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is a fictional work that simply mimics the documentary form. Or to quote the lead of the main article, "mockumentary (a portmanteau of the words mock and documentary) is a type of film or television show in which fictional events are presented in documentary style to create a parody." It is no more
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Guess that'll have to wait for a separate wikiproject. I was concerned that, say, a Ken Burns doc film will be included here, while a Ken Burns doc series will not -- but I see his TV series are in many cases (mis)categorized also as doc films. There's also the matter of some doc filmmakers who are
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I am finding some very problematic stuff, including that the film is pushing a "fringe" POV and as such, "The whole synopsis is based on the film itself (as a primary source), and should be removed as pro-fringe." This editor wants the whole
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It is good practice to tell the other participants in a discussion if you take that discussion to another place. It is necessary to present the thoughts of other editors neutrally and correctly. I explained why I'm sure that the film is supporting a fringe theory according to consensus both among
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underemphasizes the contributions of
Pauline Kael, who was not. These criticisms have been discussed online and can be referenced. I'm going to devote time to research this article to try to bring it into an appropriate level of objectivity if possible; if not, I believe it warrants deletion.
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For God's sake Shawn, grow up. My edit on that redirect had absolutely nothing to do with you! I'm sorry that you are still taking things personally, but I never claimed to be "in charge". However, it's difficult to come to a consensus, when you start by going to my talk page, and accusing me of
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Subjectively, the film itself was sloppily pieced together and is essentially a reverential piece towards Bosley
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Yes, I agree. And fortunately, there aren't too many articles in docudramas -- I think because of the confusion over what does or doesn't represent an example of the genre -- so it'll be easy for me to remove the task force tags from articles that don't belong here (I do expect to find
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