Knowledge talk:WikiProject Ireland/Archive 10

2727:, for example, was a Corkman (a demonym), that is indisuputable, but his article doesn't even state his nationality ("Irish"). It doesn't need to. The value of encyclopedia articles are reduced when they are turned into local pissing grounds. Furthermore, if they see anything, I believe, our readers will expect it to be a nationality not a demonym. Otherwise, we all become Tryonemen, New Yorkers, Londoners, Westerners, South Americans, Asians. If you must do, state our subjects' nationalities ... but please don't even do that unless it is actually pertinent to understanding the subject. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid 2060:. The only exception would be a citation directly quoting the subject regarding their identity. And to be clear on this, it should only be a direct quote from the subject. Holding a certain passport would not do - I only hold an Irish passport, but identity as Northern Irish most of the time. Being described as Irish/Northern Irish by someone else would not do, even if it's from a reliable source. I think this should apply to living people born prior to partition as well. They may have been born in Ireland, but they are currently "from Northern Ireland", as above. Pre-partition and dead = Irish. 1946:, and allows for consensus to establish how they should be applied. Thus there is no longer any need for exceptions. In fact, making exceptions is nonsense, since there are no rules to make exceptions to. These changes are good for specific conventions. Xandar is trying to induce moral panic in those who stand to gain the most from this. Xandar is only opposed to the new version because he thinks the wording, not the general thrust, weakens his position in a dispute unrelated to this RfC. Don't be fooled. 31: 2056:, the issue of identity in Northern Ireland is complicated to say the least. Currently some NI bio articles state that "Stu is an Irish Wikipedian" or "Stu is a Northern Irish Wikipedian". The former is generally used in articles on Catholics, the latter generally on Protestants. Given that identity isn't as simple as this, I propose that all articles should be "Stu is a Wikipedian from Northern Ireland" 2542:

article should be "Stu is a Wikipedian from Northern Ireland", and not "Stu is a Northern Irish Wikipedian" or "Stu is an Irish Wikipedian", unless a source can be found in which Stu states his nationality/identity. This applies to all people born after the creation of Northern Ireland in 1922 whether they are living or dead. People born anywhere on the island of Ireland pre-partition are Irish.

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confers an entitlement to ROI citizenship on people from NI, but there is no "legal" choice" between "British" and "Irish". People from NI are British citizens and may also be citizens of ROI if they so choose. As well as being UK citizens, however, people from NI are also Northern Irish, in the same way as people from England are English and people from Scotland are Scottishm etc.

2137:"Edmund 'Eddie' Irvine, Jr. (born 10 November 1965, Newtownards, County Down) is a former racing driver from Northern Ireland. He grew up in Conlig, County Down, and was influenced by his parents, who were also involved in motor racing. His father, Edmund Sr., and his sister, Sonia (now a physiotherapist), worked with him during his career." 417:. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are 1450:. It's been rated with a C, and since I thought I'd been rather thorough in gathering the scattered info on this obscure text, I was hoping the deficiencies could be explained on the talk page. I would be grateful if additional sources could be pointed out, as I think this little text is rather interesting. Thanks. 2646:

unobstructive factoid which is quickly scanned over in normal reading, into an in your face integral fact that immediately implies it is of upmost importance to the article (assuming you can fit it in the sentence cleanly at all). That is when the 'Eddie Jordan' argument becomes relevant, not for 'Northern Irish'.

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It is all well and good allowing its removal if there is evidence the subject disputes it, that is how you correctly apply BLP, but to move into a default position of 'you are not Northern Irish unless you state it', is frankly not acceptable. There is no basis to the claim that readers see the words

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themselves. I think the problem in far too many articles is that editors extrapolate from the birthplace location to assume a nationality, but that doesn't work very well for people born in Northern Ireland. Since it is probably much easier to find and cite a reliable source for birthplace location,

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It works both ways. As I said above, unless we can find a citation directly quoting the subject regarding their identity then they shouldn't be "Irish" or "Northern Irish". Being called Irish by someone else doesn't count. People's reasons for identifying as Northern Irish are probably widely varied,

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So, "Stu is an Irish Wikipedian"? Or "Stu is a Northern Irish Wikipedian"? Neither. "Stu is a Wikipedian." And then state why he is notable. Later, in the body, you can mention where he's from. Rarely, will it be pertinent in an encyclopedia article to tell me what nationality he considers himself to

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Do I care what arsehole town Eddie Irvine comes from? Do I care about his dad and his sister (lovely as I'm sure they are)? Do I care what his dad's name is or what his sister works at? Why am I being told where he was born ... not just (which is nice) but twice!? How is any of this the kind of stuff

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When have you ever seen such manufactured demonyms in any article? Nobody would ever think to use such unprofessional terms, but their uselessness is in no way comparable to describing someone as Northern Irish. And you hardly need 'Irish' in Jack Lynch when the first line is 'Taoiseach of Ireland'.

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Mick, I agree with just about everything you're saying. When I see Northern Irish I take it as a demonym. I would think most people do. But some people, and admittedly not only those with a nationalist/republican viewpoint, see it as a nationality and therefore object. And they object very strongly,

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That's a rather big misunderstanding. The law does not legislate for how someone identifies him or herself: that is entirely a matter for the individual. All the law can do is confer citizenship. Under UK law, people from NI are UK citizens on the same basis as any other part of the UK. ROI law also

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You will likely have a problem using the non-free logo in the template. Non-free logos are used in infoboxes, with a fair use rationale for that use, to identify the company or organisation. All other uses are usually disputed and deleted or removed. Using it in a template does not satisfy that use,

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I also want to say that I wish more people would upload old photos of Ireland to Knowledge. Photos taken in Northern Ireland in the 1970s and 1980s are hard to come by. This photo is excellent. Another clue as to its pre-dating 1975 is the fact that it's in black-and-white. By 1975, most people used

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Feel free to improve my wording. As Rannpháirtí anaithnid says and explains with his Eddie Irvine/Eddie Jordan analogy, place of birth/nationality shouldn't even be in the lead paragraph unless it is relevant to theit notability, but that's another matter which requires the rewriting of hundreds of

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Just because it is in the "republican lexicon" does not preclude it from being in the use of other lexicons also. I dont see why we should have to dance around Mooretwin wants sentances worded when they are sourced. Active Service, active service and ASU all comply with WP:RS and WP:NPOV and I will

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What would you propose we replace "active service" with? I can't think of anything more neutral off the top of my head. "Died for their country"? Obviously not. "Died while engaged in criminal activities" *click here to open massive can o'worms*. If I heard that an Al Qaeda member, for example, was

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I don't have a problem with describing somebody as Northern Irish. Northern Ireland, even if it isn't a nation, does exist as an official and historically-important province (as evidenced by the extensive media coverage it received during the Troubles), derived from the ancient province of Ulster,

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While you're right, you're talking about improving/rewriting or even creating an entirely new lead in hundreds of articles. This is obviously the best solution, but also the most difficult. In a lot of stubs the lead states "Stu is a Northern Irish Wikipedian" and nothing else, failing to give any

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Scolaire is right when he says it's used by the IRA. So if we acknowledge that it is part of the republican lexicon, then why not use another term which is just as descriptive but not presenting the facts from a republican perspective? ie, "MacManus was killed during a shoot-out after an ambush in

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Good work on the article, and sorry for the lack of response. WP:IE isn't a big project, and there may just have been no-one around who felt competent to provide some help. However, the article does fall within the scope of this project, so I have restored the banner. There's no guarantee that

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of article subjects they might know nothing at all about). And in addition to all of this weighty argument, from a less important sentence structure point of view, 'from Northern Ireland' is not a no-loss alternative, because it changes the use of the -ish demonym as an informative but otherwise

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Biographical articles on people born in the six counties of Northern Ireland post-partition should not have a nationality/identity attached to them, unless a source stating their identity can be found. This source must directly quote the subject themselves. For example, the default wording on an

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from all our keyboards. Although I would learn from the WO:IECOLL lesson. English editors have a very bad habit in my experience of "claiming" famous people. If this was put to a popular vote then before we'd know it everyone would "English" and there would be no such thing as "Irish", "Northern

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I don't really have a problem with Active Service Unit or ASU. (Provided the former is used first in an article) But the use of "on active service" does not comply with RS or NPOV. Some neutral souces may use the term, but they are using in context to the IRA and often in quotation marks. No one

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Could I ask for some input on this emerging problem, concerning the use of the term "killed on active service" in a few IRA articles. There are two viewpoints. One, that this is a term "used by PIRA and supporters/apologists to legitimise their actions as being on a par with military actions" to

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Meanwhile the Eddie Jordan article doesn't mention any of that colloquial business at all. Nothing about his dad or his sister. Nothing about where is was from. We don't need to hear where he's from or what nationality he is because none of that is the most important thing. It's all said in the

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Sometimes I dont even know where to begin with some of the nonsense you come out with. I am not sure respect authors such as Tim Pat Coogan and Peter Hart could be accused of "writing from a PIRA POV". And of course ASU, active service and active service unit are linked. A volunteer would be on

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It is not middle ground if it is only being proposed to calm a tendentious minority pushing a fringe interpretation of simple words, who you just said yourself are well outisde the mainstream view. The fact that Northern Irish people can have British or Irish nationalities or both is explained

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On multiple occasions I have requested reviews of this article by members of this project. It is now a rather robust article that is about to seek GA status. No member has answered my requests for peer review, nor my requests that the project change its status from "start class".

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What BigDunc said. Either the "Words to avoid" policy (can't remember the link code offhand) should apply everywhere (in which case, the word should not be on the Sept 11 article - but good luck trying to remove it) or it should apply nowhere (in which case it should be added to

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policy page, a Request For Comment, (RFC) is now being held to debate the removal of the passage specifying that individual WikiProject and other naming conventions are able to make exceptions to the standard policy of using Common Names as the titles of Knowledge articles.

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cold do with a stack of references, and some embellishment, from reliable sources, so I'd appreciated it if folks raided their cookbooks for references, or any other books for anything related to both potatoes and Ireland really - I am seeing whether we can get

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Moved this to the talk page if this IP really wants an answer, I would think its obvious though. Dublin and Belfast are the capitals of Republic of Ireland / Northern Ireland. All those other cities are not, hence why the capitals are more important. Happy now?

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Categorisation is another issue, I believe the categories changed recently shouldn't have been, for uniformity at least. But this is a seperate debate and one I could not be arsed getting into. But I think we could possible agree on the opening sentence bit.

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for Northern Ireland. Im not defending those other city articles not being marked as high importance, i would say all major cities should be but without doubt the fact Dublin / Belfast are capitals is why they are of higher importance than other cities right

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There's no need to say "killed on active service" at all. It is adequate simply to say "killed". If you really need to say something else, it would be quite easy to use NPOV terms like "killed during an ambush", "killed during a PIRA operation", etc., etc.

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Based on this lack of interest, I am removing the article's Wikiproject Ireland notice. If some member wants to provide some focus and guidance, and relist the article as part of the project, your participation would be very welcome by the active editors.

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Those books all appear to be books about the PIRA, and therefore it is not surprising that they use PIRA terminology. WP, on the other hand, is an encyclopaedia, and NPOV should mean not using PIRA terminology if other terminilogy can readily be used.

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Worse than that Andrew, people assume an identity based solely on their religion - Catholic = Irish, Protestant = Northern Irish, or even in some cases British. There seems to be consensus on this, so I'm suggesting that we add the following to the

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I think it's a useful catch-all term to say they were killed while performing an operation on behalf of group x. Rather than killed in an unrelated incident, which often happened. The idea of it being "republican propaganda" wouldn't cross my mind.

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and am pondering what should be used as the lead image(s). It's not the most important issue in developing the article, but I thought that as the list includes Northern Ireland that editors here may be interested (Northern Ireland's sole WHS is

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being neutral to erase a term from the entire 'pedia (and this has amazingly been attempted even on non-bio articles) just because some editors find it objectionable to their particular world view (and worse, want to see it as objectionable

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Not sure what you mean by saying that is doesn't comply with RS or NPOV, and then in the next sentence saying that "some neutral sources may use the term". Is that not a contradiction? Regarding quotation marks - have you any examples?

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No. It suggests that the operation is legitimate, which is Irish-republican POV. The term is used deliberately to dignify the actions of the organisation by implying that they are legitimately military. There is no need to use the term.

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Actually re-reading Fribber's post above he does say it's from the summer of '70, it's just the summary info on the photo's page that says '75. +1 on the photo, there aren't enough images like this on Knowledge, depressing as they are.

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As this is about a UK nationality, i think the debate will need a wider audience before anything is decided and whilst i have no strong feelings on which method is best i think this should be handled along with a larger reform of the

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article. Given I know very little about Irish geography, if some locals could either create some stubs, or alternately some might warrant subsections of other geographical articles or exist under another name, this'd be very helpful.

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Agree with Fribbler. "Killed on active service" suggests a member of any militant organisation killed while acting for that organisation. The mere fact that it's used by the IRA does not mean it is not a suitable descriptive term.

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This looks earlier than '75 to me. Just going by the clothes and the vehicles in the distance. There was a unionist candidate called McRoberts in the '70 Westminster election, and the stencilled election poster looks fairly fresh.

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It's not only a problem of Northern Ireland related articles. It sometimes seems to me that anyone that can be "grabbed" as being "British" or "Anglo-Irish" gets "wiki owned" by the opposing team. God help you if you call the

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the use of "Northern Irish". Just to remind you - I'm advotacting stripping all of these "-ish's" out unless they are actually relevant. "from Northern Ireland" (just as "from Cork") is by far superior. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid

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I too tried to change it and came up against the same disregard for policy I even attempted to get it delisted as a good article as it fails a couple of the criteria but I was warned off and policy was thrown out the window.

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Quite. That is what I was suggesting - there is no need to use the quasi-military terminology. It is quite a straightforward matter to describe the death of the individuals in quesstion without referring to "active service".

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articles about geographically locatable subjects in Ireland are missing geographical coordinates. Finding the latitude and longitude of locations, and entering coordinates into articles is straightforwards, and explained at

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on that article. As it isn't something I care too much about one way or another I got out of town. If sufficient numbers (backed by numbers of Admins) support the proposition that "the moon is made of cheese" it becomes

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currently contains a notice that it is part of Wikiproject Ireland. This article concerns a little-known church originally formed in Ireland in the 1890s. Most of its membership is now found outside Ireland, however.

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articles and can be dealt with in time. The problem of Irish born people being claimed as Anglo-Irish or British will remain, but again this can be dealt with in time as a separate issue. So how does my wording look?

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has been proposed). I've left a note at the England and Scotland wikiprojects and the Welsh wikipedians' noticeboard to see if the discussion goes anywhere. Please leave any comments on the article talk page. Thanks,

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It is the height of nonsense to dismiss the other cities as less important in an Irish context. Global context, arguably, but in an Irish context, utter nonsense. I mean, is this just about a population count?

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would help with this but its not an area I'm very familiar with and it seems quite complex with all the inter feuding. I'd gladly help if anyone else with a bit more experience was to take it on. Any takers?

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anyone from the project will contribute, but having the banner there places the article in the relevant project categories and may help to bring it to the attention of editors. Its presence does no harm :) --

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Belfast, for example, has only been a city since 1888, whereas Derry, founded in 542, has been a city since 1662. Furthermore Derry is of much greater historical significance than Belfast ( the siege etc.).

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Mulleek", or "MacManus was killed in a shoot-out after an IRA operation in Mulleek" Neither of these two alternatives leaves the reader in any doubt of how or why he was killed, and uses neutral language.

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I thought that myself. 1970-71 to be precise. Sometimes erroneous dates are retrospectively added on the backs of old family photos. Another thing, wouldn't there have been a mural instead of graffiti by

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Unless "Northern Ireland" is crucial to the subject of "Stu", I don't want to hear about it in the first line. What is Stu? A Wikipedian, you say? Great. Now tell me why I should care. Compare:

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I agree, describing someone as "Northern Irish" can imply that a political stance e.g. in favour of a independent "Ulster nation". "from Northern Ireland" strips away that implication.--

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Personally, I think that stating "MacManus was killed on active service during a shoot-out after an ambush in Mulleek" is presenting the facts from a Republican perspective. I feel that

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and assume it denotes a nationality, or worse, that the person is of a particular political or religious persuasion. Nobody would be so assuming as to claim that about use of the term

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I'd be curious to know what Bastun thinks of the use of the term "terrorists" on 9/11 articles and the way you will get blocked in the blink of an eye for even mentioning it on the

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Once you get out of a senstationalist tabloid reporting of "The Troubles" and into scolarly publications the use of ASU, active service and active service unit is common place.--

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tags) to articles on parliamentary constituencies may be misleading to readers. There seems to be a lot of this underway at the moment, including Irish constituencies such as

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Article ratings are subjective, and tend to be the personal opinion of the reviewer. I would suggest contact the user who reviewed the article for their opinion. In this case

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I'm afraid I don't think there's anything better than what you have: "Irish Mercantile Marine during World War II". It's long, but there's no part of it that's dispensable.

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Could someone pop over to the Belfast talk page and give an opinion on the deletion of a few sections. I don't want to delete someone's work without a second opinion. Thanks.

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Hopefully this will solve some problems. I'd ask people to respond only on the subject of discussion, and not let this turn into the usual embarrassing, mudslinging mess :-)

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The above "notification" is a grossly biased misrepresentation of the changes under discussion. The old version of the naming conventions policy tried to lay down binding

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It's not really suitable for the names of modern places, like bridges, buildings and roads, because the Irish name is more than likely a translation of the English e.g. "

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so I suggest you remove it now even though it looks nice. You might want to group the decades or larger number of years together to make it more readable, possibly like

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The template looks great now, though in future years you may have to combine 2 decades in one column so the box does not become too wide or add a line break. Good job.

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And why would Coogan or Hart not be writing from a PIRA POV if they are writing about PIRA? It is possible for the author to write from the POV of his subject.

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It's not, unless the author is writing from a PIRA POV. No-one has objected to ASU or "active service unit", so reference to these above are red herrings.

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By what virtue are Dublin and Belfast of "Top Importance" to WikiProject Ireland while Cork, Derry, Limerick and Galway are merely of "High Importance"?

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What's that got to do with it? The fact that someone from Northern Ireland is entitled to ROI citizenship doesn't mean that they're not Northern Irish.

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which has caused edit wars on this subject for as long as I've been on Knowledge. I'm trying to find some middle ground. Maybe this isn't the solution.

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Correct, people within the UK are British - however, Northern Ireland is (for now) treated different to the remainder of UK. In accordance with the

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Didn't see your section, but totally agree. Is an RFC the best way to proceed? What do you think of my proposal above, for post independence bios?

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Have you ever seen the video on YouTube taken in the Shankill Road in 1973? It's like a time warp. The clothes, hairstyles, vehicles, atmosphere.--

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would have used the term in relation to the IRA, until the IRA started using it themselves. And there is absolutely no way it complies with NPOV.

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This WikiProject is being notified since it operates such a specific naming convention. Editors are invited to comment on the proposed change at

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Fair enough, those work. I really don't think this is as important an issue as people are making out. But hey! This is WP:IE/WP:NI; we could

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The neutral from Northern Ireland is the only way to go on this as it just states the facts and makes no claims to a disputed nationality.

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Up for. All features, both human and physical geography, and anything else that doesn't cover. And why is {{Irish place name}} limited to

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I posted this on the NI Wikiproject, and including it here too for more ideas. Could anyone suggest an article which would benefit from

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None, only I had been working on towns/villages and no mountains/rivers. You'd be up for geographic features too? --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid

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now has a set of per-county subcategories, which I hope will make geotagging these articles easier for editors with local knowledge.

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in other bio's instead of Irish, because the meaning is actually very well understood in the English speaking world). It is frankly

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pages. The result of this poll will be binding on the affected article names for a period of two years. This poll arose from the

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more detail on his notability. I'm just looking a quick fix solution to avoid some current edit wars, and prevent future ones.

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I agree this is a wider problem taking in both the living and the dead. Personally, I'd be in favour of removing the letters

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I will then manually go through that category and remove the category link from pages that are not Irish language names e.g.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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perfectly well in that article, for anybody who might get confused. Transferring that confusion to every single biography

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Per normal BLP guidelines, I believe that "from Northern Ireland" should be used when there is a reliable source for the

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both. Thats the law - recognised not only by the Irish government, but the British government and also internationally.--

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killed on "active service" I wouldn't blink. He was serving the organisation he was a member of, whatever their ideals.

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Bad example that article is censored with an iron fist by flag waving yanks any attempt at discussion leads to blocks.

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No it's not if it uses Northern Irish it is using a term not used by all the population and in fact despised by some.

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Belfast is not the capital of Northern Ireland, London is! And anyway, on what basis is a capital more important?

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Completely different case Scotish people are not entitled to Irish citizenship by birth as people from NI are.

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British, is the correct descriptive, IMHO. Northern Ireland is within the United Kingdom (as are its people).

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therefore if someone was born in Northern Ireland they are by default Northern Irish. In some cases, such as

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Cork's foundation predates Dublin's. Waterford's city charter dates from 1171, the same year as Dublin's.

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I disagree with the GFA, British & Irish governments choice. But, there's not much I can do about it.

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Personally, I'm not of fan of "Northern Irish". "...from Northern Ireland" is fine. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid

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articles would last before being reverted on the same NPOV grounds, despite there being plenty of neutral

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates#Use_of_co-ordinates_in_parliamentary_constituencies

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Lets wait and see what others think if those other city articles should be classed as high importance.

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Cool - Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Manx, and ... British. I can live with that ;) --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid

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The ranking level clearly lacks objectivity, consistency, rationale and most of all credibility.

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I already did try to change it at 9/11 (per suggestion on the talkpage). They aren't much into

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It's relevant because "Northern Irish" is not a nationality - whereas British and Irish are.--

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I'd like to request a bot to make an edit to all Irish towns and villages (i.e. everything in

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this for now, needs more thought than I put into it. Specifically on RA's and Mick's points.

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Following on from an ANI discussion, I'd like some input on this with a mind to adding to at

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Note that, as with other top-level country categories in this hierarchy, this is for the

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I agree with the addition drafted by Stu, ...from Northern Ireland is as I said neutral.

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I think "from Northern Ireland" would be the phrase used for most biographic articles. —

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No it is not, it is Knowledge taking a non-neutral view on what 'Northern Irish' means.

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would be helpful. There appears to be an inconsistency in that the names of victims of

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From my own personal experience, I have heard many Nationalists say they are are from

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quote Mooretwin. The other, that this is a NPOV term used by other non-IRA sources.

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so there is consistent use. This matter clearly does not just impact on Ireland and

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Specifically the template differs from {{lang-ga}} (which just says something like

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or any other widely recognisable demonym, so nobody should be doing the same for

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Same thing (sorta), I still have no choice. 'Northern Irish' simply will not do.

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I've added my 2 cent worth. Limbo is certainly correct regarding the practice in

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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the choice comes down between using 'British' or 'Irish'. Then we use British.

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Hi, I have created a navbox for the winners of the Tidy Town Competition on my

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I'm now beginning the process of re-filing some 1,400 articles currently in

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cannot be divorced from (you would not for example ever get away with using

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I'm creating an article on the Irish mercantile marine during the emergency

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Just wondering - what co-ords do you expect for a bus tour, which wanders?

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Well i would be voting for people to be labelled as British not English ;)

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Breakdown by counties of Ireland articles missing geographical coordinates

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an Irishman - his wiki bio is stridently "Anglo-Irish". Did you know that

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Talk:List of UNESCO World Heritage Sites in the United Kingdom#Lead image

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Knowledge:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration/Poll on Ireland article names

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I am concerned that the application of geographical co-ordinates (or of

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to lead with in an international encyclopedia? It's colloquial stuff.

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for input - she's done loads of work on the Irish road network.

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I think the current situation strikes about the right balance.

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atrocities are being removed form articles under the guise of

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Category:Northern Ireland articles missing geocoordinate data

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It wasn't the governments choice but the people of Ireland.

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Thanks for your comments, I think i will go ahead with this

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bombing/shooting/ambush" being added to any of the relevant

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would last if altered to read "On that morning, 19 Al-Qaeda

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It looks perfect. There shouldn't be any objections :-) --

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be or what passport(s) he holds. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid

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The relevance/significance of your comment escapes me.

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any less of a POV push than what is occuring is here.

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mind "It suggests that the operation is legitimate".--

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I have 'launched' it - but I still have a lot to do.!

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of Ireland; for the counties of Northern Ireland see

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Use of ROI national flag to represent Provisional IRA

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continue to use them and maintain them in articles.--

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London is the capital of the United Kingdom, but the

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I've recently added an article on the the murder of

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to even suggest there might be an alternative view.

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Importance Level of Cork, Derry, Galway and Limerick

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