermo) in conjuction with another indiviual (jcrin). Both of these people are Mormons who are hostile to me for opposing their Mormon
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In the end, if one wants to side with accuracy while sacrificing widespread usage, I would choose "Hanography" and "Writing Chinese characters." If one wants widespread usage while sacrificing accuracy, I would use "Chinese calligraphy." I really can't recommend names that refer to regions like
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To look at the situation in the West, the big difference between East and West is that there can be an article with a simple name like "Cathedrals" that can cover European countries as well as North and South America, etc. This avoids tedious conflicts over whether the article should be named
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Because the tradition usually started with China and emanated to the other countries, the next problem is what to call it. The term "Oriental" would be a very good one, but nowadays people don't like to use "Oriental", and moreover it's inherently imprecise (Turkey, Iran, and India can all be
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I know I suggested separate articles on August 21 2009, but I describe the articles about Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese calligraphy to be only about differences from Chinese calligraphy, and this is in a situation where all of the information about East Asian calligraphy gets too
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The proponents of keeping it "East Asian calligraphy" argue that, as opposed to "East Asian calligraphy," "Chinese calligraphy" excludes calligraphy that is specific to Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. In order to account for each region's respective calligraphies, separate articles, e.g.
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of them simply seem to refer to the northern parts of what is now Dongbei, i.e. areas that are still part of China. Others seem entirely fictional. None of the excerpts available on google books is sufficient to place Outer Manchuria north of the Amur/Ussuri rivers. The situation on
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I'd say splitting it would be a good idea since it just doesn't seem right to bundle 3 different languages into one general article, but definitely don't do the sloppy copy and paste job again. Might need a bit of rewriting in order to properly differentiate the articles too.
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policy page, a Request For Comment, (RFC) is now being held to debate the removal of the passage specifying that individual WikiProject and other naming conventions are able to make exceptions to the standard policy of using Common Names as the titles of Knowledge articles.
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I have mentioned repeatedly that it does not fit the content of the page and looks horrible aesthetically, nor is there really any other precedent with other geographical templates. I would like to propose that all Chinese geographical templates retain the default colours.
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of writing") such as "Chinese calligraphy," "Japanese calligraphy," "Korean calligraphy," and "Vietnamese calligraphy." These names' respective results are 757,000; 152,000; 39,100; 8,520. However, a look at "Korean calligraphy" on Google Images usually shows images of
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At any rate, the current article on East Asian calligraphy is a crappy, fragmented article. The article on Japanese calligraphy is also a rather choppy article. I'm not sure what the status quo ante was, and it would be nice to know before I venture too many
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There is one major objection to many of the above terms: they are not common English terminology. "Sinography", "Hanography", etc. would be, if adopted, "Wikipedianisms", not normal English usage. I think virtually all these new-fangled terms can be ruled
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I just thought of another possibility. That is, using romanized Sinospheric terms. "Shufa" gets 1,480,000 results. "Shodo" gets 401,000. "Seoye" gets 21,000. "Thu phap" gets 607,000. Again, however, the images of "Thu phap" are in Latin characters.
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Well, instead of a Task Force for Pearl River Delta, why not just have a Task Force for whole of Guangdong? Outside of Shenzhen and Zhuhai related articles, there aren't that much about the PRD that's not already covered in WP:HK and WP:Macau.
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regarding topics about the Sinosphere. One can't satisfy all the naming conventions, so one has to compromise on some of them. Given that there be one article about the study of writing Han characters (as opposed to other Chinese characters like
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track the daily hits received by articles under our project's purview. Hopefully, this will allow us to see what is most important to our readers, and by extension, what most desperately needs improvement. The info should appear at
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sounds good – it would help to clear up contentious things in Cantonese articles, like Vietnamese takeover of the history/prehistory articles... or language issues, and probably can be associated with the large diaspora population.
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I find that "Chinese calligraphy" should refer to both calligraphy in China and calligraphy in Chinese characters. Scripts and other aspects that are specific to other regions should be accounted for in their own articles.
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I'm starting to see things a bit more clearly. This issue is one of those intractable problems associated with the break-up of the Sinosphere (Chinese cultural zone). You will find similar problems with things like
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tradition, to which it is intimately and organically tied, on the grounds that it is a "different language" is missing the point. All of these peoples recognise that they form part of the same tradition.
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It is probably Wáng Shìfú. The last character might be "fù" instead, but there is no way of knowing how he pronounced his name without hearing him or someone who knew him pronounce it.--
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I'm quite confused about what has happened here. The splitting, copying, pasting etc. that people are talking about is hard to figure out from looking the history of the article.
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Hello! I created the above article and request someone who can translate Chinese articles to help with adding information on her singles, awards, etc. Thanks! Sincerely, --
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I think this discussion should be held on its talk page for more accessibility. I'm more against the cut-and-past splitting which erases the whole history of contribution.---
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The above "notification" is a grossly biased misrepresentation of the changes under discussion. The old version of the naming conventions policy tried to lay down binding
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Please, we need as many people as possible to discuss sudden sweeping changes over at "Cantonese", which is now re-named "Yue Chinese". Join the discussion
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have to be created. Another problem is that, as opposed to "East Asian calligraphy," it excludes calligraphy in other writing systems and glyphs such as
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If this term comes from the Chinese, this should be mentioned in the article, otherwise I guess the article should be up for deletion or merging with
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After a recent request, I added WikiProject China to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by
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has been created for those people wishing to show on their user pages how many of the 33 province-level regions they have visited. Entering
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Some people in China thought that ROC is a part of China,so I don't think it's a good propose.Raintwoto 17:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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One of the articles is probably redundant. Maybe someone with some more expertise in Qing-era administration could look into this.
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I realise I haven't advanced the discussion much, but I hope that editors are at least aware of similar naming issues elsewhere.
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The proponents of renaming it "Chinese calligraphy" argue that because the article is mostly about the study of writing
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How about a little more details? It sounds like you have a personal despite with whomever you are edit-warring with.
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Can you also add WPHongKong and WPMacau? I looked at it and seemed like it is limited to B class articles or better?
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My take is that the "Chinese" in "Chinese calligraphy" can refer either to calligraphy in China or calligraphy in
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I don't know which user keeps insisting on changing the templates to reflect the colour of the Chinese flag. See:
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but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at
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Is this a term from Chinese? In English, it only exists since 2005 or so, at least according to google books.
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article which appears to be mostly about the history of calligraphy in Japan. Perhaps if the current article
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don't think there is quite enough information right now for separate articles. There's just that anomalous
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It was proposed that the article be renamed "Chinese calligraphy." However, there is opposition to this.
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Dears, please correct the spelling of Khunjrab. it is Khunjrave( wakhi name which means Stream of blood
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is Shifuku Oh (王 仕福), who was Chinese – What is the Chinese reading of Shifuku Oh's given name? Thanks
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Similar problems can also be found in Western Europe, actually. For instance, there is an article on
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Hello, there is a contest against totally undiscussed cut-and-paste blanking/merging/splitting of
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sanctified historical ideas. I want the tags removed. They hinder the reder and are unsightly.--
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They probably would cover the areas commonly thought of as suburbs of Beijing and Shanghai.
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is irrelevant from the calligraphic point of view. To cut Japanese adrift from the Chinese
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I don't think I have to say this, but let let us keep this on topic. Talk about me goes in
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Suzhou in Jiangsu is clearly more prominent than Suzhou, Anhui. It's analogous to say, "
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It looks like it tracks pages regardless of their assessment class. See for example
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These wouldn't just cover the cities, right? They'd cover surround areas as well?
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Would anyone be interested in starting task forces for Beijing and Shanghai?
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Would like some help with setting a solid article name of languages like
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on the freenode IRC network where the project is coordinated. (See the
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When Chinese write 木 and Japanese write 木, the fact that one is read
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Or maybe the PRD should cover all the cities in this list –
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Therefore, I propose that there be the following articles:
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There's something really wrong with that. It has several
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Then, Caspian blue reverted my edits. 511:An article covered by this WikiProject, 170:An article covered by this WikiProject, 2885:National Taiwan Democracy Memorial Hall 1578:Raintwoto 17:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC) 3061:, it'd cover what's not covered under 1766:. One may need other articles such as 1742:, it should be named to reflect that. 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 2223:Thanks. I can't find anything in the 690:. Thanks in advance for your help. -- 7: 2641:Talk:Unequal Treaties#Requested move 406: 3127:Pearl River Delta#Metropolitan area 2849:has been proposed to be renamed as 2855:Talk:Invasion of Tibet (1950–1951) 2501: 718:Chinese language transwiki project 423:34 province-level regions of China 24: 2424:, as it's the only one. 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