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1799:, I found no previous discussions in the talk archives about this, but there are a few attempts to discuss assessment and notability standards, you might want to take a look. Collaboration of the month seems to have been designed to designate one article each month for improvements. If it's not been updated for years, it could simply mean no one is interested in taking care of it. You can personally take that responsibility, changing the selected article every month, improving what you can before its time is up, and hope someone else joins you. To make it more communal, you can propose which article should be selected for next month, right here on this talk page. Try to have a good set of criteria on which articles you choose. If no one responds, you could assume consensus per 678: 128:
kinds of things can we to do to help reverse this? Specifically - looking at things like "Awards," the Parsec Award is the moral equivalent of the Hugo for Spec Fic Podcasts, is listed as its own wikipedia entry but recipients are not notable because the Parsec itself is not a sufficiently noted source? How do we fix that? What other awards, publication venues, etc, are suitable to satisfy the WP:WEB which actually address these forms of expression?
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I agree that it can be difficult to come up with reliable podcast sources. For quality, I think t hat 10 sentences is a good start, but we have to figure out what to do about the sources. I also think it may be worth thinking about what sections we want podcast articles to include. This can give us a
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I was thinking of splitting the article since the section on Night Vale Presents takes up a lot of space in the article, and isn't within the scope. Also it's a bit weird to have the entire network as a subsection of one article, considering that other podcasts in the network have their own articles.
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We should also figure out how to talk about awards that podcasts are given. The Webby Awards are the main ones people know, but they're basically restricted to the podcasts that can financially afford to be nominated (and I don't even think they have a fiction section, let alone awards for different
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can you point me to the Rater script? This is the first WikiProject I've joined, so I'm still figuring everything out. I read the old discussion that attempted to standardize the importance and quality for podcasts and most of the ideas they had are now outdated, so I think we need to come up with a
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that is relevant to this wikiproject. I'm not sure about the notability criteria that podcasts usually use - I see some coverage in The AV Club and BoingBoing, and I think it's fairly well-listened to, but I'm worried about finding reliable secondary sources to avoid the accumulation of cruft in the
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Notability for specific podcasts is an ongoing issue that has never been resolved. Unfortunately, it still seems difficult to come up with hard numbers of downloads and popularity. I think it may just be a matter of submitting those that are questionable for group review. Here is a proposal, largely
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Hey all, this project was tagged as being semi-active and it looks like it's in need of some goals and active members. I've messaged those who indicated they were previously interested and hopefully we can get things cooking again. I adjusted the goals and structure of the project page. Feel free to
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There will have to be different sections depending on what kind of podcast it is though (ex. news, commentary, actual-play, fiction, etc.), which is a lot to do. In general there should be a lead paragraph, a premise, a list of hosts/actors, reception, any accolades won. Is there a need for a "list
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I've been going with what the Rater script says, which is based on article views for importance and article length/sources for quality. But yeah, we should standardize it for the project. There's an article in this project that's ranked as GA and is in desperate need of reassessment, since it's not
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There is a difficulty in establishing podcasting notability in that there are few acceptably notable secondary sources. The notability guidelines are seriously skewed toward commercial and heavily monitized podcasts while ignoring some significant efforts on the part of independant podcasters. What
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and there are instructions that explain how to add it. Instead of using a script we should definitely come up with standards for quality at least. For now I've been going off of television series articles as a model for what a podcast article should cover, but there are a lot of things that don't
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I know there was a previous discussion about rating the importance and quality of podcast articles, but it doesn't look like there was a consensus or recent decision. Anyone interested in trying to figure this out? I've been tagging a lot of articles with our project, but don't want to rate them
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I'm a fan of Lex Fridman and his podcast 'Artificial Intelligence', and I'm thinking about starting an article for him and/or his podcast. He's had on loads of notable people, and there are many articles with external links to the podcast. But I don't know if he meets the GNG or if his podcast
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There seems to be a problem getting the complete episode list onto WP. It has apparently been put up and taken down several times. Can anyone from the project clarify the process to getting this type of table into an article? does it require a separate page or should it be embedded into the
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Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Knowledge (XXG) struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia
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articles there should be a section on taxonomy, description, habitat, behavior, etc. We don't really have one of those for podcasting. At the very least for podcast articles there should be a premise section. Then there could be a section for actors/characters and awards if applicable.
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It would be best if you also said which article you propose (ie. intend to change to on 1 August) for August and briefly why, in your post below. That will give any experienced editor coming across your post to comment on your choice, even if they don't care to suggest one
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better idea of if the article includes most of the information readers need or if it needs expansion, etc. Then, if an article has all of the sections, but needs expansion, we could do C-class, if it only has one section and few sources then it would be start, etc.
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Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please
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Is it really the collaboration of the month if it's been the collaboration of the month since 2011? Should the wording at least be changed? What needs to be done on the collaboration before moving on to another collaboration of the month?
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Maybe our criteria for importance can be a mixture of coverage by "reliable" sources, awards received, viewership, and chart ratings? But then we have to figure out how to determine viewership and ratings, which I know can be difficult.
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If there are articles that link to it and there have been notable guests, I'd suggest creating a draft and submitting it through the review process. Another indicator of notability is how many secondary sources discuss the podcast.
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translate. For example the rule of thumb that start class is at least 10 sentences with 2-3 reliable sources. The problem is podcasts are still pretty niche, so it's hard to find "reliable" sources (like big name newspapers).
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I don't know too much either, but I guess making boxes (like the one for Night Vale Presents) for other podcast networks could be a start. Maybe we could mimic the formatting for television networks or broadcasting companies?
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I had suggested a while back that we change the article of the month, but it seems that there are not enough active users. I would be willing to collaborate if we do decide to change the article (which I think we should).
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Should it be based on pageviews or subscribers? Should there be a part of the article that mention its ranking on podcast charts like articles about albums do? Is that important enough to include?
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I think for now, most assessment can done based on the standard Knowledge (XXG) guidelines. I would propose the following minimum standards though for any podcast articles:
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that had its submission declined in February 2020, but it is a very poorly sourced article and seems there is room to work on and improve the draft article.
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Does this WikiProject cover anyone who's ever hosted a podcast or just ones where that is a significant career? I'm asking mainly about folks like
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page to your project. If anyone is interested and has the time I would be grateful if you could class and rate the article, many thanks.
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I'd suggest that you wait for someone else to create that article because you have a comflict of interest since you volunteer for them.
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If an article should be included in the project, notability must be discussed on the article's talk page and a consensus must be reached
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that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
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was requesting for a collaboration in your post below or who was going to update the page. It looks like just an anonymous post. -
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original article? If there is a Podcast project, isn't expanding the articles for the more important podcasts be one of the tasks?
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It was restored from CSD - I don't know if it was ever listed in WikiProject Podcasting. Now nominated for AfD, FYI. Thanks. --
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I've also noticed that the "Collaboration of the Month" article hasn't been updated in years (February 2011). It was
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That's a good idea, but I don't know if there enough active people in this project right now for it to be helpful.
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Is this topic notable or not? If so, is the episode list necessary? These issues are addressed at the talk page. --
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I agree we should come up with a format, finalize it, and then go through and standardize it across the podcasts.
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who have podcasts. Also if a radio station offers podcast options for their programs, should they be added?
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unless it's extremely obvious. Would love to have solid criteria so I can begin evaluating these articles.
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and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my
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Finally, other wikiprojects have "formats" of all the things an article should include. For example in
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Apple Podcasts is not a reliable source. If you do move forward with drafting an article, plan to use
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will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's
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genres). I was told that the Audioverse awards weren't notable, but at least they're about podcasts.
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This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:
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Since we don't have standardized formatting for podcast networks, I want to copy off of
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Cool I nominated it for GA, but I think someone from this project should review it.
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I would suggest to accept notability for podcasts nominated for
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Let's get some work going and clean up some of these pages!
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overview of the US and UK drama podcast market - Ella Watts
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Hi! I am new and could use some help with a draft page
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discuss below or start contributing by making edits.
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