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monographs), founder (1990) and the first head (1990-2003) of the Department of Plant Reproduction of the National Botanical Garden at the Ilia State University (Tbilisi). Since 2003 she is a Chief Research Fellow of this Department. Since 1990 Professor Gvaladze is a Founding Member of the International Assotiation of Sexual Plant Reproduction Research (IASPRR); Since 1983 - a Member of the Board of the Georgia's Botanical Society. She received a International S. Navashin Medail (1990). Since 1998 Professor Gvaladze is an Academician of the Abkhazian National Academy of Sciences (former Abkhazian Regional Academy of Sciences), based in Tbilisi. This Academy is oficially registered and fully recognized by the Georgian National Academy of Sciences. You must restore this article, my dear friends. With kind regards, Professor Zurab D. Urushadze (

2997:). I didn't realize that shortly after that post they were releasing the new Twinkle, and that page has now become filled up with new bugs/issues. The programmers are going to be busy putting out these fires, but I fear that if DELSORT isn't integrated now while people are actively updating Twinkle, it may not happen at all. I'm not a programmer, and the one who was working on it has mostly-retired, but his scripts are available. Again, the thread is 31: 322:

person, but for this one delsort page wre remove the transclusion, and just list the debate links. We have a visible format a lot like the intersection report, where you just have a list of links, not a wall of debates. But the human listing can resume, and the page can again be in chronological order. It's a raw idea, in need of development, but I think it might be the basis for a compromise. How does this idea sound to people? -

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the category. So if the category is to be a full representation as much as possible of living people AFDs, an the intersection report falls short of that. When we had people manually listing debates into the category, it was easy enough to list things not in the category if it was likely that the article was of a living person. The intersection report cannot make such judgments.

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enjoy trying to figure out whether the subject of an article is real or not, regardless of what other categories it belongs in, so i thought maybe others would too. it seems that articles about hoaxes might as well go in there too, since they're going to end up there anyway, and might appeal to the same kinds of editors.—

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about, say, physicists—and vice versa. The topical WikiProjects would be a good starting point for subdividing the list. In addition to subdividing the "Academics and educators", I suggest that the subject matter categories be organized by field of study, again with emphasis on the topical WikiProjects.—

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I've been reading through the Category:Newfoundland and Labrador politician stubs to see what articles I could update. However I've noticed articles of politicians from the 1800's and I'm wondering if there is a need for the articles? To me some of these people don't need to have a wikipedia article,

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One possible advantage of the current system of mixing delsort notices with the discussion is that it makes it easier to tell how some of the participants might have found out about the discussion. As a somewhat strained analogy, I don't think you would want relist notices moved to the top instead of

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I just came here to recommend Mathematics. Seems obvious. I would also think we'd benefit from a breakdown of Science into Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Geology, Paleontology, and Astronomy, and that some individual social sciences like Economics, Sociology, Anthropology, Archeology, Psychology, etc.,

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I just came here to request the same things. Generally, I think that the broad category of "Academics and educators" should be subdivided by field of study. Editors who have a primary interest in, say, French literature, are not necessarily interested in or especially qualified to comment on articles

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I stumbled across these redirects, they are obviously made by an ethnic Macedonian editor as a "critical comment" or a practical joke of some sort in relation to the Macedonia naming dispute, in any case they do not serve anyone (apart from those participating in the joke i suppose), as they are not

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I have a delsorting script that allows me to click on a tab, bring up a javascript menu, and automagically delsort incoming AfDs. However, it no longer appears to work. Clicking on the tab has no functionality. My script hasn't been changed at all-- has there been some changes within XfD that has

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Hi there I am having trouble getting the desort tool working I have added the code to my monobook.js page and saved it :) but it does not bring up the additional action on the AFD page. I am editing using chrome but tried it out on firefox as well so that is not the problem. I have been using both

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While I'm here, is it possible to have a template generated from these pages which interested people can transclude onto their userpages, in the way that I have done for Signpost, for instance. This might list the current deletion discussions on the selected topics - a bit like the contents page for

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A couple more comments while I'm on the subject. Looking at the intersection report, I see a lot fewer items on it than I would have expected. This is likely because the Living People cat is still far from fully in place. Many articles of obviously living people go up for deletion that are not in

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Books: for music, we have Bands and musicians, Music and Albums and songs, but for literature and other forms of writing, we don't have an equivalent books category. There was a whole swathe of deletions a while back for books related to Islam and the politics of the terrorism/Islamophobia/Islamism

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There has been a long-standing desire by some editors to integrate deletion sorting into Twinkle, so that editors can sort the deletions automatically as they propose them. I'd noticed that Twinkle was being reworked in a hurry for the new MediaWiki release, and by several more editors than normal,

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covers those having no references. A BLP article may be nominated to AFD for a variety of reasons, and may be referenced. So unless the list can be further cut down to the unreferenced ones, then it might prove to be unmanageable. Is there some stats that can be generated to indicate how many we

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By the way, I've reverted the changes to the Game queue, except for the renaming to Games. I don't like the VG queue because additions are not semi-automated, and deletions from there are not automated. So, I'm not sorting anything in their queue, although I am watchlisting it. I don't see an issue

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How do I opt my AFD nominations out of deletion sorting? Too often I have seen these used as, essentially, a method of votestacking. An AFD should get a good cross-section of the Knowledge (XXG) community, but deletion sorting lets them be dominated by the same incestuous bunch that failed to clean

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i think that both of the ones you suggest are good. i'd especially find books useful. also, i've been thinking that it might be nice to have one for hoaxes, which could encompass both articles that are proposed for deletion because they are hoaxes and (more rarely) ones that are about hoaxes. i

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Part of the basic problem seen within virtually all the comments annunciating insufficient citations for a given author - and this applies throughout the Wiki world, not just here - is the varied methodologies by which journals actually publish the names of the authors in question. For example,

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One problem with the current setup is that the "Culture" section has only two things in it, when a bunch of stuff really obviously belongs in there, especially ethnic groups, gender, etc. It doesn't do much good to fix up "Other" has having been too much of a kitchen sink, when "Topical" is even

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I'm confused on how Cat scan is the better link. It's listed alphabetically rather than by expiration, so if I want to go through and check which I've already voted in, or which are due to be closed, I've gotta click through all the links. Why is there an issue with simply archiving the page more

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Except where a logical delsort category happens to coincide with a project, which is the case here. I think the project list should simply move, to an official delsort list. There's no reason for the project to maintain its own when the VG material isn't in the (non-video) games delsort list any

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There's a link to "Religion and philosophy", but this leads to Religion -- no mention there of philosophy. For religion, there are also deletion sorts for Judaism, and Spirituality, and perhaps more besides; but what's one supposed to do with philosophy? I'm tempted to answer my own question by

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Many of the searches undertaken here CLEARLY are insufficient to count or otherwise determine the # of citations (by which it would appear many of the deletors are judging "significance," of the work - something I as a scientist would argue scientists themselves should be doing, not potentially

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These topics don't really fit into one of the existing categories very nicely. Newspapers and magazines would fit as sub lists of literature and news, while journalists would be fit under news and authors. Authors and literature seem to be mainly used for novels/novelists while news is for news

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But the report as-was is problematic. It's sheer size when fully reported is unwieldy. So here is a thought for a possible "Something new". Something of a cross between what we had before, and what we have now. At the core, the idea is a page of listed debates, added to regularly by bot and

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Dear friends, you deleted the article about the outstanding Georgian botanist, Doctor of Biological Sciences (1973), Professor (1991) Guranda E. Gvaladze (b. in 1932). She is one of the founders of the Georgian scientific school of Plant Embryology, author of 180 scientific works (among them 3

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I am trying to use the automated tool but it will not complete the edit. I am using Firefox and have been using Twinkle for 2 1/2 months. As a clarification, it will bring up the window, but the window will not close on its own and the edit does not happen if I close it with the close button.

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I know those lists are routinely combed by bots, and I was wondering: would the addition of file discussions to the article discussions gum up the works? I'd expect that each delsort list would acquire a Files subheader, and file discussions sorted into it would appear transcluded there. -

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especially seeing there are politicians who have served in the last decade who are move relevant that don't have pages. I'm wondering if there is a need to have stubs of politicians who haven't served in decades, especially if there pages don't recieve 100 views a month. Two examples are

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However, the use of delsort at AFD now seems to be nearly universal, and so it seems right to me that its usage should be encouraged. I have therefore strengthened the wording from "can" to "should", so that the guidance now reads: "You should also tag the AfD by adding

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I really don't understand why we maintain this page, when category intersection is more up to date, more accurate, and involves less workload for users, bots and servers. Therefore I propose that it be replaced with a prominent link to the relevant category intersection.

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Short answer is you can't. My experience with deletion sorting doesn't match yours at all, so I wonder if it's a particular area that's a problem, the types of articles you are nominating, or if you are using the same kind of uncivil language in AfDs that you're using

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notes are usually added at the end, but then new comments are added so they often end up in the middle, possibly between one contribution and a reaction to it. It makes more sense to put them immediately after the nomination, so that you get something like this:

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Something new. Scrap this page, but develop something better to replace it. Not totally sure what that could be, but I'm thinking something bot-created that is somehow based off of the category intersection thing, but formatted differently to address the

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Anyone? Anyone? I'd just go be bold and do it, but suspect that there are various things in various places that would need to be changed to reflect this split, so I want to leave it to someone who does delsorting all the time, like maybe Tom Morris. —

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decide if that my advertising was a devious method of support for a keep/delete for an AfD? People have left notes on my talk page asking me to comment on AfDs that I may be interested in. Are there any existing policies/guidelines related to this?

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more of one. It could be split up in various other ways. Events and News are obviously of-a-piece. All legal/government topics could be another cluster (terrorism, piracy, military, etc.) And so on. My suggestion would be to take the category/

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concerns played an important part. But that has clearly been thrown out the window. The sheer size of the page makes it slow to load, even when my bot is working properly. When it trips up (which I apologise for), the page can become unusable.

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Response to spa anon. GS is the only citation database that is available at no cost. It is much better than it used to be and its limitations are known to those who use it regularly. If you know of better search results then let us have them.

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I agree with your assessment, Wub. One interesting twist. With the page locked, User:Erwin85Bot cannot list new debates there. But it thinks it still can, and is still marking debates as listed there, even though they are not. :) -

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and thought it needed reverting since it blanked much information. However, I'm not familiar with the project or its discussions so I'm bringing the matter here for informed feedback. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks

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I brought up the idea of a mathematics list on the mathematics wikiproject a couple of months back and there wasn't really any interest. If others think it would be a good idea despite this, then I'm happy to go along with them.

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I read through the original reasoning for removing this from deletion sorting. As I understand it, deletion sorting BLPs just generated a huge list. I don't see that anything has changed that would remedy that. The scope of

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I also must question the excessive use of Google Scholar for this purpose. Mainline journals (i.e. Journal of the American Chemical Society) are covered, while lesser known, private publications (i.e. many by Elsevier) are

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which is WP policy. I only tagged it as its wording needs a little tuning and when the first sentence gets cleaned up that'll be the time to tune the second sentence so that the two sentences work and flow together.

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I have started discussions at the two most active deletion sorts that I know of that are not under this project about the possibility of bringing one or both of them under this project. The discussions can be found

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Some kind of separation, that being the case, though how that is done is not something I have any knowledge of. It certainly shouldn't be the case that video game nominations swamp the general games delsort list.

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is language related because it tries to define a meaning for the phrase "Shadow Cast" having to do with a kind of entertainment activity at some movie theaters. How does Angr think this is not Language related?

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How about we merge the existing delsort pages for Conspiracy theories and Paranormal into one named "Fringe topics" which would be including also some topics that don't fit so well into the two I mentioned?

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I now stopped it from running. As I don't use this page myself I don't feel I have a say in this. However, I do agree with Wub's assessment. It would make more sense to just use category intersection. --

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It seems these deletion sorting archives are set up to be transcluded somewhere. Would creating numbered archives break whatever does that? Is it already broken anyway due to the length of the archives?

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Mark J. Palmer will appear in article headers as I have just written the name; as "M. Palmer," as "M.J. Palmer," as "M. J. Palmer," and even as variants of this name in reverse (i.e., "Palmer, M.J.").

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Ok. So now we have a counter argument against the switch. I can see how having the list in chronological order can be a benefit. So where does that leave us? I see several possible paths forward:

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Can a delsort page be created for Burma? We seem to have pages for all soerts of other obscure countries. With recent political events there is sure to be a crop of new articles emerging.

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Could somebody please head over to the fiasco that's going on over at this article and ask the clearly POV'd editors to stop intentionally maligning the article to have it deleted? Thanks.

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It certainly would be amusing to see some of this activity taking place for pages representing musical bands, for example, that have had exactly ONE recording cut, and the like.

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the "$ " so it will be output literally instead of being used to introduce a replacement variable. Please review, and update your script if that is in fact correct. Thanks.

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I would think that people who are interested in keeping tabs on deletion nominations for specific topic areas would be equally interested in getting notified of ongoing

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It's the length of the discussion (number of characters, I think). It was meant for picking out long, particularly contentious debates that could have been of interest.

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to slightly strengthen the advice which appears at the top of each deletion sorting list regarding notifying an AFD discussion about its inclusion in a delsort list.

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I've been deletion sorting for a few months now and have probably sorted many hundreds of articles into categories now. It's a relatively low-stress and enjoyable

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that could be used to verify all these claims, and secondarily that even if they could be verified it is still not clear that she passes the requirements of

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to the list? I understand it overlaps with games delsort, but is nevertheless actively maintained by the project. My attempts seemed not to work. Thanks! —

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Seems to be a fairly widespread problem not constrained to FF4. Doesn't work in Chrome, Opera or Safari, either. Has to be a problem with the tool itself.

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right now with accusations of canvassing, etc. Somebody had created a delsort queue for this, but it wasn't working properly, nor was it discussed here.

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Twinkle and Friendly for quite some time so that is also not the issue... also I have cleared my cache to no avail. Any suggestions? I have posted on

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and the intuitive feeling that with books, we can judge them in some kind of reasonably objective way (if they've had reviews, become bestsellers etc.)

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but couldn't find a category. There needs to be a general Geography topic group. Not just geographical places but Geography as a subject itself. --

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trying to keep track of games stuff, it's very frustrating to do so, because 95% of deletion stuff regarding "games" is always about video games.

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I've resolved this - It turned out the quoted wording I was commenting on was from December 2006. I've copy/pasted in the current wording from

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all I see is the project banner and the TOC—everything else is blank. I don't seem to be having a similar problem with any other WP pages.

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structure and mirror it, or confusion will result more and more over time, as DELSORT develops its own peculiar categorization scheme. —

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The problem is that there are topics that affect multiple countries, and so they would be transcluded multiple times. Here's an example:

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salam, i wana put this page to be deleted. coz this is not proper noune to be used for Afghans, the one who live or is From Afghanistan.

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Actually, my bot doesn't do anything to delsorts. In fact, I don't think there's many bots that do. Delsorts are manually maintained. —

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Hi, after upgrading to Firefox 4.01, delsort no longer does anything when invoked via Twinkle. Is this a known problem? Thanks --

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I've noticed this problem a lot when a soccer or association football player AfD is opened, someone will come along and list it

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That error should be reported to the talk page of the editor that made it. You can also just remove him from the lists queue.

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as it's not explained in detail in the article body nor does it link to articles that would explain these. For example, under

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was temporarily disabled about a year ago following a thread near the top of this page. With the current drive to clear the

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used in any context. I have no idea of the technicalities regarding page deletions, can some admin please handle it ?--

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Sorry to calarify you don't want editors interested in the article to find you AfDs? do you own the AfD's you start? --

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The problem was that I was using the vector skin, which I like better. Any chance that this can be made compatible?

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Wouldn't a deletion category for biographies of military figures be handy, given the great number of those bios?

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mixed in, because then you wouldn't be able to tell as easily which comments were before or after the relist. —

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suggesting that philosophy is worthwhile and thus not for deletion, but surely we do need a category for what

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the table of contents appears halfway down the page instead of at the top. Does anyone know how to fix this?

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Restore the page as it was, getting the bots to not glitch the page up if at all possible. (Old status quo)

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so I asked if they take a look at some existing scripts and see if they can be integrated (see my post

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there with obvious fixes. Mirroring OOK is pointless as we don't separate queues for all those topics.

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task, but I think after all this, I feel like there are a few categories that we could add or change.

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They can be put at the bottom of individual subject deletion sorting pages under their own heading.

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leaving just the following two in "Other", which should be renamed as "Knowledge (XXG) page type":

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either, and had a grand total of one post, so it was probably created without any discussion here.

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I would like to set up deletion sorting for Eastern European project/topics. How can I do that? --

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I have to admit I can't really see the point of this page. Because ALL living people pages have

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with having overlapping queues because many articles get listed in more than one queue anyway.

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Ah, there was a deletion sorting place for philosophy; it's just that it wasn't listed until

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I hope this is uncontroversial, but thought it best to point out the change just in case. --

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is a much larger and more active project (obviously; video games are much more popular than

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What is the number in parentheses mean in the deletion archives? I sit explained somewhere?

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to link to the extra archives wouldn't be too difficult either. But I have some questions:

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It looks like the list of "other" stuff has become a kitchen sink. I've done a few changes

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Leave the page disabled, and rely on the intersection report going forward (new status quo)

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Yes, that sounds good. Go ahead! Err, I should probably put some text in bold, like this:

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Is it possible to use this Wikiproject to list a file for deletion? I would like to list

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Would anyone object to my moving the existing archives to "/Archive 1", so the standard

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is repeatedly deleting it. Should I revert it or can some one help me in this regard? --

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Would like to suggest adding a category for Mathematics. Four related AfDs added today.

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I don't know whether it's my computer or something on the page; but when I try to view

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I recently spotted an author who writes science fiction and so cross linked that under

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Greetings, I know that our project isn't as active as others, but I was wondering if

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Does this WikiProject cover other deletion discussions, like templates and files? --

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I can easily enough have AnomieBOT start creating numbered archives, and adjusting

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Does anyone know if and when the delsort feature will be restored to Twinkle? --

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I am sorry if this is a wrong place to ask this question. But I want to know why

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Apparently there isn't one. Nor is there one for performing arts in general. See

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Well, we already have lists for the individual countries, you can find them at

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could have its own delete sorting category, maybe under the main category of

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators/archive

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I thought he wanted help on setting up an Article Alerts page for WP:GAMES.

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/University of Canterbury Drama Society

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Agreed, the list would be too long and of no practical use that I can see.

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to your skin js page for now. I think TW devs are working on it though...

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to make this work? I'm unfamiliar with the guts of the DELSORT system. —

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Proposal: put delsort notes on AfD pages immediately after the nomination

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bands and musicians/archive

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Greetings. A discussion related to this WikiProject has been opened at

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Is there a list for that kind of thing. Current events or something? -

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Deletion sorting/Albums and songs/archive

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/2010 Papua New Guinea bus crash

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Articles for deletion#Deletion sorting proposal

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Article has been updated and redirection removed as per consensus --

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and the thread immediately above it are relevant to editors here. —

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Video games/Deletion#Requested_move

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Deletion sorting/Organizations/archive

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Anybody got any other ideas of new deletion sorting categories? —

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page be broken up into subpages similar to what now prevails on

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Chodaczkow Wielki massacre

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as being "list" related? Happy Valentine's Day! Sincerely, --

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The guidance used to say: "You can also tag the AfD by adding

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Hi I was wandering how to add a new list particularly for the

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page (without renaming) doesn't break anything, so you can be

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etc. and there wasn't a clear book category for them despite

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