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page even stated that they did not have much knowledge of LGBT music. All up the page is pretty empty and anyone searching for answers on LGBT music on Knowledge will be pretty disappointed with what they find, but more importantly they will get the impression that not much has been done or is around and this is just not the case. To help rectify this and to make a contribution to the page I added a section on an album I released back in 2008, it was produced and released because at the time (and for the 10 years before when I had first decided to make it) there was pretty-much nothing available mainstream for gay people to listen to unless it was dance music in a club, you never heard a gay song on a mainstream radio show for instance and I was angry that many songs which have been around for decades and which have male pronouns in them were only ever sung by female singers and that when listened to the guy had to translate in his head to a guy's voice or just have a girl singing a love song to him which is ridiculous when you are a gay man. I took 13 well-known classic songs, all with male pronouns in the lyrics and just sang them with a deep male voice. I released the album in 2008, it was played on JOY FM (gay FM radio station) here in Melbourne on several different radio shows, some songs received airplay on American internet radio shows also, and one song was even nominated for a 2009 OUTmusic award for best international song. The CD is now in the collection of the National Library of Australia and I have also done my very best as an independent operator to make sure it was available for the gay population to find in many and varied stores online. It never made any money, that was not the point of it, it was purely to right a wrong against gay people I had seen in place for decades, so I made it on a social justice basis. There is ample evidence out there to show that the album was released in 2008, there are still a couple of articles and interviews online about it, it's in several library resources online showing the release date and there are records online of one track from it being nominated for the OUTmusic award which proves un-reservedly that it was made by a gay person for a gay market (otherwise it could not have been included in the awards). All this is not in question and on the public record. Anyway, I wanted people doing research on these old songs (some of them are from the 1920's) to know that they had been covered by a gay man for a gay audience, so a couple of years ago I went to each page that existed for each song and in the "covers" section I put a simple reference to the album and artist name so that whoever reading through the covers would realize that this song has been covered as a gay track back in 2008. There were many other covers included at the time on all these tracks, some had links to the artist's Knowledge page, many did not. Recently though, an editor has taken it upon himself to 'clean-up' many of the songs, citing that the cover versions are not 'notable' and he removed all entries relating to the tracks I put in. I reverted the edits a couple of times but the editor just kept changing them back and threatened me with a ban if I continued. All he was citing was that the artist 'Wilshier' is not notable enough to have a reference to anything on Knowledge, and said that Wilshier had to have a Knowledge page of his own in order to qualify to have these tracks mentioned which is incorrect, as many people mentioned on Knowledge do not have pages and never will, in any case it is not the artist who is the point of these entries, it is the fact these songs were recorded and released back in 2008 in a mainstream way specifically for a gay audience, this is significant and important for our gay history and needs to be available for people to know when they are doing gay social studies research. The fact that there was really nothing else around in the way of normal gay music back in 2008 (these songs are not political, not sexual and not ghetto, they are just normal songs which straight people have enjoyed for decades, nothing else was around like that for gay people at the time) means that this release is MORE notable, not less, and that at the time something was made and released publicly which had significance for the gay community. This needs to be recorded on the Knowledge LGBT area. So after the entries were deleted by this editor I went to the LGBT page (which did not even exist at the time the album came out by the way, gay music was still invisible in mainstream media then,) and saw how empty the page was and decided to make an entry about the album being released in 2008 there, it did fit perfectly with what the page was trying to say. Now this editor has started a personal vendetta against me, even though he doesn't know I am actually the artist, he does think I am connected to the artist and am trying to promote which is not true. He has now deleted the section I included on the LGBT page as well, I might say that I have tried to discuss this with the editor in question

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involved through 3rd opinion on the talk page of one of the songs questioning your notability argument and then citing that maybe the refs were doubtful, that you have now changed it to being about the refs. Now you are saying that it is because references are not sufficient and it is looking more and more like you are just trying to prevent any mention of this release for any reason possible, citing that it is being promoted. It is not being promoted, it is an old album almost 10 years old which was never intended to be a hit, and the artist who made it had no desire to be famous, the only important thing is that it was offered to the gay public where there was no music around in the mainstream arena, and for correct history of gay music and efforts to make it socially acceptable, for anyone doing research in the future, it is important to show that this release was made at the time it was. You appear to be following my every move manually (which could be construed as harassment/bullying) by checking my contributions because you have got it in your head that this entry is to promote and nothing more, yet you do not understand the significance of the release to the gay community. I cite the refs I do because I was NOT a self promoter at the time and as the release was in 2008 many of the interviews and articles are now gone as many online mags and other places do not keep old copies of their issues online. I could provide links to many many online stores which show the release date and that it came out when it did, however I would not link to these in a pink fit as it would then be seen to be promoting a product. People can find the release easily by doing a simple Google search at any time, it is not for Knowledge to have links like that, Knowledge is for information and research. You may not understand, but the release was notable at the time and still is for what it tried to achieve, and needs to be recorded. It's release date is in the public domain, it is included in a gay award ceremony which means it was a gay record made by a gay person for a gay audience, all this is verifiable, so your new excuse that the refs are not sufficient to allow the inclusion of this release on a LGBT page is not convincing.

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destructive edits, he will cite an edit war and attempt to shut me down via a ban. It is not against the rules of Knowledge for a person connected to a project or anything else to do their own edits, as long as the information is correct and verifiable and is neutral and not biased, but this editor has made up his mind that the artist is not notable enough therefore the release is not to be mentioned and this means one person who does not understand gay issues and our history is being allowed to adversely influence what other gay people read (or in this case are unable to read). I am just trying to be helpful to the gay community by having accurately recorded history of ours out there to find, that's why I did the album in the first place back then, to help because there wasn't anything around at the time, so it doesn't seem right that one person with a bee in his bonnet should be able to delete this reference which has importance to those in the gay community. The album was released back in 2008 to the general public for a gay audience, this is irrefutable and verifiable, so it needs to be included on the LGBT music page. Here are the links I used as external sources for the section, , but the section including external refs will still be in the pages edit history anyway. I don't care if the quote is removed though I felt at the time it was important to show why the recording was released and it was supported with an external ref to the interview anyway, I only care that the reference to the release is there, for all the reasons listed above. The editor has stated to me on the last instance;

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it is not about the artist anyway, it is ALL about the relevance that a gay album was released back in 2008 when there was nothing else around and this is of historical importance to the gay community as a whole. As I said, it is on the public record that this album was made in 2008, released to the public in 2008, the nature of the album is gay and that it was even recognized and included in a major gay music awards show the next year. Whether or not the artist is notable, the album certainly does deserve to be included on the LGBT music page to reflect accurately what happened at the time and to show that there were efforts being made publicly to serve a gay market with mainstream music. I would love to put back the section I wrote, however it seems that this editor in question has me on a watchlist of some kind and whatever I do on Knowledge he will check and remove if it is at all connected to the name Wilshier. This means he has made it impossible for me to include the album on the LGBT music page or anywhere else on any LGBT page, no matter how important or valid it is to the gay community's historical records. So I am asking for an editor connected to the LGBT Studies project, to please go to the LGBT music page

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notable for being a gay release to mainstream where there were none or little at the time and where the LGBT page was talking exactly about this topic. A track from the release was included in the gay version of the Grammys held following year (2009) for heaven's sake and this is completely verifiable through several sources, if this does not make a release notable what does? (And this is ignoring the importance of the release to the gay community, something which is not in your area of expertise so you can be forgiven for not understanding, and trying to apply 'straight' rules of notability to a gay issue which is different due to the smaller size and more invisible nature of out gay people and product within various industries). In any case, just linking to someones supporting OPINION in an article or website that it was a notable release to the gay community (which is what you are requesting) does not mean nearly as much as showing hard evidence that it was included in a major gay music awards event just after release.

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here you are adding to the inactive list, please scroll up for the active section" but there is nothing at the top, only the start of the inactive section and this is reached by clicking the 'edit' link on the active section and also by clicking the "add your name to the list" main link. In fact as far as I can tell all links are taking you to the inactive section only. It says at the top that all are welcome to join and I wish to join, but it seems something in the formatting of this page prevents people from adding their names to the relevant section which means people are currently unable to join and contribute. Am I doing something wrong, or has the page been compromised? Thanks.

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the page to auto add a new section, but I did manage to use an existing section and add to that and it has added a new separate section underneath it. But it is still not possible to add a section or comment on the talk page there using the normal means, which may explain why the main page is so bare of content and the talk page only has two very old sections on it created in 2011. Anyway, I apologize and have moved the conversation there.

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terrorism motive, like targeting other groups such as Jewish or racial minorities. His story has been covered over the span of decades from a terrorism related fraud case to solving the case over the course of several months in 2014. The tags claim that Seattle and New Jersey media and CNN are not reliable, that a case of 4 murders and a fraud case over decades is not notable, and therefore the article is simply original research.

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again the lawyer letter indicates that.) Were we to have an appropriate post-transition photo, then there would be arguments to be made on both sides (do we depict the subject as they are now, or as they were at their time of the source of their notability?) However, the inherently imaginative work of a drawing versus the genuine if composed capture of a photographic image tilts the situation heavily to one side. --

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transmale / gay transmale; he looks before (he knows himself) as androphile ciswoman / straight ciswoman. Sexual identity is part of the whole identity of a human. So sexual identity is often used as a synonyme to sexual orientation identity, in English it seems much more as in German and much more in the present, but is not always. The root of this identity-tower/sandwich/layers goes back to Ulrichs or Hirschfeld.

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Basically, there is no possible way that the outcome can be anything but a "male sports fans" opinion, which would be in no way representative of what our readers want and would necessarily be significantly skewed toward the less accepting male view of transgenderism. Unless a better way can be found to do this, these results are completely invalid and should be ignored, leaving

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take the term for sexual orientation identity which is choosen in their view. (This makes much confusion in the Ex-Gay-diaolog or dialog with conservatives. You speak te same words, but mean totally differnt parts and in most conversation you don't recognice it.) Same Sex Attraction is also used in sciencific for the whole range of attraction.

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and then even once we instituted a rule that everybody had to have a source before they could be added at all, people started adding fake sources that didn't actually support the person they were adding (e.g. just copying and pasting a source that was already present to support somebody else), or didn't even exist at all.

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articles, and that "sexual preference" is commonly taken to mean "sexual orientation" (though scholars often distinguish the two these days), why do we need a Sexual preference article? It would be wholly redundant to the Sexual orientation and Sexual identity articles. As you've surely seen, "sexual

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But every single reason you have given for removal of any and all refs to this cover album were stated by you from the start to be regarding the fact the the artist was not notable enough, this was the sole reason you gave and there was no mention of the ext refs. It is only now since a 3rd party got

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but he refuses to respond to the relevance of the gay issues of these tracks being released and is making it all about the fact the the artist has not had a chart success a biography written or his own Knowledge page. These things would only constitute that the artist was a probable self-promoter and

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Hi. I was trying to add my username to the active members list but in edit mode it only allows you to add to the inactive members list, which it says people are moved to after 6 months of inactivity. It is not showing any input area for active members, only for inactive, it says "if you add your name

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I strongly support using the post-transition drawing. Drawings and photos are both attempt to depict reality, and it could be argued that photographs because they are an attempt to replicate reality, are also fictions in the way drawings are. Regardless of that technicality, I think we should use the

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We certainly use artwork for leads on people for whom no photo exists (individuals who predate photography, for example). However, it looks to me that in the understandable goal of supporting "depict them by their gender image" default, Manning is being treated as a presumed statistic, rather than an

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I realize Knowledge requires a NPOV, which I very much respect, but I think it is safe to assume that many WikiProject LGBT studies participants are very excited and personally affected by today's Supreme Court ruling. This is an historic day! Surely there will be a whirlwind of updates to Knowledge

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Especially roman catholics use the term "homosexual tendencies" (German "homosexuelle Neigungen"). Evangelicals use more "Same sex attraction" (no long used term in German, sometimes "Gleichgeschlechtliche Anziehung"). This is not choosen. In their world there is mostly no sexual orientation or they

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What we've ultimately done is to keep the lists under permanent semi-protection, so that only users with autoconfirmed privileges can edit them directly — an unregistered or new editor who wants to edit the list can do so only by making an edit request on the talk page. In theory, a more established

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And I will also say that the LGBT music page is almost bare, it has little or no information on it about LGBT music, other than a few references to people like Elton John and Sylvester, for anyone visiting that page they will see more or less nothing of any interest other than a few extremely famous

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I need some help. Before I continue, I will disclose that I am the artist in question. Ok, I went to the LGBT music page and saw that it was pretty empty, there is not much on it, references to some people but little in the way of any real information and on the talk page, the person who created the

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Stay cool. I suggest thinking carefully about the guidance on systemic bias, which is accepted as an issue generally by the Knowledge community. A possible supplement to !vote type discussions is to have the discussion broken into viewpoints. If self identified members of subgroups (like LGB, T and

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as to weather the sentence "Rape on college campuses occurs against against both genders and all ethnicities, and social classes." or "Rape on college campuses occurs against all genders, ethnicities, and social classes." would be more appropriate, with a user citing reliable dictionary definitions

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I can understand how you could have interpreted invitation to discussion on the project banner in that way, but that's not its purpose. The project banner is merely drawing attention to fact that the article is relevant to this project. Frankly I find the whole concept of an article on "LGBT music"

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has a banner at the top which requests people with text and a link to come to this page to discuss, however I have moved the conversation to the talk page as you have requested. It is currently not possible to add a new section or concern using a normal edit link on that talk page, there is none on

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are designed to avoid damage to the subject; the message we received from her lawyer makes it clear that she does not consider this damaging. (That guideline also notes that identifying them in context by their prior perceived gender is acceptable if the subject has indicated such a preference, and

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I believe, for many LGBT YouTubers, especially those who have found fame or increase fame through a coming out video, being an LGBT YouTuber is a defining characteristic, just like the Gay politicians or Gay writers category. However, a user has nominated the category LGBT YouTubers for deletion.

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have often been a magnet for tendentious or inappropriate edits, having frequently had people added to them who definitely aren't LGBT, who are rumoured to be LGBT but haven't come out, or who sometimes don't even have articles at all (such as classmates) as a form of vandalism or attack editing —

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as it is, as the previous consensus was arrived at through discussion about transgender individuals who were not athletes, leading to a more balanced and more accepting result. That is, the past consensus more accurately reflects the general opinion of Knowledge editors as the inherent biases were

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of all the Wikipedias, 91% of respondents were male. There are significant differences in the acceptance of trans people between males and females surveyed, with men being significantly less accepting than women of transgender individuals, with white males being the least accepting among males and

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Even though this 3rd opinion was offered as an informal dispute resolution, it is still offered by someone who seems to know what he's talking about but you have chosen to ignore it. In the case of this release, it is not notable (as I keep saying) because of the artist who made it, it is entirely

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Sorry, I am new to Knowledge editing and still learning, I have just seen the edit tab next to the read one at the top of the talk page so comments and sections can be added normally, I was looking for a blue edit link in the page itself. With regards to LGBT music, if it is music released by gay

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is the prime suspect in a series of 4 murders including 2 LGBT who were lured on Grindr, he has told authorities he was motivated by vengeance for wars in the middle east and his religion, which would be a case of Islamists specifically targeting LGBT as a cover story for the actual anti-American

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Sexual identity can have also more parts: From biological sex (new more different: genetical sex, gonadal, hormonal sex, genitals), gender identity, social sex role until sexual orientation (identity) on the top. This makes i.e. a gay cismale or androphile cismale or other exaple: a androphile

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So, 60% of the 84% male editor population is about 50% of Knowledge editors, while 40% of the 16% female editor population is 6.4%. Even assuming the unlikely high number of 4.6% for the trans editor population, that puts the expected ratio of female+trans to male editors responding at 1 in 6.

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in songs, which is not even "music" at all by definition (it's words sung to music). It vaguely gestures to the idea of music - or rather popular music - associated with or popular with sections of the LGBT community, but that's all. I think a case could be made that the whole article could be

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that an RfC would be the best way forward and no one has suggested an alternative. As the policy is not clear-cut when it comes to balancing encyclopaedic/technical accuracy and the ethical respect for self-identity, I suggest anyone with a strong view help out with getting the RfC written and

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and re-insert the reference to the album for the benefit of those doing research in future. I can't do it myself I have found (I am pretty new as an editor to Knowledge and am only just learning things) as whatever I put up this editor will remove again and if I just keep trying to revert his

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in particular, and not those who reject it or prefer an alternate term. And the presence of a list in a topic's head article is rarely if ever a reason to avoid spinning off a standalone list — in many other cases on Knowledge, a list in the head article is treated as the first step

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requires that attribution be given. Secondly I personally don't see how age of consent has to do with LGBT rights...let alone be the first thing people see on the pages inquestion. I simply dont have the time to fix all of them...did alot..but would like some help...pls see

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about what the criteria is for inclusion. I'm not sure that the music is notable enough to be included on pages about the songs you did covers of, but it may warrant inclusion on the LGBT music article (honestly I have no idea). I recently started similar conversations on

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artists for a gay audience, it is by definition gay (or LGBT) music. That's why the OUTmusic awards and other gay music festivals were created and run, in order to specifically recognize LGBT music. If there was no such thing as LGBT music these events would not exist.

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people are gay and a few other extremely famous people are gay sympathizers. The page desperately needs input and more content and this piece I put in was to help with that and assist in giving some information on gay music history. It is factual and it is verifiable.

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That, or pending changes so that the users can technically edit the page but would have to have their edits approved by a more established editor before they actually appear in the article, should be done in this case as well — I know Knowledge doesn't

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For anyone interested: the problem was s sloppy edit by someone trying to add a user to the members list. That update added text in front of a heading (like this: junk==Members==), so the heading could not be recognized. I've cleaned that up.

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user could still come and "vandalize" the pages with impunity, but that's not who was normally doing it — it was typically coming from drive-by editors of the IP or new-username varieties, who are properly controlled by the protection.

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Sexual Orientation has more Measures: sexual behavior, sexual/romantic attraction, sexual (orientation) identity ("sexual orientation identity" was "prominent" used in an 2009 APA document to clarify what change mostly in

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There is nothing stopping anyone adding a section by 'normal means'. I think s/he means that there is no "Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic" link at the top of the page as there is here.

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and check a few of the flagged concerns. Comments welcome regarding potential improvements. These likely copyright violations can be searched by WikiProject categories. Use "control-f" to jump to your area of

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2.) Upload photographs or other media related to LGBT culture and history, including pride events, and add images to relevant Knowledge articles; feel free to create a subpage with a gallery of your images (see

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the eventual spinoff of a standalone list, once either the number of entries to list and/or the length of the main article justify the creation of the standalone. So this isn't duplication — it can easily be a

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articles today and for the next few days. I invite project participants to commemorate today's ruling by creating and improving LGBT-related content at Knowledge and other Wikimedia projects. The annual

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image that corresponds with the current identity of a person, that's why I've always supported images that reflect the subject of biography's age even if there are higher res. etc. photos available.

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need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Knowledge, plain and simple, and all are welcome!

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growing up or still don't feel quite one gender, but don't identify as genderqueer, non-binary, or as something similar to that." At least now there is a discussion at that talk page about it.

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Gay cover album reference on LGBT music page is being deleted by an editor with no understanding of it's relevance to the gay community and I am unable to maintain this entry without assistance

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article in lieu of a comment Hoffer made about identifying as "genderless". It would be really helpful if some more experienced editors could comment on how to handle the BLP concerns.

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I would suggest raising the issue for discussion on the article's talk page, so that the other editors involved have a chance to explain their concerns. There does seem to be a case of

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in one of the articles. Verified with multiple articles on Vicens (found no others on Blanch). When I checked to make sure the article was not an orphan, I found that it links to

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I just completed an article as part of a project to increase the coverage on English language pages of things on corollary other-language wikis. The subject was a Mexican actress

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to mention a cover song performed by the artist. It's the most basic threshold that all the editors agree upon. That's why I hammered on notability right off the bat.

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Nobody's suggesting that the list should include everybody who identifies outside of the gender binary in any way at all; it should include only people who can be

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in an article about the gayest city in America (Tacoma). I don't want to over- or under-emphasize this. Collaboration on the draft is invited and welcome. —

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I had the same problem you did when working from an iPhone. Then using Firefox on a laptop, no problem at all. You can also access the Members file directly

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I definitely see your point with using a post-transition photo, but is there precedent for using a drawing as the lead image? Would readers find it strange?

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is not complete. But there is a good explanation: " as they see sexual preference as incorrectly suggesting that sexual orientation is a matter of choice."

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Just letting people know about the following deletion discussion which has veered into transgender issues so is therefore relevent to this project:

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I'm not sure why you feel it is not possible to add a new section there using a normal edit; I just did so as a test edit (and then undid it.) --

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I'd like to point out that this whole survey process is pretty much invalid. Transgender people make up an estimated 2 to 5% of the population.

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on the list, I was like, "Oh no, someone is taking liberty with her words. Where has she stated that she is genderqueer? A lot of kids were

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I know nothing about about music and less than nothing about LGBT music, but it may be useful to have a conversation on the talk page of

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Egypt condemned for upholding right to deport gay foreign nationals after court bans Libyan national accused of homosexuality re-entry

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with my concerns. Agreed that there's no problem having a standalone list; my concern is with terminology and self-identification.

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Age of consent is of interest when a jurisdiction sets different ages for same-sex vs. different-sex interactions. Otherwise not.

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and I've had a look around for sources and his wedding is all that seems to be covered - I'm not sure his military career meets

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I see, in English it is much more used for sexual orientation then in German. But not complete like some dictionaries claims.

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as part of an argument for renaming the page, there are a number of people who id as something other than male or female but

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Did you notice the significance of the date? Lawrence v. Texas 26 June 2003, Windsor 26 June 2013, and yesterday's ruling?

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given the redundancy of the tags used, but, much more significantly, there are serious sourcing issues with that article.--

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I tried to make this case; the response then was to keep the status quo. This week someone else brought it up, and there's

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locking pages any more than it absolutely has to, but there are certain cases where it's entirely appropriate, as the

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Can somebody help out with this article about the first US military officer to have a same-sex wedding? I declined a

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article" to it so that it is specific as to what the section is about and will be easier to locate once archived.

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We have an editor copy and pasting from Knowledge age of consent info to all the LGBT country articles as seem

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This is also why the alleged canvassing above cannot be expected to change the outcome in any significant way.

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http://www.queerty.com/will-adam-lambert-be-at-tonights-outmusic-awards-do-you-even-know-what-that-is-20091208

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campaign ends in a few days, so now is the perfect time to contribute and share the results of your work

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Every time an editor has created a Sexual preference article for Knowledge, it has turned out poorly.

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A new copy-paste detection bot is now in general use on English Knowledge. Come check it out at the

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since you're more seasoned editors who might be able to offer a more informed perspective than me.

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was shared by Knowledge's account and therefore reached more than 46,000 users! Happy editing, ---

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as reasoning to use the first option. I'd appreciate anyone chiming in on the discussion. Thanks,

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Talk:Gender identity disorder#Gender dysphoria as commonly recognisable and less judgemental name

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shows the term is still not used in any precise way. At most it could be a disambiguation page.

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going on about it on the talk page. I thought it would be wise to bring it to the attention of

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I think this series of articles is little known. Most states are in need of a caring editor.

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and it is the trend in the sciencific publication to not use it for sexual orientation. --

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Somewhere between 58-63% of males are sports fans, while only 36-41% of woman are fans.

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While I understand your frustration with the discussion, you might want to check out

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sources to establish the importance of a fact. None of your sources were sufficient.

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sexual preference (the term used in ICD-10) or paraphilias (the term used in DSM-IV)

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not exaggerated by the attraction of sports fans to the previous discussions.

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Adult Dating Site Hack Reveals Users' Sexual Preference, Extramarital Affairs

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Should Your Sexual Identity Be Standard Information On Your Medical Records?

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The Psychology of Prejudice and Discrimination: Bias based on gender ...,

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preference" currently redirects to the Sexual orientation article and is

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with the widest gap between white male and white female opinions.

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