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they're a monicot, but I need specific cultivars, links to the correct species articles, what's a plantain, versus a banana, botanically speaking, and the parent of the dessert banana.) Bananas are a large, valuable, and well-studied export crop for Côte d'Ivoire, so detailed information about bananas in Côte d'Ivoire is available, but the general botany for

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where he says of the Lauraceae that the seed contains a straight embryo and no endosperm. Cronquist concurs in his famiy description, so it looks as though the mass of tissue I had intrpreted as endosperm may be the cotyledons. What I wouldn't give for access to a microtome and decent microscope...

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And I don't see that there's significant ambiguity here to merit all the work to do the change. Two of the four definitions in the OED are Poaceae-specific. Of the other two, one is arguably Poaceae (source of hay), and the fourth is a non-specific sense for which no category would be likely to be

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sorry if i am a bit slow to understand this :P The avocado seed had a endosperm, but this dies slowly as the seed grows inside the fruit so that a grown up seed ( like the one in the diagram) has an embryo with two overgrown cotyledons( the mass arround the little white embryo). right? so to correct

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My thanks to both of you. Now all I have to do is figure out the difference between "follicles woody" and "follicles cartilaginous", which is apparently a different sufficient to split at subgeneric rank; and how it is possible for one of my sources to refer to the follicles of that subgenus as both

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I'm guessing that if you think back on your dissection, you'll remember that the surrounding tissue separated into two parts, which are the two cotyledons. Something similar occurs in peanuts, peas, and beans: the swollen cotyledons occupy the bulk of the seed, and the remainder of the embryo holds

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Thanks, Curtis, but I was hoping for something a little more scholarly. The first two Google hits you cite are to documents that conflate the palm and the cycad. The palm is monocarpic; the cycad is not. The palm flowers and dies at age 7-15 years; the cycad can live far in excess of 100 years

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A less practical option would be to germinate a seed and see if the seedling has large or small cotyledons. Or maybe find a picture of a seedling on the web. EncyloPetey, I have a good microscope (not often used any more), what would be much more practical would be a good stereoscope, I find what

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On reflection, I think you're (almost) right, Hardyplants. "follicles woody" means "follicles hard and tough and brittle"; "follicles cartilaginous" means "follicles hard and tough but pliable". My second source, which is horticultural rather than systematic, has picked up only half the meaning of

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says there are 25 species in Indo-Malaysia and the western Pacific. Unless the genus has been reworked to synonymize most of the species, or unless a splinter genus has been broken off, then the site listing more species is probably correct. All our article says is that it "includes" those three

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he two "arms" might be rudimentary petioles attaching the cots to the seedling or are the leaves of the developing seedling, the cotyledons remain unmoved as the seed germinates and the seedling grows. If the seed in covered with soil, As the seedling grows it breaks the seed coat and produces a

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That's completely contrary to my experience with avocado seeds. Most Magnoliid seeds contain copious endosperm and small embryos. The cotyledons are usually small and do not absorb the endosperm prior to germination the way that legumes do. I'm the one who recommended LadyOfHats use an avocado

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being double-listed (when it would just be in Pyrus according to the above), this seems to be the current practice. Now, we could change this, and even if we don't do that should at least explain (for example, via a sentence at the top of each category) what each category is supposed to contain.

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So the first question is whether the category is for (a) the plants occurring in the Arctic (there are about 1,000 species, but most of them have no articles on Knowledge (XXG) now), (b) the plants endemic to the Arctic or (b) the endemic arctic-alpine plants (and the boundary is sloppy in many

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Transillumination is indeed a useful technique for imaging many plant organs. I'd suggest getting some other grape varieties to increase your sample size. If you slice thick sections, and place them on a transparent or translucent flat background for the transillumination, you can even use dark

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the diagram should serve more the wine related articles, but still i tryed to make it as acurate as the sources allowed it. yet it would seem that there are some issues (especially arround the exact appearance of the locule and a disconnected vascular system on the skin )that are enough to make

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in which I copied and pasted useful, although not yet checked, information from other articles on Knowledge (XXG) to cover the basic botany. However, bananas are beyond me. What I know about bananas is nowhere in Knowledge (XXG), and I can't figure out the basics about banana botany. (I know

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I can and will improve some of these articles on the agricultural and economic aspects of bananas, but google searches on the botany of bananas overwhelmed me. If someone could find me a single review article, I could get the information myself, but I can't find an article that discusses the

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As Hardyplants mentions below, the little arms are probably the connectors of the cotyledons to the embryo axis, similar to petioles of a leaf. It's inaccurate to call the "little white" thing the embryo, as the cotyledons are also part of the embryo. I and others usually call it the "embryo

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Hi, I would like to point out that the diagram i made actually disecting a avocado seed, so that what goes for the proportions i am quite sure of it. it is only the names what confuses me. becouse as far as i had understood it, the clear white section with the two arms IS the embryo and that

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Volume III of the Flora of the Russian Arctic includes treatments of the following nine families: Salicaceae, Betulaceae, Urticaceae, Polygonaceae, Chenopodiaceae, Portulacaceae, Caryophyllaceae, Paeoniaceae and Ranunculaceae. The discussions are illustrated with 166 distribution maps. Once

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well enough to help very much, but I would like to offer a few words of encouragement in that these diagrams are well-drawn (artistically) and are the kind of thing which I'd love to see more of, to illustrate some of these concepts (once we can make sure they are accurate, that is).

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article is tagged all over with fact needed, but I did use it for my redirect from banana to the actual cultivar most used. I'll add a see also to the Gros Michel article, since I mention Panama disease, but this article is also practically useless. The article goes on to say that

1693:"There is a mistake on your Knowledge (XXG) website about "Seed". The seed of an avocado (Persea americana, Lauraceae) does NOT contain any endosperm. The entire seed (apart from the seed coat) consists of the storage embryo with extremely short radicle and thickened cotyledons." 2301:

states that "Grass is the common word that generally describes monocotyledonous green plants." and "Poaceae are the true grasses ... they also include plants often not recognized to be grasses, such as bamboos or some species of weeds called crab grass." On top of all that

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That's a pretty general request, but I do note that a lot of good work seems to be going on at the arctic wikiproject. Hopefully you will find some interested people, but if you have more specific questions, by all means ask. One question: do you want articles like

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states that scientific names are to be used as page titles, with certain specific exceptions. Where a scientific name is followed by a cultivar epithet, the epithet is correctly expressed with the initial letter(s) capitalised and enclosed in single quotation marks.

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I think your right about the bamboo and grabegrass, but there are a number of monocots that have grass in their common name, including: Blue-eye grass, Yellow Grass, Star grass, To the average person, "grass" has been used to descried what some plant looks like.

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There are prominent axial vascular bundles in grape2ae3.jpg that extend to the stigma (this is expected). There are also peripheral bundles visible in that photo and also seen very clearly in cross section in the part of grape4yd5.jpg where the two halves are

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They're confusing grapes. Cultivated varieties often deviate from what one would expect in the wild species; for example, cultivated tomatoes usually have more than the two standard carpels. I see several things in these photographs that may be of use to

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My experience with mature avocados leads me to believe that all or almost all of the endosperm is absorbed by the cotyledons. Certainly the macroscopic storage tissue is all cotyledons. Even in the reference cited, the embryo already occupies much of the

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Thanks, Hardyplants. Una, you should know that a drive-by googling is much quicker than scholarly research, and can still frame the issue. Also, I don't see any evidence of conflation in the first two references; they are both explicitly about the

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could use some cleanup. In particular, there is some confusion about the species(es) involved, for example whether it is about particular cultivars, all jasmine grown commercially in Karnataka, or what. Other room for improvement would be

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Johnny, Daisy taxonomy is a freakin' nightmare, with only 30,000 species and rising. Many huge genera have been partly revised and some until recently were still in limbo. I am not aware of the species you mention, but giving you a heads up

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Recently I've come across mentions of certain plants or plant parts being "cartilaginous". I hope one of you guys knows enough about plant tissues to tell me whether this sense of the word "cartilage" is the same as is used in the article

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There are problems with the article which leave me confused, and I am having trouble finding better information. The article says the dessert bananas are "species Musa acuminata or the hybrid Musa × paradisiaca, a cultigen," but then the

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seed for a model based on a recent dissection. ... That said, I've looked for references or information. Most authors don't mention the embryo or seed anatomy (including FNA), and the closest I've managed to find so far is in Heywood's

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as "hard and tough, as the skin of an apple-pip". That's not unambiguous, but I would interpret the use with respect to plants are relating to the physical properties of the tissue, rather than to the composition. That's supported by

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passes for a good substitution is a digital camera with a good macro lens, you can take a picture and enlarge it on the computer screen, the main problem is that its hard to hold the camera and a dissection probe at the same time.

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I didn't mean for taking a photograph, I meant for examining the cellular structure of the tissues. A good anatomical invetigation might determine whether the tissue is strongly cellular, and thus unlikely to be endosperm.

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is not easy for me to find. Can someone add some basics about the botany of production to this article, and I will write the economics, agricultural details, and diseases around this? The help would be appreciated.

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I've been working on the aformentioned article for the past few days and I think it's more or less ready for GA. If anyone would like to review, copyedit or otherwise improve it, it would be much appreciated. Thanks!

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That my problem thus all the fudging with "might" and "likely", I do not know if the endosperm expands or is absorbed during development in avocados. I did not come across a good example of a labeled mature seed.

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The article is still waiting for a reviewer ; ) I would prefer it if someone from the project could do it as opposed to someone who is relatively unknowledgable about plants. If anyone has time it would be great.

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has been around for years and is where most subcategories were located. Then, in the wake of PolBot's additions, a decision was made to erect a set of taxon-based categories. So the duplicate, parallel category

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George usher. I can't recall ever running into the use my self, don't have to many plants with this type of tissues, but I am sure that it could be applied to many tropical and some plants from arid locations.

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has a small flower head (thus the name). I'm not an admin, so I can't delete the page, and blanking it seems to not be a good idea either. But I don't think I know enough about the plant to write an article.

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those earlier articles with a fuller description, images, more links to literature and databases, etc. I did the best I could, but I'm no expert and they were pretty rudimentary. Thanks for your good work,

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Indeed, Hardyplants is correct that avocado has hypogeous germination: the hypocotyl does not elongate, and the cotyledons do not emerge above the soil. In this way it is similar to peas and different from

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Very true, but how many people believe or confuse starfish with real fish? A cat for true grasses is very much needed, but more than once I have been asked about the "Grass with small bright blue flowers"

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I'm not so sure. The image in the book is of a young fruitlet (including the flesh surrounding the seed), rather than a fully-developed lone seed. If the endosperm expands greatly, it could be correctly

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species" on the caption for the picture...... And Melburnian now points out that there are even hybrids, so this reinforces by belief that you should not claim a species if in doubt. p.s Nice picture!

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Umm... whose classficiation system(s) are you using? And which groups of algae do you mean? Arguably, there has been more revision of algal systematics over the last 20 years than for any plant group.

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the popular view, which encompasses the "typical" Poaceae but excludes cereals, bamboo and other atypical Poaceae, and includes non-Poaceae that look like Poaceae, such as some rushes, sedges, etc; and

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I've been meaning to put together a list of plastomes for a while. I've now decided it might of well be on Knowledge (XXG) as anywhere else, so I've made a start. Anyone else is welcome to pitch in.

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has an ambiguous title. Since EncycloPetey created this template, it is certain that it was intended to circumscribe the Poaceae and only the Poaceae. Therefore I propose to move this template to

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the diagram i remove the label endosperm and point the arrow of "cotyledons" to the two halfs of the seed(the big mass)..then what are the two little arms that are labeled cotyledons right now?

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Thanks - it should be relatively easy to expand your articles, as they appear to use a pretty consistent format. I'll bear this in mind. It might be easier to leave any further discussion at

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You persist in mentioning that endosperm is not cellular, but that is not universally true. Commonly, endosperm has a free-nuclear phase, but cell walls form prior to seed maturation.--

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While I am able to provide expert input into the animal aspects of this page, it would be very useful for a botanist to provide expert input for the plant tissue section of the page.

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species. The genus article was created by Polbot from a list of rare and endangered species, so only species of conservational concern were included in the initial page creation. --

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Toward (f)ruit maturiy, the endosperm disappears and the seed coat shrivels and dies so that the pericarp and the cotyledons remain as the only active tissues in the mature fruit.

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Can not comment on the MOS thing- they do some things that I do not understand, but a cultivar should have the apostrophes, thus Ulmus New Horizon is incorrect. It should be

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and/or the wikiproject). I would think it would work better to restrict it to plants which are predominantly arctic, but perhaps you have already thought about this question.

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created. What articles have you seen in the stub category that shouldn't be there? Is this real ambiguity that's confusing people, or purely hypothetical confusion that

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The locules do indeed close as the fruit matures. I believe that the darker lines in grape4yd5.jpg that extend ± tangentially may be the collapsed remains of the locules.

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PS. I made a few templates and categories to help with the work, which you might consider? I made separate categories for each of the (major) taxonomic levels of algae:

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article mentions nothing about it being the parent species for the cultivated dessert banana, and in fact is so short as to be useless, hence confusion. There is no

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I think there is a bit of work to be done in various articles to get all this sorted out, but to return to the main issue for me, I think we can probably agree that

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My impression is that the distinction between plantains and bananas is rather like that between cooking and eating apples, and is of little botanical significance.

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Blechnic can be over to top sometimes in her comments, but that doesn't mean she's wrong. I don't have enough familiarity with grapes to know precisely how it

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everything else arround it was endosperm. but then again when the whole mass is not endosperm, then what is it? what would be the correct label in this case?-

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Actually, the stub and category matched until June of this year, when someone decided to change the description of the category, creating a category fork. --

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is extremely toxic (true). Both palm and cycad are often called "sago palm" in English, resulting in much confusion. Please help clean up this article. --

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I changed the diagram, still i will try to go to the bibliotec some time end this week and look for a couple of more sources :P thanks a lot for your help -

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I am really greatfull that you are taking so much work to answer my question :) and i also feel a bit embrased to interrupt you with yet another diagram -

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After looking at the Avocado seed diagram, it looks like it might need to be adjusted though, the part marked as endosperm is not likely to be correct.

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rather than strictly arctic. According to Takhtajan some of the endemic species (there are more than 100 in total, mostly in Chukotka and Alaska) are

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s.l. "Fruit fleshy, 2- to 5-celled, cells 1- or 2-seeded, cartilaginous", which makes the tough bit surrounding the core of an apple cartilaginous.

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Hi, can any skilled editors evaluate the newly added species (do any need to be lumped together?), and add articles for any of them? Many thanks,

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I got some dark grapes and ade some big changes in the iage, could you please have a look to see if it is ok now? . thanks for all your effort -

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fall under the juristiction of plants, any feedback on the stub articles would be very welcome. Stubs will appear over the next couple of days

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Please see and comment. There is yet another proposal afloat to merge a species article with the article about the fruit from that species. --

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appears to be a copyvio (by a one shot IP user) - paragraphs have been taken unchanged from the reference. Anyone care to do a rewrite?

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is it posible that my grapes have not 2 but three locules? . anyway later on i desided to make thiner cuts to see a bit ore of detail

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which would encompass all species and conservation efforts within Britain, an extremely interesting area. The project would include

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reference: it appears to be showing a collapsed locule as a thin line, the same locule that is more open in the less mature grape

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I might be able to help, but I am not very active on Knowledge (XXG) and don't have most of the necessary books handy right now.

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and related areas. What we really want to do is identify the truly Arctic species and where the borderline areas are. Thanks.

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The parts marked with red arrows in gape3gs0.jpg seem to correspond to the darkish lines around the center in grape4yd5.jpg.

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article for some reason, hence more confusion, it should be important, but maybe the name is different for cultivars? The

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cases). Another issue is how to make sure that all editors will use the categorization system correctly and consistently.

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I have germinated the seeds. The large half-ovoids remain attached to the embryo axis, and shrivel as cotyledons would.--

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as polyphyletic, so there's a good chance that both generic names should be recognised, but that doesn't help with your

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seeds were used by several native American groups both as a fish poison and as a food, the latter after leaching, and

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She would like a knowledgeable editor to confirm (or deny) this so she can change the diagram accordingly (or not).--

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Only my own confusion. Okay, I'll assume that it is defined as Poaceae for now, and see what comes out in the wash.

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I'm writing a bot which will automatically create stubs on algal taxa, from the genus level up. While this doesn't

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Abbott R.J. & C. Brochmann. 2003. History and evolution of the arctic flora: in the footsteps of Eric Hulten.

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big opportunity to address that with some plant article expansions. Remember multiplying stubs by 5x.. :) Cheers,

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The key character separating the genera in Flora of China is "Fruit oblong-ellipsoid or ellipsoid, base rounded" (

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and anything else to do with the flora and fauna of Britain. If anyone is interested just leave your name on the

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That's great news! :) I went on an enthusiastic spree roughly a year ago, making articles for most taxa of the

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completed, the six volumes of the series will treat about 360 genera, 1650 species and 220 infraspecific taxa.

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cultivated banana, its parents, the cultivated plantain, its parents, and their relationship within the genus

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I read the article, and it looks like you (and/or other contributors) have done a lot of good work there.

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Would people here be able to help out with some work on Arctic flora? I (and others) have been working on

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a BB diploid; other bananas are AAA, AB, AAB, ABB, AAAB, AABB or ABBB (BBB is apparently not found). Try

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Polunin, Nicholas. 1940. Botany of the Canadian Eastern Arctic. Part 1: Pteridophyta and Spermatophyta.

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That same photo may very well represent a tricarpellate grape, with seeds in only two of the carpels.

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Polunin, Nicholas. 1947. Botany of the Canadian Eastern Arctic. Part 2: Thallophyta and Bryophyta.

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Hultén Eric. 1963. The distributional conditions of the flora of Beringia. In J.L. Gressitt (ed.),

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source re any cycad being a current commercial source of starch. Historically, there was one (see

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The conflation is where sago cycads are described as an important source of starch. I can find no

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for all pears (thus making the first a subcategory of the second). With a few exceptions, such as

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Polunin, Nicholas. 1948. Botany of the Canadian Eastern Arctic. Part 3: Vegetation and ecology.

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Bleh. I don't want to read papers... I just want to read wikipedia and get the scoop :-). --

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More often than you might think. I know a professor at Cal who worte a nasty letter in to

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PS: there appears to be some concern over too many US-related hooks nommed at DYK...so...

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reports the presence of collagen in fungi, so perhaps animals should read opisthokonts.

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that says that only animals have collagen (plus, nowadays, trangenic plants). However

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a cavity, so locular cavity sounds redundant. I can see how you could misinterpret

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This is headed for DYK, but honestly, I don't know where to start with this mess.

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I need your help now becouse for starters the grapes i got have no obvious cavity

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Well i brought a kilo grapes yesterday so i will spend the day disceting them :P-

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Outline of the History of Arctic and Boreal Biota during the Quarternary Period

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Came across this while looking for another floraristic treatment for the USSR.

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Thorne R.F. 1972. Major disjunctions in the geographic ranges of seed plants.

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happen but somehow hasn't in the years that the stub category has existed? --

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Just a guess, but one is hard and brittle and the other is soft and pliable.

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I discover that this is not the only questionable article. He got a DYK for

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http://www.sbmp.org.br/cbab/sisartigo/pdf/1(4)%202001/1(4)_399-436p-2001.pdf

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I need botanical intervention with this article. I started an article on

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was created. So, this is the result of history rather than confusion. --

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heard the term applied to all monocots (lilies, orchids, palms!). Also,

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Since this discussion seems to be centring on the meaning of the word

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http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200113/000020011301A0425142.php

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is also the name for the plantain, leaving me simply confused. The

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article. I didn't read the whole paper either (at least not yet).

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doesn't agree with several elements of that list (ex Wikispecies?)

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created this diagram, and someone left her the following message:

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is correct. (I'll leave it to you to read the rest of the paper.)

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Yep, that makes sense. I'm still not entirely comfortable with

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look, but it doesn't look right to me. For one thing, a locule

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stem with true leaves and the cotyledons remain below ground.

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I don't have a clue, but it was in a garden so it may not be.

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Could someone please help identify the plant in this picture:

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Can someone help with this? It would be greatly appreciated.

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My reading of this is that there are three distinct scopes:

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Knowledge (XXG):Bots/Requests_for_approval/anybot#Test_pages

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They are indeed not the same species. I'll make a stub ; )

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and species. I've just discovered that much of the text at

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is very high throughout the period that thistissue exists.

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They do have an endosperm. I will post a reference soon.

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someone to call it a "botanical disaster" (full argument

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http://www.tropicos.org/NameSynonyms.aspx?nameid=34500581

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There isn't necessarily a right snswer to the question.

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There's a relevant paper in Ann. MOBot. - available at

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and by age 15 most won't have any stem above ground. --

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Well, if I want to rationalize the two after the fact,

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But the same is true of any common name. Consider: A

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varieties, since the pigment is in the outer layers.--

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Most cultivated bananas are selections and hybrids of

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I don't see any issues, but others should weigh in.--

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seems to be for pears which are eaten by people, and

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Category:Forests and woodlands of the United Kingdom

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there one can also recognise that are like 3 lines.

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