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1156:, and other pages which do not fall within the scope of any children projects, and probably at least geologic history and most of African history, both of which I think are currently orphan subjects. Of course, such umbrella projects would also have their own membership, such as it is, and any other individuals interested could take part in any discussion on their project pages. So, in the event that there is no coordinator, like in a one or two person project, any interested and informed member of the project could be bold and appoint themselves, like is currently done with a lot of the featured article removal discussions. I honestly don't know whether turning a project like History into one more focused on the areas of history which do not fall under the scope of any existing project would work or not, although I wound tend to think it would to at least a certain degree. I have made another rather vague proposal on their talk page to this effect. And, yes, at leat count, counting task forces and inactive projects, it's a bit over 1100 (I came up with 1,104) total. 2124:

often that it would probably be outdated by the end of the day, particularly with existing members creating sockpuppets to get their own project numbers up, something I see as being a virtual certainty in at least some cases. And, of course, there are projects where people sign in just to officially be a member and never edit a single article thereafter, as well as cases of people who may have joined a project years ago, died within the week, and still remain listed as members of the project because no one took their names off. But those four are among the projects with the most members and the most complex structures. I think Germany qualifies as well, and maybe now Cats (with Cat breeds evidently having been absorbed when I wasn't looking), but those four or more (possibly including others) should be enough to give any other projects a rough idea of how a larger, more complicated project manages to continue to function.

3135:(The examples you give are interesting, however, in that I've come to the conclusion that this may apply less to projects dealing with popular culture topics. Unlike more traditional academic disciplines, where the expected editorial grouping is "people interested in subject X", the smaller pop-culture projects are based more on groupings of the form "people who are fans of X". The practical effect of this is that attempts to coalesce projects over fandom lines don't work as expected; while, for example, editors working on French military history and editors working on British military history will easily find common ground as editors of military history, editors working on, say, Star Trek and editors working on Firefly 2742:, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at 2485:

more or less the same after a while. Does anyone think it might be a good idea to perhaps issue one regular "Project Post" (or whatever) which would discuss the major developments in all of the projects collectively. The things that I think would most likely be included would be the featured and good content raised up over the past month, the new projects and task forces developed in the past month, one or a few articles about certain specific projects, and a kind of letters/open forum section. Maybe it could be constructed along the lines of an average portal. I think that doing so would have a few advantages:

715:. Meteorology is the parent project of Tropical cyclones, although TC is much older, much more organized, and is farther ahead on the curve than Meteorology, which is just gaining steam. However, there's still the recognition that TC is a "subproject" of Meteorology, although WPTC is completely independent of the other one. Merger talks are nowhere in the foreseeable future, but there's still a good degree of collaboration between the two. Perhaps that is a good approach to take initially, to try to attack the problem from a general, broad perspective (perhaps WP:SPACE would encompass broad articles such as 3132:

sub-sub-sub-projects that people tend to create.) There's not too much that can be done to help the very broad projects, I think—the lack of any real sense of editorial community on such a scale means that a lot of things aren't really viable—but the very small projects are often better off being absorbed by a "large enough to function" project in the form of task forces (or a similar grouping). This eliminates the need for them to actually maintain any of the more labor-intensive processes that WikiProjects take part in, which means that the small pool of labor is no longer a problem in practical terms.

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that would be an attractive enough benefit to not only organize them better, but wouldn't really require starting up a new project all by yourself. It doesn't really matter if we call them full projects or task forces, but as long as we have better cross-collaboration. Think of it like each WikiProject is an apartment to live in, and we've just moved them into the same apartment building. As long as the groups don't feel anything is being taken away, or demoted, then it should go pretty smoothly. A place for all space projects to cross-collaborate whenever they need to. --

2647:. All members should feel free to add their names to the list if they count themselves a primary contact for a given project. Also, if there is someone outside of the Council who serves as a primary contact for a given project, members should feel free to contact that person to add their name to the contact list, as well as to join the Council if they so desire. Come the end of December, I will be contacting the various projects which do not yet have listed "contacts" to ask them which member should be listed. 2265:

also already has one specific award for a kind of "Wikipedian of the Year" award, and I was just thinking that a "Project of the Year" award might also be somewhat appropriate. (Kind of like "Best Actor" and "Best Movie" awards, as it were.) However, I still think that the decision regarding who should be considered for being an examplar project/featured project should take place whether Esperanza does what they might be planning or not. Maybe jumping the gun a little bit here, but I'm starting a page at

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that I had just replaced their banners with my new project's, thus removing the applicable articles from their assessment system, and so forth. (And this is not merely a theoretical point, either. We have, right now, at least one pair of independent but totally redundant WikiProjects; there has been a tense status quo maintained because neither is really stepping on each other's toes too much, but a restriction preventing them from double-tagging articles would obviously force the issue.)

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Chemistry has begun things like a Collaboration - and last month's one was in effect a Chemicals article. The projects are semi-independent, but they share the same Chemistry template, and the assessments are all pooled together into one big "Chemistry article by quality" list (along with some other sub-projects like "Elements"). This hybrid model may work if the sub-projects are more active than I thought. Above all, though, keep things friendly, and things will work best that way!

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newsletter. Would anyone be willing to maybe help create and produce such a newsletter? I guess I see it basically introducing the new projects, maybe with descriptions of them, and maybe some centralized discussion of how to deal with new proposed or contemplated projects or workgroups. That last part might be particularly appealing, as it could help prevent creation of new projects which only get abandoned or deleted for lack of support shortly later.

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suggestions - a project either would be regarded as exemplary or not. And of course, this could always be rescinded should someone de-nominate it. The only intention here is to collate the projects which best serve as examples for up and coming WikiProjects. As projects are constantly in flux (and are expected to be), a non-equivalence to featured status needs to be emphasized. Keeping this to a limited and practical number is therefore important.

31: 2869:)? These templates say that people should comment on the article ratings and its quality, which is good, of course. But they are directed to a /comments-subpage of the talk page, which doesn't make any sense to me. Why should we create a new subpage to say what someone thinks of the article, instead of using the article's talk page? This just seems to create a second talk page for an article, it seems. -- 1867: 3858:

were just changed to use more neutral phrasing. As I am somewhat peripherally involved in the project already (I'm one of the three most recently joined members), and also an active member of just about every religion project out there, I think that in this case it might just have been someone using "overenthusiastic" and POV phrasing, not necessarily implying rampant POV behind the project though.

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articles in their topic area, and several broad guidelines (especially naming conventions) have been established by WikiProjects and expanded in scope. But since Knowledge (XXG) runs on the principle of consensus, a consensus within a small group of people cannot override a consensus within a larger group, or that of Knowledge (XXG) as a whole. For instance, if a WikiProject on <some game: -->

1711:, wouldn't it be a good idea to gather them all to one page (say under WikiProject Council). This would help outsiders (relative to the project) to see what's going on with wikiprojects, and maybe get them interested in some projects. The page could be a overview of new newsletters published in one month (or depending on the volume). Usable idea? Doable? Ideas? 2220:

maybe awarding winner status to those projects which have clearly been most productive/successful during the past year. If we wanted to get carried away with ourselves, we might even create two different ones, one for the larger projects and one for the smaller projects, so that the most successful smaller projects could be recognized as well.

1252:? I certainly think that both should link it, but as discussed previously regarding WP Indian cinema, I believe that the UVA project has more in common, editing-wise, with the other university projects. Task forces should probably be located within their content parent, not their geographic one (unless the two are substantially the same). 1394:

shouldn't be coming up with things that conflict with major policies, I see nothing wrong with developing exceptions/special cases/etc. to issues of formatting, layout, usage, and so forth for particular areas where the Knowledge (XXG)-wide guidance may not make sense; this happens quite often, and is generally entirely uncontroversial.

1511:. (After all, the MoS is a guideline, and not policy). The MoS's purpose is to try to maintain consistency within Knowledge (XXG); consistency within a topic is relevant as well, but as long as a WikiProject's guidelines are not drastically different from Knowledge (XXG) guidelines, these "violations" are just not controversial. 2080:, particularly for those projects which believe that they themselves might have need in the future for such a large and complicated organization. I guess I would maybe appreciate some input from the others as to where and how, probably in the Guide, we would list such larger projects whose work is particularly effective. 1219:

partially what this place provides? A neutral ground for projects to discuss such things? I'm not saying that our scope explicitly involves dispute resolution - at least not any more than any other WikiProject would regarding the articles within it. But IIRC, surely this was one of the establishing points of WP Council?

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different fields coming in to update it regularly. I think having it made maybe bi-monthly would be the best way to go for regular updates, since that would allow some of the contributors time to do other stuff too between issues. As for the title, what sort of documents do "councils" get? Maybe a Council Briefing?

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always a good guide. Some projects will be very "inward looking" - endlessly debating whether the Series 5 Weapons infobox should be blue or read, while not taking much interest in what happens outside their project - they will typically not have good practices to follow. Good parameters to consider IMHO:

3168:, within which would be situated all the various projects making a claim for the article, and beside each project entry would be an "info" link, that when clicked, would expand the entry to show the basic info for the project that we now see in project banners. Just thinking off the top of my head here. 3842:

is not a project for believers in the paranormal, but a project to improve Knowledge (XXG)'s coverage of the paranormal. WikiProject Rational Skepticism, in contrast, casts itself as "the central hub for Skeptical Wikipedians to get together and work on improving Knowledge (XXG)" and seeks to "serve

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The article quality promotion was really only indicated to (1) let projects show off recent work and (2) let people know exactly which articles have been promoted to maybe help keep an eye on them and possibly, for good articles, improve them further. Right now, I know of no official list of recently

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said above. I can well see how having such examples available would make it easier for someone looking to found a new project to have a good example of what works. I only mentioned the Appreciation Week proposal because one of the proposals regarding it is that it be kind of the annual awards program

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is intending to hold some sort of Appreciation Week in maybe January. I know this might be kind of controversial, but what would the rest of you think of maybe giving out a sort of "Project of the Year" award during this Appreciation Week, listing at least several of the top projects as nominees, and

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Actually, I think all four mentioned above qualify as having a substantial number of members, particularly counting all their official and unofficial subjprojects. And I wasn't thinking of trying to create a list of projects by number of members, or anything like that, because those numbers change so

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I think the ones that would be most useful would be the ones that do all the three main actions (assessment, peer review, and collaboration), and possibly have official or unofficial subgroups as well. The ones that come to mind immediately are Biography, Military History, India, and Australia, but I

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There has been one complaint recently about the stub-sorting project. Personally, I think that, in this particular case, the complaint is less than well-founded. I can see how it might be beneficial if some projects whose scope covers matters of vital importance to a variety of other projects were to

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As for the idea of projects working together, WP Chemicals (sub-project) and WP Chemistry (umbrella) do this well, I think. Chemicals was much more active last year, and Chemistry did very little, but many of the chemists naturally joined both. Nowadays both projects are roughly equally active, and

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No - not yet. It's relatively easy for me to get it to only list new PRs - but now I have to ask for a definition of new (at least to start with). How about those created within the last five days (or sooner??)? I'll be ready to put this fix in the bot in a few hours - currently it's running about

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Beyond that, the question of "most specific" WikiProjects is tied fairly closely to the question of pre-approval of WikiProject creation. There is little, at the moment, that would prevent me from creating "WikiProject Firefly episode 3"; but the Firefly project would probably not be happy to learn

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I do like the idea of maybe issuing only one overall project newsletter per month or two, maybe something a bit more detailed and changing than many of the current newsletters, given their size and scope, may often be. It would also probably involve less man-hours in the development of just one such

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Only comment I might have is some people belong to several projects, with some only minimal involvement in some with major involvement in others. I would love to see maybe at least one link listed to every project that has a member who is also in the Council, but think in some cases listing all of a

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The bot runs for any given category and returns a list of all articles in that category, as well as the current status of each article (ie FA, stub, start etc). I hope the potential benefit of this bot is clear in helping those trying to keep tabs on the status of articles within categories relevant

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The entire dispute from which this issue arises is something of a bizarrely degenerate case, actually; most of the time, the issue of which guideline is better doesn't come up, because the WikiProject's guideline/convention/whatever is clearly seen to be more reasonable than the "official" one. The

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Well, as I mentioned above, WP Virginia could still of course retain linkage to the task force (including listing it as one of their task forces too). I'm just saying that, for organization and consistency, the UVA project should be an explicit task force subsection of WP Uni. As many other projects

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Some of the top-level projects (the one of particular interest to me being WikiProject History) are obviously nonfunctional, at this point; based on my experience, I suspect that this problem is a fundamental one when dealing with a too-broad scope. I don't know to what extent a practical hierarchy

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The existence of project coordinators is not something that can really be assumed throughout. While I would argue (obviously) that they're useful—at least in very large projects—they are also viewed with disfavor by people who regard the idea as overly hierarchic and bureaucratic. I suspect that a

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Has anyone considered contacting the GA people and possibly suggesting a change? Maybe, like Military history is doing now, it could change the official designation to "A" and maybe require two reviewers, not one. Or maybe some other criteria could be used. It could still be a bit less rigorous than

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These are all fine and good, but as this will have to be somewhat subjective at the end of the day, let's not dance around it. Why not simply list projects by consensus agreement of WP Council members that they are good example projects? At least then we can cite the nomination and support (or lack

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Raw numbers of members is a bad idea IMHO - I have seen some projects that have a lot of members listed yet they are inactive, and others that were very active and successful with only 2 or 3 members. The talk page of a project can give some idea if read critically - but even there, activity isn't

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For the newsletter collection to work best, I would think we want to ensure that each of the larger projects, and maybe most of the smaller ones, have a member or two who are specifically requested to add updates to it. To do so, these people would probably be optimally members of the Council. Does

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I submit that we should consider actively promoting more WP migration to task forces. It also increases the membership of the larger projects, which (hopefully) will allow them to become stronger and more useful. We don't need more or less WikiProjects, but we can certainly use more excellent ones!

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I was actually taking task forces into account, implicitly, as being basically separate projects. I guess I would think of any task forces as being children of the main project as well as, potentially, of any other applicable projects (like maybe national projects when dealing with Military history

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It has recently occurred to me just how many projects are out there, and how we might be facing either direct conflicts between projects and other wikipedia content issues, and might be better able to coordinate activity so that content and related issues could be more harmoniously handled. On that

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I think one difference here is that many of those subprojects are pretty inactive (last I looked at them - a few months back). They were very active 2-3 years ago then things died out. They (if anyone is still watching the pages) may be glad to consolidate activities into one broader project that

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is not a recognized state or entity. In the same way the stubs for such unrecognized states/entities have been deleted (the Tfd for Abkhazia-stub just closed couple of days ago, and TRNC-stub is always speedily deleted), there is a fundamental problem with such unrecognized and undefined entities.

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And this becomes more important, obviously, as further functionality gets rolled into project banners. For example, some WikiProject banners have parameters that give access to the project's peer reviews, collaborations, etc.; if this banner gets replaced by a new ("more specific") project's one,

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I'm not entirely sure what's being asked. Is the banner about the actor specifically? In most cases, a WikiProject based around a single actor wouldn't be viable anyways. Or are these articles about actors being assessed by other WikiProjects (e.g. Film or Biography)? In that case, I don't see

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True, that. (Keep in mind, though, that consensus can be formed in different places, and isn't necessarily limited by the role of those. In other words, a consensus of three people on some obscure MoS page doesn't automatically carry more weight than a consensus of thirty people on a WikiProject

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Broadly speaking, a WikiProject's guidelines get their "power" from the fact that the members of the project—who are generally a large portion of the editors in a particular area—are presumably supporting them, not because of some partiular official status of the project itself. While WikiProjects

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I actually proposed both to the originiator of the project, favoring WikiProject Virginia because it has a red-link section on its project page dealing explicitly with education. Also, it seems to me that the people in a particular state might be more familiar with a school than someone across the

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Indeed. As a practical point, though, the first targets for absorption into task forces should likely be projects that are inactive, as they're generally quite easy to deal with. Once those are cleaned up, we'll be in a much better position to figure out how to shuffle around the groups that are

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One way you could ease the other projects into this would be to still call them WikiProjects, but still move their pages as subpages. Then explain that the "parent" space is for them to use for cross-collaboration, such as template sharing, style issues that cross over more than once, etc. I think

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guideline. However, it is certainly possible that the members of the project might think that people of their opinion are outnumbered in wikipedia, and don't want fervent believers of any stripe joining in to "undermine" the project's work. Personally, I think it would be best if the project page

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There is, generally speaking, a certain range of scopes for which WikiProjects tend to "work"; scopes that are either too broad or too narrow tend to be problematic. (Thus, for example, a lot of the top-level projects, like History and Culture, are fairly useless, as are a lot of the very narrow

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recently created an "alternative" to the Signpost. It really hasn't gotten much support, and was in fact nominated for deletion. But it did make me think of the idea of a single, unitary, project update notice. If you look at them all, many/most of the individual project newsletters begin to look

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of wikipedia, with any projects or other groups who wish to do so appearing to present awards to the members or others that they believe merit receiving them. I thought it might be a good idea to let everyone who reads this know that, particularly if they haven't already heard of the proposal. It

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As a consequence of our structure, there is no such thing as "jurisdiction" on Knowledge (XXG). Therefore a WikiProject cannot claim jurisdiction over the articles in its topic area, nor claim immunity to existing policies and guidelines. Obviously WikiProjects are given large leeway to write the

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If you can think of something that would be offered by the umbrella project which is not offered by the majority of "child" projects (assessment, collaboration, and/or peer review come to mind immediately), while still allowing the child projects to operate largely independently, you might have a

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A counterargument to the theoretical problem would be that the Knowledge (XXG) namespace would then contain passive content like policies and guidelines, while the Project namespace would contain pages that help people to participate on Knowledge (XXG). A counterargument to the practical problem

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Just add {{Subprojects}} to any WikiProject page. It handles the title, et al, and then, using the edit button on it, you can change the listing. It's based off the To-do boxes. I'm probably going to change it from Subprojects to Work Groups or suchlike, since it was originally intended to house

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I think it's inappropriate to talk about "going from GA to A". An A-Class assessment not an "award" in the way GA or FA is; it is an internal judgement by a WikiProject that the article is pretty well written and complete. A GA or FA designation indicates that external reviewers judge that the

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In general terms, I think an overall WikiProject newsletter could be useful, but I'm not entirely convinced that it's needed for discussing article quality promotion. If such a newsletter is launched, I would think that it should deal with project administration news; items like updates to the

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A WikiProject's guidelines are meaningful because they (presumably) represent a consensus of editors working on some particular topic. This is not to say that WikiProjects can do unreasonable things; but, if the editors who are actually writing articles on X decide that some section of the MoS

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specific a project is a valid concern, but I think that can be sorted out via (at best) common sense or (at worst) an MfD. I do think your comment about popular culture being a different beast than, say, various veins of military history is spot on; I hadn't actually thought about it that much

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for an example). Would it be possible to develop some sort of javascript dropdown that can contain all the WikiProject banners? I've seen previous discussion regarding combining all the templates into one meta-template at the top but I know that is impractical. I believe a javascript drop down

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have been fuelled mainly by what I could find on WP:BIO, WP:MILHIST, and WP:COMICS, because these are the ones I saw mentioned as being amongst the biggest and most successful projects. A list of the largest projects would surely be useful to founders of fledgling projects looking to expand.

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it if it could have some sort of automatically generated content included, like a list of GA and FA promotions and demotions of the past month, and maybe a link to a list of the existing portals. If it could be done on a regular basis, though, we'd need quite a few contributors from a lot of

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What's so wrong with being the founder of a task force? :) None of us are Jimmy Wales (Jimmy excepted), so there's not much glory in trying to plant flags, AFAIK. After all, all (non-WP:NOT) articles fall under the scope of Knowledge (XXG)! As far as getting the projects talking...isn't that

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I was thinking something more akin to featured status (though not equivalent) - simply that projects can be nom'd and also denom'd at will, and chosen by group consensus. The major difference would be that it would solely be a mark of distinction, and therefore there would be no comments or

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and so forth. Their is very little info on the Assyrian empire on wiki, and every Assyrian king page is a stub, with the exception of a couple. The project will have two "groups" where one will work on ancient Assyrian related articles, and another group working on modern Assyrian issues.

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That kind of defeats the purpose GA was supposed to serve, although that point has been lost somewhat. GA was initially a process whereby people just tagged or detagged articles they thought were or were not good. Overtime it has become more elaborate. There would be some opposition to

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What about this for vague and controversial? More actively integrating descendant WikiProjects into parent ones as task forces. I don't know if this is completely doable (ie - making every TV show-centric WP into a task force for WP Television), but in other cases such as the multiple

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Honors and whatnot being consolidated (an FA article that has appeared on the front page currently gets two banners for that, plus a possible peer review banner, etc.). Same with "this article passed an XfD on whenever", that for contested articles/templates/whatever, can get a bit

1187:. What does being a WikiProject allow them which being a task force of WP Films does not? As a task force, they can still have their own pages and largely their own autonomy, while being connected to a larger resource of people (thus advertising their task force's work better). 3250:

I suspect there are technical issues there, though. It's only recently that we've gotten the ability to use links inside gallery tags, for example; I can only imagine what trying to parse something like that when the contents spit out arbitrary template code would be like.

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So then shouldn't the order be like B, A, GA, then FA. I am asking this cause when i first saw the scale it looked as if A was higher then GA and if that is true, then all A articles should be GA articles, only a bit better. which is not the case for Comics's A articles.

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Ah, ok. It'll be interesting to see what happens with regard to the section heading difference once the two review types are listed on the same page; the project peer reviews typically create a new heading for each editor's comments, while the main peer review does not.

3644:. It doesn't matter much to me if we want to include an importance rating for lists; such an update will actually simplify the TWP banner code a little (I don't know about the other banners, but it's one less class parameter value that needs special treatment for TWP). 3470:

I think the whole criteria should change. Lists and some templates and categories could be highly important to the understanding of a particular subject yet they are not given a rating properly other than "list", "template" or "category", as though of minor importance.

656:; the problem is, i don't know how conceivable this idea is.. 15 wikiprojects is a lot to merge, so it seems like a lot of work. what do you think the first step in this direction would be? start contacting them one at a time, saying "hey, do you guys wanna become a 1092:

regarding how I think we might be able to address some of these concerns. As stated there, I welcome any responses, and recongize up front that the majority of them may well be on the negative side. Please criticize it or praise it as fully as you wish. Thank you.

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I would opine that WikiProjects establish conventions rather than guidelines. If these conventions are in contradiction to the MoS, then the MoS should trump them, unless they decide to bring the conventions to MoS as a proposal. This isn't particularly uncommon.

1205:, to do just this when it was put up for deletion. I think the problem is the emotionalism which goes into the foundation of new projects, and the factor that some people really, really like to describe themselves as founders of projects. Not that I can think of 3220:

Well, technically, the same stuff (including code) that is included in a banner template could be placed in a standard WikiProject transcludable subpage, perhaps /reginfo, and it would exist on the article talk page but be hidden until the info link is clicked.

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Where I've seen a few problems is not with the style and formatting of articles, but with individual WikiProjects wanting to go their own way with templates, categorizdation, etc. One topic that seems to get rehashed occasionally is the relationship between the

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It looks like I wasn't very clear here; when I mentioned peer reviews, I didn't mean project to-do lists containing some arbitrary peer reviews, but rather links to project peer reviews of that specific article. For example, note the MILHIST review links on

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While I'm not advocating abolishing it at all, is there any reason if an article has attained GA to even go for A? It would seem more logical to go the whole hog and go for FA straight from GA - although there may be exceptional cases I haven't thought of.

1492:. There's no need to clutter up the main MoS, and I believe it's linked from the main MoS section on chemistry. However, nothing in there contravenes the main MoS - as stated above, the main MoS should normally trump anything produced by a WikiProject. 3572:

and nominate it for deletion. So if you can lay out some clear guidelines on how to rate lists, I think we would love to include them. If there aren't clear guidelines, it is really challenging to rate articles in a meaningful way. Any suggestions?

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anyway), and, as many projects do keep tabs of how their articles are doing, it would be useful. I know how difficult it has been for me to keep track of how many new good articles are determined, and figured it might be useful to other projects too.

2421:. However it's a relatively broad topic and I have never created a wikiproject before so I could use some help on the technical aspect of things. If anyone has some free time (bwahaha, no really), I'd appreciate it if you stopped by and lent a hand. 2761:

Has it ever been considered to create a new namespace for WikiProjects? Or "reuse" the Project: namespace (which is synonymous with the Knowledge (XXG): namespace) and drop the WikiProject prefix? I believe shorter titles are better (for example,

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assessment procedures and associated bots (like the backup that Oleg's doing nightly in case the bot goes wonky) or interproject relationships (like the discussion a while ago on subprojects and task forces) would be entirely appropriate here.

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page as I described. Comments? Feel free to rv. if needed. Also wikiprojects can be notified to deliver their newsletters straight to the page. Still the current name "/Signpost" for the subpage doesn't really describe the content? Suggestions?

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be in some way more accountable or responsive to other projects. Unfortunately, like in this particular space, I can't see how to in any way actively enforce that without serious and probably counterproductive changes to the existing structure.

1140:, I think that maybe the other "umbrella" projects might be workable if they somewhat limited their current focus to general subject-related matters and those areas not explicitly covered elsewhere. History, for example, could cover the article 2382:

I'm not sure either. I know of no specific project which focuses on a single actor, so I have to assume that the banner in question is one of a project like Biography or Film which feels the article to fall within their scope. Also, I suppose

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and some other specific similar situations, but I couldn't really object to seeing them included in the those categories as they are significant to that project. It would help to know what specific articles and banners are being referred to.

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Collaborative work on setting standards & policies - subject-specific citation guidelines, style guides, image guidelines and the like - a project that can produce "mature" information like this is usually pretty active and working well

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Given that the specific project usually has a lot more to do with the actual maintenance of the article than any parent project, I think we should organize them that way, rather than the other way around, which I've seen proposed before.

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I have no problems with it. If you're going to be fiddling with the list anyways, you might want to look at figuring out some standard way of linking to WikiProjects there (as just about everyone has formatted the links differently).

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as a nexus and discussion area for skeptically-inclined contributors". The members emphasized in response to our concerns that their goal is to improve Knowledge (XXG), but are project entry conditions an appropriate way to do so?

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I know this is not impossible, but I don't know how this would be reflected in the article's talk page, and how projects would use it. Perhaps we should start a new thread on this, or point us to where this was discussed before.

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projects, it might be for the best. On the other hand, having task forces for individual shows within WP TV probably isn't a bad thing either, as the task force page can more or less function identically to the current WP page.

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where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.

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Nope. The order was originally B, A, FA, but then GA was shoehorned in; but a number of projects feel that the GA system is not reliable enough, leaving the requirement for a pre-FA level that the projects can use internally.

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Hmm, I see. Maybe it just should be made clearer that these subpages are not for discussing the quality of the articles themselves. At least I got the impression that the subpages were supposed to be used that way until now.

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they were using, so I gave them this and a auto-updating monthly project banner in the same style (with a talk-page interface for setting up the next few projects. Thought it might be useful for other medium-sized projects.

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There's no mention of task forces; they tend to make things considerably simpler, as they institute an explicit hierarchical organization, and prevent narrow "sub-projects" from being left off with no attention from their

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Should an actor have a project banner with class/importance ratings? I was thinking no, because then some pages would be completely cluttered with banners, but then I've come across some actor articles with them. Thanks,

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Getting rid of it seems to be the best approach. (Which is not to say that either a newsletter, or a way of getting WikiProjects featured in the Signpost, would be bad ideas; but this isn't a working version of either.)

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would be that this is only a one-time cost which can slowly repay itself over a longer period. But if this has been reject several time already starting another discussion on this subject would not be helpful, I guess. —

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Mmm, the first step should be setting up the Space project itself with all the infrastructure it needs to run as an umbrella project. Active projects are generally not going to want to become task forces of an inactive

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An excellent point for discussion, thank you for raising it. In principle I agree, though in practice there is a problem; rating a list can be really difficult, both for quality and for importance. How would you rate

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without response, I'm running the bot now. Only peer reviews transcluded on subscribing WikiProject peer review pages from after the current run will be automatically listed on the PR page (to avoid a flood). Thanks

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where we can have the members, I hope, discuss which projects would deserve consideration for this recognition and why. I think it would probably function best if it were done like some of the existing projects, like

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The theoretical: there's no particular division between WikiProjects and all the other stuff that's in the Knowledge (XXG) namespace; so splitting the two would be rather counterintuitive, and would merely create an

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Would be an interesting thing to do, but I have no idea how to do select the list without being entirely subjective. Anyone want to compile some sort of useful statistics on the various WikiProjects we could use?

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it in sentence case; thus, "WikiProject Giant robots and colossal monsters". There are some exceptions to this, though; I've seen a few projects go for full capitalization. It's not really a big deal either way.

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and also helps assess the quality of articles. But she does not seem to understand it a bit. I would really appreciate if someone from this project, please comment at WP:ANI and help explain this to her. Thanks,

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Personally, I equate GA to A. Some WikiProjects have A higher than GA. It really doesn't matter and its up to your WikiProject. GA does need to work on getting its credibility up but many are against any type of

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in mid-prose (and yes, that has happened) and the rest of Knowledge (XXG) says that looks ugly and unreadable (and runs counter to the MOS, for that matter), the project does not get to keep their funky colors.

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Do wikiprojects have the authority to set guidelines for articles within their subject area? Assuming they do, can they set guidelines that are exceptions to, or in conflict with overall wikipedia guidelines?

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know there are other groups as well. As I'm going through the Project Directory to add the recent additions now, I should be able to do this at around the same time and report back either today or tomorrow.

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disruption—thousands of page moves, hundreds of broken templates, etc.—which could only be justified by some significant benefits. A slightly shorter page name isn't really a convincing reason here.

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I think that project template code tends to already be too esoteric before adding support for the small parameter. There are other strategies I would recommend for talk pages flooded with banners:

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current projects of WikiProject Opera. There's a couple extra features: can change the image in the corner, might add more, but I've set it up to be as much as possible functional without tweaking.

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I'd found Template:CatDiscuss and Template:CatMaintain and (aside from they seem to be named backwards) wasn't entirely happy with them for WProj purposes. So for your WikiProjectifying pleasure:

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as desire can still also claim it as a task force and link to it, so long as the actual task force is located within WP Uni. That's my proposal. Just keeps the hierarchy easier and more consistent.

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I'm going to start looking into the WP Directory as I have time and draw up a list for discussion of inactive projects which can either be task forced or merged. Would anyone have any objections?

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It's pretty trivial if you add a second importance parameter (e.g. "importance-mainz"); then you can just copy over the existing importance-rendering code into the #if: block for the task force.

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This has been brought up and rejected a number of times. Aside from the point that the developers are not going to create new namespaces on a whim, there are two major problems with this idea:

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The only difference is that integrating projects as task forces under a larger project allows there to be more editorial and stylistic consistency, as well as preventing projects with similar

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being covered by WikiProject Boxing and WikiProject Louisville. This is just a wild idea, but perhaps we should create some sort of new enclosing construct (not unlike the <gallery: -->

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to their wikiprojects. For example, for the wiki military history project, classical warfare task group, the bot ran a list of every article under the category (and all sub-categories) of

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I have been looking at categories more closely recently. Today, I decided that there are a lot articles that would be more easily navigated if we developed a Sports family hierarchy (in

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issue here is that there's (a) no consensus among different WikiProject in an area and (b) strong feeling from outside the WikiProjects that the WikiProject guidelines are unreasonable.

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That's it! It'll help me if you leave a short message on my talk page to let me know. Please be sure to make sure that step 1 is done before step 2, as this prevents us from flooding

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chance. Even there, you might want to consult the projects one at a time, and thus maybe get a good head of steam up before trying to get some of the larger existing projects to join.

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Would anyone oppose to that? I want to also organize out the specific field of every participants, so that it makes easier for anyone that want to seek specific assistance in a area.

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If there are a lot of subject-specific guidelines, I think it's appropriate (in fact, very good) for a project to give it's own guidelines - for example for chemical compounds we use

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Hmmm.... that is a good solution (although I'd still prefer a dropdown). Nevertheless, I guess I'll go take a look at the code of the banners and templates that I encounter a lot.--

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I would suggest that peer review be replaced with number of members. A WikiProject may have all the accoutrements of a big WikiProject, but is useless without anyone to run them...

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Definitely fixed. Thank you, O great one! Frankly, I just tried to copy another banner (Germany) and screwed things up in the process. This should work wonderfully. Thanks again!

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I agree with the idea of consolidating related templates. I also have seen many articles associated with two or more projects that don't have parent-child relationships, such as

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doesn't make sense for those articles and come up with a reasonable alternative, I see no reason to reject it out of hand because the MoS is "more official" than the WikiProject.

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just something to point out. I don't think it is such a good idea in the template to use User:Name as an example as they have been blocked indefinately for vandalism a while ago.

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in particular who does this, of course :) . But I do think, at this point, such reorganization will only happen after we get all the projects talking to each other, not before.

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Some articles are beginning to fall under the scope of many different WikiProjects. This is creating a very long list of templates above the TOC on the articles talk page (see

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At this point, both questions would be unanswerable, as it's still just a basic proposal. However, I think that it might be fairly easily possible to have a link to it on the

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These can come in handy for when your project is overhauling a messy bunch of categories, or if people keep doing boneheaded things in them even after you've cleaned it up. —

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I saw that - it did rather flood the central PR. Maybe you can get it to add only newly created PRs so the system is slowly phased in. Has anybody actually brought this up at

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That's not really practical (at least not in that form), because many WikiProject banners contain significant functionality beyond serving simply as a link to the project. (

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when rating articles for quality and usually don't put a rating above Start unless the prose is more than half of the entire article. I don't foresee anyone proposing a

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I like the idea a lot. I would like it even more if it could include info on the new projects or sub-projects created or re-energized since the last edition. I'd

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A-Class is higher in the scale than GA-Class. The extent to which there's a difference in practice varies depending on which project's assessments you look at.

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Unless the appreciation week is Knowledge (XXG) wide, I wouldn't advocate getting involved with it. Getting involved with Esperanza makes the Council look bad.

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It's certainly full-width in the sense that there can't be anything else next to it on the page. (The crudeness is, admittedly, a matter of personal opinion.)

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before you start the project in earnest, maybe waiting for at least five members to join. That's generally enough to indicate that the project would be viable.

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and the peer reviews removed. Now, I was under the impression that it was OK for us to list the peer reviews like this, and that there would be no change for

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Well, by that standard, GA isn't much of an "award" either; and, in some cases, A-Class assessment is done rather more rigorously than the GA process. :-\

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has recently been authorised for use. It is a tool I developed primarily with a view to helping wikiproject members better manage parts of their project.

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Since we appear to be in agreement, and there has recently been confusion on the issue, maybe we should consider adding a few words among these lines to

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This might be controversial, but I think we should consider having a special page for certain types of article banners, such as for projects and honors.

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It'd be somewhat unpleasant to try and code, since many banners already include dropdowns of their own. In any case, is the problem something that the

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Do normal article naming rules apply to WikiProjects? Would, for example, a "WikiProject Giant Robots and Colossal Monsters" be a bad idea? (Not the

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establishing more rules around it, to be honest. Really, I'm not sure why we have it in the assessment queue, and my move would be to take it out.

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I don't like it. It's quite crude, visually; and quite redundant, as most (all?) projects that have such structural features already use a real

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project's banner should be the more visible, with a section that states what parent projects the page also belongs to. Another example would be

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Hi, I ran a short task with MartinBotII, by way of testing, to add the WikiProject Military History peer reviews to the list. The bot was then

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Actually, lists are (were?) meant to be rated using normal article criteria; there isn't a "List" assessment level in the conventional scale.

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the A/B/Start/Stub and initially standards were fairly loose. Since then standards have tightened and most GAs are now pretty similar to A.

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I am not sure of the correct and efficient to publicise the availability of this bot to help out wikiproject members. Can anyone advise? -

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push to create them across the board would be heavily resisted; and, in any case, they're not likely to be very useful for small projects.

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legitimate to have a WikiProject for Assyrian people, and I just think that the name should stay at WikiProject Assyrian people. Cheers!

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to every WikiProject peer review currently transcluded (if this is a big task, as me, and the bot can do it in exceptional circumstances)

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at that level would be helpful; it may be better to stop the organization (or its practical aspects, in any case) at the next tier down.

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Beyond that, I suggest proceeding slowly and with consideration for the feelings of the members of the sub-projects in question. :-)

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I am just wondering, do you need to be a GA article in order to get to A. We are having a discussion on it on the comics rating page.

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Meh. That'll just bloat the MoS with dozens of obscure special cases, the vast majority of which will be entirely uncontroversial.

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wow ok, truthfully this system just seems way to confusing. and it seems that the GA has no meaning, but whatever, ty for the help.

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Only the GA page is not updated automatically, and most users forget to update the blurb near the top, so it isn't very reliable.

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would be interested in getting involved in Sports family categorization or if there is a good way to proceed in such an endeavor.

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separation (which could be harmful to the acceptance of WikiProjects as integral components of Knowledge (XXG), in the long run).

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Just a note to say that any WikiProject which decide that they'd like to use this task should follow the following instructions:

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FAs (and to a lesser extent, GAs) from a project, particularly those that were written as a collaborative effort by the project.

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We all make mistakes, and this was nowhere near a big one, if it honestly qualifies as a mistake at all; don't worry about it.:)

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I was recently involved in a dispute over this, and I will just say two words without antagonizing anyone. The problem is that

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16000 or 17000 queries on wikipedia, but before I run it on PR again, I'd like to see us get permssion from them, if possible.

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I'm not sure that there is an easy answer here. The people who would be in the best position to help you would probably be at

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article meets certain specific criteria. So A is internal, broadly defined; GA and FA are external and more sharply defined.

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The point of the move is that the project's aim is not just involved in Modern Assyrian pages, but all Assyrian pages, from

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Place all the banners inside a scrollable div with a height restriction. I haven't seen this done yet, but it should work.

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As a quick aside, Nathan is currently blocked for a month and there is a discussion going on now for an indef block. See

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So, what do we want to do with this page? Last time I checked, I thought we were going to do an internal newsletter (a la

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in the To Do list has nothing to do at all with article or its talk page; it is completely superfluous. Even if it was a

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It's more complicated than that, of course; many projects contain guidelines, while many other project-space pages (e.g.

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Okay, you might not have seen these then... Content promoted to Featured status is listed weekly on the Signpost under

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I think Wikipedians who are interested in WikiProject Council will also be interested in creating a similar things for

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As there is no conflicting project with a similar name, I can't see any reason why the project shouldn't feel free to

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and other WikiProjects. I haven't seen any problems lately, but I haven't paid that much attention to the WSS lately.

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That's about all I can think of. I hope anyone who thinks of anything else feels free to add their comments as well.

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anything particularly special about them; actor articles get normally assessed just like articles on any other topic.

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I was wondering if I could get the approval from the council to move the project to WikiProject Assyria, as me and

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related To Do list, it would only be marginally relevant; if there was a bullet point saying "work towards getting

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important, so one person may rank it as "Top", but another reviewer may say it simply duplicates content found in

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Well, I consider a lot of the "extras" in the banners (such as the peer review stuff) to be pretty unimportant to

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Can anyone tell me what's the point in those comment subpages that can be found on many WikiProject banners (like

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for them. (More generally, full-width boxes should be used sparingly, as they're visual overkill in most cases.)

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Maybe we should create a place of discussion for small Wikiprojects merging into parent WikiPorjects. Maybe like

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Is there anyone currently writing the guide, or attempts to organise it? Shall I just start writing some parts?

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of content having to re-invent the wheel when project-wide or supra-project issues may occur. For example, the

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image be added to the tab for the work group. Any and all assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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First off, what is going on with this edit warring? I have no idea what the controversy even regards. Thanks,

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project banner, but there's also the CVG banner. The Collaboration of the Week, CVG Peer Review, actually

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Is it possible, or a good idea, to create a Top Ten or Twenty list of Wikiprojects? My recent efforts on

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and move the page. I might also add it to the former countries section of the geographical page of the

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for a list including number of members), and i thought it may be a good idea to somehow join them into

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The convention that I'm aware of is to consider "WikiProject" a pseudo-namespace and put everything

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thereof) and debate each project being added on a case-by-case basis. Isn't that the wiki way? :)

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I'd say nuke it. It's just the latest in a string of troublesome contributions by Nathannoblet.--

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It's a pretty good idea, actually. I see three major issues that need to be considered, though:

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does that for the Victorian actors under their scope, but modern actors... perhaps not so much.

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Oh, duh... I missed the edit button. I saw the bit about changing the image, though. Thanks! -

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anyone think we should try to actively recruit such members from as many projects as possible?

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the FA standards, but could be changed so that either the GA or A status becomes unnecessary.

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I've just seen it under many projects, but not every one. How about templates and categories?

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The Religion project has just created a Left Hand Path task force. I'm trying to adjust the

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So the comments can be easily transcluded into the project work lists. For an example, see

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Yeah, they do. I think that one might be a bad idea on both counts, but that's just me. :)

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It certainly might make sense to list the projects which have the most development in the

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Well, you need to create all the possible categories, and nest them under something like

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banner to accomodate, and getting no luck. The basic founder of the group has requested

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have decided to include everything about Assyria in the project, and not just people.

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Related project banners getting rolled into the most specific banner. For example, a

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style guidelines when the MoS is undefined or simply when there are good reasons to

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continent who belongs to the "proper" parent project. Either would work, of course.

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It does a full check and will list any new peer reviews every hour (on the hour).

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Possibly fixed? I'm not entirely sure what the intended functionality was here.

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up to FA status", that would be superfluous as well (Scorpion doesn't appear in

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template at the very top. This skips past the banners to the table of contents.

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Weel, the project I made it for wanted something to expand functionality of the

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Knowledge (XXG):Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Rail transport articles by quality/1

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Please feel free to have a go at the (many!) sections still to be written! :-)

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About the UVA project...where would you propose nesting the task force? Under

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similiar to one that is included on many WikiProject banners is sufficient.--

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Yeah, I know that this has kind of been addressed above. But I noticed that

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for use on WikiProjects pages. How should I tell them? It looks like this:

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to act as a central point for inter-WikiProject discussion and collaboration

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I would say no, they have no authority whatsover to contravene established

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P.S. The UVA project has been recently restored/recreated/whatever through

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On a side note, I am also interested in this project and have joined it.

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Since you've displayed the TWP banner, I might as well pop in here too.

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Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of

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I am confused, between A and GA, what is better? Please advise. Regards,

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task forces). Also, like in the case with the new (maybe?) resuscitated

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Knowledge (XXG):Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Nationalistic_bot

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Council/Proposals#WikiProject proposal

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I actually like the proposal above a lot, and tried to get one project

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ultimately are expected to conform to the style guidelines set down by

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basis, I have today created what is probably a truly goofy proposal at

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Maybe that would be a good use for the page being discussed above...

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I suspect that too. I didn't say it would be easy to implement. :)

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project banner, but it also garners a CVG banner as well. Since the

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is accusing my bot to be a nationalist bot. Please find her post at

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I accidentally posted this to the directory subpage as well. Sorry.

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Er, I already have implemented the secondary importance level, see

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Assistance from people who know banners and task forces requested

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Sports

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New WProj-oriented Category & Category talk header templates

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It isn't full width. In my opinion, it's hardly "crude" either.

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Sounds good to me too. One additional comment. I've heard that

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In one sense, no. Clearly, we don't want anyone violating the

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It's up to your project, really; but, generally speaking, no.

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Not easy to use for giving us a top ten, but may be helpful.

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before, but there is a distinct difference between the two.

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great, thanks for the input! i think, though, articles like

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Done and done. Thank you very much for the help. Cheers.

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A "Collaboration of the XXX" that is active and successful

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Uh, I'm not very technically "ept"... How does it work? -

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Where would it be released or how it would be published?

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The practical: actually changing namespaces would entail

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promoted good articles (of course, I don't actually know

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Anyway, any and all feedback would be more than welcome.

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is active rather than having lots of one-person projects.

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number of articles now), but it will display similar to

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List of companies operating trains in the United Kingdom

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persons membership might be somewhat of a disadvantage.

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Biography/Sports and games

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Out of curiosity, how often is the bot set up to run?

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An absence of name-calling on the project talk pages!

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recently, so I'll just copy the comments I made then:

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I am not relating to any specific article or so on.

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One single Project newsletter for all the projects?

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