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2790:(I think that's the local pooh-bah's name), the College of Heralds, or the City of Vancouver officials, commissioned the "Kwakiutl" totem pole in question, and what the crest rights connected with it may be, and whether or not they were ignored at the time (which as it was 1969 when the crest was granted is quite likely). Just curious, but perhaps there are indeed some more important issues here than meets the eye. I can't see the pole in any detail and, while htey're not mentioned in teh blazon, the crests/animals depicted should probably be mentioned. "Kwakiutl" is now an obsolete adn somewhat un-p.c. term, though still used by the band at Fort Rupert and also by the Southern Kwakiutl around Campbell River; all others in teh same ethnolinguistic group prefer the term "Kwakwaka'wakw" and consider it a "white man's mistake" (even though rival/cousin kin still use it). 2035: 845:. Even 1208 has been suggested, but I've never seen any source in Denmark that was even remotely close to 1625. The entry for Norway ignores the 1814 flag. Sweden's "1569" seems very implausible as well and anyways ignores that the Swedes used a banner during the 1523 war with Denmark (the original flag destroyed in 1807) and the Swedish wikipedia mentions an example from the 1550s. The entry for the Faroe Islands states: "1948 recognized by Denmark", well, the Faroese flag was designed in 1919, a different flag was in use in the early 20th century, and common use definitely predates 1948. Just to name a few problems that jumped to mind. 2445: 1628:, which in principle is a nice idea, though I'm not sure if the selection of animals therein or the creation of "X in heraldry" articles are the best way to go about it. My first impression is that apart from a small number of charges like the lion or eagle, there's not much to say except "X was used as an charge. Examples of this are a,b,c", with the potential for an ever-increasing gallery of images. One could possibly make stronger articles by combining several of this type of article, perhaps using the categories from 2782:...and gave paused to wonder if the College of Heralds, and/or the City of Vancouver, had obtained permission from the owner(s) of the crest designs on teh totem pole design in question, and also of the totem pole itself if it is a depiction of an actual pole. These are legal property within indigenous cultures, and are now recognized also as a result of various court decisions to be part of Common Law in Canada (traditional laws of all kinds were recognized as such because of the Supreme Court appeal of 2411: 2860: 1728:. Currently that article is a shear mess. Of course this heraldic charge is pretty rare in English (or even French) heraldry, never less as we are on English language wikipedia the article should reflect English practice and not the less well developed German use. Anyone with German language skill might also want to take a look at the German language article (which while shorter is much better than hours) as well as the following article by a first rate German heraldist 31: 2067: 2011:
always means something about the original armiger. This is untrue. It may be true that a pelican, a self-sacrificing bird in mythology, is in someone's arms because the original armiger was noted for being particularly self-sacrificing; it could also be because the armiger had a particular devotion to the Atonement; it could also be because he liked pelicans. If you can't ask the herald who granted the arms, you can't know.
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The crown at the base of the shield is the emblem of the Saints, along with the gold cross, symbolises the town's historic connection with Paulinus and the Archbishop of York. The wheat sheaves note Pocklington's agricultural importance and the water lily the famous lily lakes at Burnby Hall Gardens.
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I personally feel the infobox should only be used for the flag that is the main focus of the article. In the case of the flag of Russia, only the state flag should be used for the infobox. If yall decide to write about the Andreyevsky flag on it's own article, then an infobox should be used there. I
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Unless/until these concerns are reported in reliable sources, it's not something we can or should worry about. Also, as far as the Herald Extraordinary goes, all Canadian Heralds have titles derived from rivers, and all Canadian heralds are responsible for the entire country, not specific locations.
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Ive been trying to expand articles on London Livery Companies by including a blazon of their arms from images on the company's websites, i'm quite good with it. If any one else would want to do the same it would be appreciated. Some of them I know aren't exact but it's quite hard just working it out
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but it not used on all flag pages, even national ones. I personally would like it to be used for current civil and state flags on national and first-level sub-national flags (e.g. counties in the UK, states in the US, laender). I find it very useful, particularly to non-vexillogists just looking up
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Hello. I have a passion for heraldry and (let's be honest ^^) my English is not too bad. However, since heraldry language is very specific, it's not sufficient for me to be able to translate from the French heraldic language to the English one. I was wondering if you could help me with one specific
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opinion is that First Nations and Aboriginal people have taken to using native symbols in heraldry with great enthusiasm. Plus, when FN symbols are used, especially recently (as in the badges of the Canadian heralds), they are used with respect and honour, permanently enshrining native symbolism in
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In Pocklington's case, the arms were only granted 28 years ago, so the people actually involved in the design (or some documents written by them) may survive to this day, but some of these fanciful interpretations concern arms which are hundreds of years old. Would it be a good plan to have a tag,
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Now there are some problems here. Firstly, these assertions are almost always given without citations. On a deeper level, there is a general misconception, I think, that a certain charge usually has a particular meaning-- that lions mean courage, say, or even that a noticeably blue coat of arms
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From your comments elsewhere, I see that you are tlaking about Britain and colonies, excluding dominions such as Australia. In this case, the Union Jack is almost certainly an appropriate flag, although I will point out that the phrase "British Empire" may be confusing in that many readers could
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and input from members of this project would be very welcome. If you can think of any diagrams (not photos or maps) that would be useful then I encourage you to suggest them at this page. If there is any free content material that would assist in drawing the diagram then it would be great if you
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with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Knowledge (XXG) 1.0 scheme! For the
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The entire idea sounds prone to OR and the bulk of such a list would be controversial. The list you hinted is a case in point;: Denmark is listed with "1625" for the year of adoption which is just completely bizarre. The oldest documented example of the Danish flag is from
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Currently, 2216 articles are assigned to this project, of which 328, or 14.8%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 14 July 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See
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I was the one who originally uploaded all those English and Welsh coats of arms under a fair use licence, but when that bot went through saying they were all to be deleted, I threw up my hands at the amount of work it would take to keep the bot happy.Ā :/
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I don't think putting this in a list would be a good idea. There are so many flags, that a list would be unmaintainable and incomprehensible. Categorising it OTOH would allow us to present a large amount of information in an understandable way.
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with annotations and things like that, so unless we want to do this, it might not be a good idea. Main questions coming up would be what year do we put the US flag? The original adoption date or when the last modification took legal effect?
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How many flags are adopted in a single year? I expect most categories would have few or no flags, at least for years prior to the 20th century. I agree that a list or series of lists would be a better way to present this information.
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Ok, I think I've got the article started. Two sections (at least) need to be added: institutional heraldry & unique Canadian elements--symbols, women as armigers, etc. Could someone pls pop by and give some feedback? Ta.
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This article is even longer than what its title leads us to expect, while many of the entries for the coat of arms of each individual German state are unreferenced stubs. - A split has been suggested at the article's
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Now it looks to me as though the colours are in the wrong order, either in the image or the description or both. Does anyone have any way of knowing one way or the other? I don't speak Spanish, unfortunately.
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This is problematic. Information presented in this way would be extremely oversimplified. There are many cases where a single year of adoption would be not only hard to determine, but also fairly controversial.
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Still, I think I should give some precisionsĀ : the cross can't be described as a 'Toulouse' one since the inner background is not gules but azure. Also, the or ordinary is a chevronnel, not a simple chevron.
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That's just an example... the template doesn't contain any of that language. I think it probably still looks like that on Anne's page; perhaps you could change it? I don't touch those pages anymore. //
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Hi. You may be familiar with the Philip Greenspun Illustration Project. $ 20,000 has been donated to pay for the creation of high quality diagrams for Knowledge (XXG) and its sister projects.
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I have come across an Italian crest which is surmounted by a crown with 5 balls. What does this mean under Italian heraldic rules please? It seems to be the crest of Francesco Ognibene of
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with a different version of the COA infobox; this one fits better into the body of an article, I think. I'd like to start using these (to begin with) across all relevant pages under
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We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at
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article. Specifically, he is adding information that does not check out with his cited sources. The editor insists on keeping the information in the article. See the article
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Do you still have a need for the early proposed versions of your coat of arms that included elements copied or traced from the Knowledge (XXG) logo? I refer specifically to:
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I have just moved the article about Gibraltar flags from 'Gibraltan Flags' as there is no such word in common usage. The correct term describing something 'of Gibraltar' is
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It seems to be accurate per some site that cites nothing and is incredibly poorly written; seems not very reliable. Neither the CHA site nor the RSHC site have anything.
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This new flag appeared today in Wikimedia Commons. It is supposedy, a new version of the Flag of Crete. Does enybody have some information about its origin and/or use?
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a heraldic issue, given teh strictures placed on teh use and design of escutcheons and coats of arms. I noted in the blazon of Vancouver's escutcheon the following:
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Quarterly 1 and 4 gules three lions passant guardant or 2 or a lion rampant gules within a double tressure flory counterflory gules 3 azure a harp or stringed argent
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I wonder if someone can offer some help on reaching a consensus on this article (which personally I think should simply be deleted, but that's another issue).
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Sable a cross clechy pometty or voided azure, overall on a point pointed azure fimbriated or a dove descending bearing in its beak a fleur-de-lys all argent.
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about a flag for that place from 1970 to 1976. I poked around here and at Wikimedia, and no dice. Can someone here please set us straight or find a flag? --
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I'm concerned about the trend of using a historical flag of the Islamic Caliphate as a symbol of present-day Islamic extremists. There are three reasons:
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Hi all. I've started the Canadian heraldry page. Unfortunately, I've got few references to go on. Anyone with books (esp. Beddoes'), please come help!
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I'll remove the template. The problem was that we have stated it is for fair use regarding this area, but was used in an template (which is a no-no).
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As with the Royal Arms of the United Kingdom. The first and fourth quarters are the arms of England, the second of Scotland, the third of Ireland.
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I doubt it's 'from' anything: it looks typical of the shields used by small institutions where no-one knows anything about real heraldic design. ā€”
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National flag of Serbia is still in use. There should not even exist - that file National flag of Serbia 2004-2006.svg because that is not true,
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Not a good idea. If we want to know about adoption dates for flags, we can either make a list or just link to a similar list FOTW has already.
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Barry wavy of eight azure and argent on a chief or between two dogwood flowers proper a pile vert charged with a Kwakiutl totem pole proper...
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in order to standardize proper blazonry etc when discussing the article subject's arms. I've posted over there, too.. what do you all think?
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represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
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Now, if it turns out to be a fact that, e.g., al-Qaeda has adopted this flag as a symbol, well and good. But so far this is only assumed.
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has been tagged for deletion because the permissions for inclusion have not been formatted the way that our image sticklers would like. --
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If there are any related (or unrelated) WikiProjects you think might have some suggestions then please pass this request over. Thanks. --
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is a collection of English Knowledge (XXG) articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The
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The question is simply what constitutes a flag. Is an image of a flag painted on a hillside a flag for the purposes of that article?
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like {{armsinterpretationcruft}} or something, to mark these with so that people are made to find reliable sources or delete them?
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the official symbolic language of the country, and putting those symbols on an equal footing with historically European symbols.
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The whole differenced by a label of three points Argent, first and third with a St George's cross the second with a heart gules
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Rainman does this alot on the Commons with nearly all images related to arms and flags. It's more noise than actual progress.
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National flag of Serbia is still in use and were used at appropriate historical times listed on the template. See more at
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The first image is at the Commons. I personally do not need the drafts anymore, but I suggest speaking to the uploader.
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The superior black stripe symbolizes... The middle green stripe symbolizes... The inferior white stripe symbolizes...
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heraldry.ca has a blazon which looks like the work of a professional, so it is likely to be the official one, see:
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There aren't any citations for that, though, and Google isn't turning up anything useful... Do you have any leads?
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using images which were here on the Knowledge (XXG). Assistance in blazoning them would be greatly appreciated. --
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and if anyone is interested in helping out with improving the article by copyediting, that would be great. Thanks!
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If someone can further tidy it up and remove that page sorting out any references etc. it would be appreciated. --
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No. I was actually wondering if the section in Cadency was accurate, and wanted to draw your attention to it.
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already. I would prefer one with out the supporters. Just the 'shield' so to speak! The English equivalent is
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Associating a symbol with many different Islamic groups on Knowledge (XXG) implies that they are identical.
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I'm writing this here because nobody will ever see it if I write it on the talk page of the article.
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Do we (here a wikipedia) have a picture of the scottish coat of arms (as used today)!?! I have seen
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The image is correct; apparently, the external link in the article has it wrong. Have a look at the
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I would like clarifcation on the use of the above, because I feel it's a great help on pages like
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the facts of one particular flag. It could also be expanded on many pages which it's used.
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is somehow related to Serbia, but this is not the national shield. Can anyone identify it?
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as a Featured List. Any comments or opinions are appreciated. The nomination can be found
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I'm finding no reliable evidence that this flag is actually used by the extremist groups.
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Ta. Someone needs to educate the RHSC on good web design and how to convey information.
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew anything regarding the background of the flag of the
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Yes, but what is the shield inside from? It doesn't match any Wiki article I can find.
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a greek business dealing with flags, according to a book published by them. Reference:
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It's labeled as an alternative variant of the logo of the Scouting Association of the
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject British Royalty#1917 and the inescutcheon of Saxony
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I think an obvious thing missing from these "infoboxes" is the date of the grant.
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Is there any kind person that speaks fluent "blazonish", that could help meĀ ? :D
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Is there a list (or need for a list) of historical British Empire flags? Regards
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It implies a monolithic "Islamic world" with no significant historical change.
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Interesting source for the Coat of arms of Ireland. Visit if desirable. --
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Someone recently created a bunch of individual "X in heraldry" articles:
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I left an identical message at the WikiProject Germany. - Best regards,
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requesting deletion of WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology flags. --
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Probably hoax or proposition. Not listed in FotW, but similar is here
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used by the greek government (See coat of arms and flag of 1st Army:
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Greek flags, arms and insignia (Ī•Ī»Ī»Ī·Ī½Ī¹ĪŗĪ­Ļ‚ Ī£Ī·Ī¼Ī±ĪÆĪµĻ‚, Ī£Ī®Ī¼Ī±Ļ„Ī±-Ī•Ī¼Ī²Ī»Ī®Ī¼Ī±Ļ„Ī±)
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and it looked pretty weird with the current setup of the template.
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Eleni Kokkonis-Lambropoulos & Katerina Korres-Zografos (1997).
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is that of the Sovereign, labelled for difference as in her arms.
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WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology talk page (Discussion page)
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All over Knowledge (XXG), you see paragraphs like this one, at
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Origin of the coats of arms of Germany and its federal states
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