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Ok, I added in some of the derm categories just to better develop the rough draft, not to suggest the categories I have used are going to stay that way. In fact, please consolidate where desired. Perhaps some of you other editors can help me design the derm scheme? Also, perhaps we should somehow
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What about arranging the categorisation scheme like the ATC tree? Since some of the categories will have more than one parent, we can't avoid some categories appearing in the scheme several times (at least I can't think of a way) – and this would give us an "ATC code to category conversion table" and
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Now that we have consensus that consolidating ATC categories when possible is the way to go, I think it would be helpful to have an "ATC code to category conversion table," so editors can easily look up where a drug should be placed. With that being said, how should the table be structured? Perhaps
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I think the tree gives us a nice view of how the structure looks/is developing, while the table gives us an easy reference to see where categories have been consolidated. With that being said, I like the additional cross reference column you created. Are there any other columns you think we should
1199:(Antibiotics and chemotherapeutics for dermatologic use). This one will get rather large, and overlap heavily with other ATC groups (J Antiinfectives, G01 Gynaecological antiinfectives, S01 Ophthalmologicals). Maybe breaking it down to third or fourth level would make matters simpler in this case.
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I think since this is simply a conversion table we shouldn't get to fancy merging cells, but, when needed, simply list the same category twice. So for D01B and D01BA, I would prefer to simply list the "Systemic antifungals" category twice. How do you feel about
888:. As always, feel free to change anything you don't like. I also merged table rows again since the formatting (italics/other ATC codes) gets a bit confusing otherwise in my opinion. Please tell me if you find a better solution (or just change it). Thanks --
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I can't think of any other important columns. Other links (like to the corresponding articles) can be included in the category headers, otherwise the table might get a bit bloated. What do you mean with your last question? Where could other levels link to?
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Thanks for your comment. I would tend to favor having both the category tree view and a conversion table as I think combining them might make organization a big more cumbersome. So, for your example, I would display the information as follows:
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For ATC codes with terms like "other" or "various," like "D04AX Other antipruritics," should we just categorize those drugs in the category that is found immediately above? So for the drugs under D04AX, we would put them in the category for
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I have marked ATC codes with no corresponding categories with a "—" (e.g. empty ATC groups or groups with only combination products which don't need their own WP articles). Probably needs an explaining sentence at the top; but how does that
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Could you wait with D03, D07 and the antihistamines (or just have a look at the issues I posted above)? The internet access here is way to slow for some useful recherche and/or discussion. I'll be properly back in two weeks' time. Thanks
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I'd propose only going down to level 3 in the following groups: D02, D03, D05, D09; otherwise the categories will get very small. This isn't saying I want all the other ATC codes split down to level 4; I'm not sure about
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605:, but that looks disastrous. I think we are fine with the different background colours; but I have added an additional caption line above each section... the table will get rather long. Please revert if you disagree. --
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At the moment, they look a bit erratic, but we'll be fine if we put them on separate pages (or on one page with section headers in between – perhaps we should wait and see how long they really get before splitting).
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I separated all the first level codes into their own tables; how does that look? Perhaps we should move these ATC to category conversion tables to their own page since they're going to get long? ---
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glucocorticoids, not preparations, and 2. we would avoid double categorisation of oral and topical GCs; many of these substances can be used both ways anyway.
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As always, feel free to change anything you think appropriate. Thanks --
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It would be nice to include the cross refs. What do you think of this:
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Ok, I have inserted the level one ATC derm cats into the scheme at
1072:. If those look ok to you, I may start categorizing articles? ---
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179:. Thanks again everyone for your help! ---
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