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388:== Overview == == ?Examples? == A section to provide the non-technical public with examples of the distribution and its use. Would such a section be useful and possible to create? == History == == Specification of the normal distribution == === Probability density function === === Cumulative distribution function === === Generating functions === ==== Moment generating function ==== ==== Characteristic function ==== == Properties == === Moments === === Generating normal random variables === === The central limit theorem === === Infinite divisibility === === Standard deviation === ==Related distributions== === ?Generalizations of the distribution? === This section would present and link to distributions which are more general forms of the distribution presented on the page. For the exponential, this would include the Erlang and Gamma. For the Gamma this would include the several "generalized gamma". == Occurrence == === E.g. 1 === === E.g. 2 === == Estimation of parameters == === Maximum likelihood estimation of parameters === === Unbiased estimation of parameters === === Bayesian estimation of parameters === == See also == == References== == External links == 1197:
example that led me here is Zipf's law-- which does need an exact discussion, but also needs enough of a discussion that its relationship to the other bibliometric distributions can be understood. It is possible to write at such a level--I mention the papers of Stephen J Bensman in JASIST and elsewhere. These explanations could be written by two different groups of people--those like myself, who may get it wrong but know what the audience can hope to understand, o people like those on the project here. If they can write them for us to use, or write the first part of the article in a way we can use, I think it would be better than the alternative (to avoid conflict with the articles here, they'd have different names as sees to be frequently done--seee
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have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at
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consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.
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Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Knowledge struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for
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We generally have to go with what's most common in the relevant literature. If there are several equally common alternatives, I'm generally in favor of preserving the case of any conventional piece of notation that the distribution may be named for. I personally write "Gamma distribution", and "Beta
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Some knowledge of probability occurrs in many fields, and some reference to it in many articles. The articles have to explain what they are talking about in terms that are both comprehensible to the reader of that article, and also accurate within the limits of what those readers can comprehend. The
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I have followed the advice given for attemting to reactivate a project, by reducing the old content of the project page. I have also copied across some of the useful content from the Statistics project page. There was (and still is, but now on a subpage) some useful material on structuring articles
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proposal for an appreciation week to end on Knowledge Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who
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I don't have strong feelings either way when it comes to pipe vs. semicolon. I'd like to point out, though, that the pipe seems to be more widely used on Knowledge already, so it would be less work to standardize on pipes. However, since you seem to be prepared to make all those changes, I won't
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are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please
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As a nonspecialist who nonetheless uses bibliometric and other probability distributions, I suggest that "An important note is that WikiProject Probability is not concerned with writing articles for an audience who is trying to learn probability theory, except as is appropriate for encyclopedic
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is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating
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Ok, after thinking about it, I like the third choice. Its similarity to the continuous notation is a plus, and rational number subscripts in the first choice worry me even though they are countable. The second is worse because it is hard to specify a particular instance using a real number as a
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We need to make sure that we give enough background in the lead paragraphs and in the first couple of sections. I seem to recall that "Overview" sections are deprecated and that a summary and/or high-level overview should go into the lead paragraph (before the first section heading).
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Frankly, I think that argument disregards the actual intended purpose of the process, which is to serve the interest of improving Knowledge. Punishing the math community for not helping originally but forbidding it to help later is being made the purpose of the process instead.
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stop you. ;-) If you do make any changes, maybe point to this discussion in your edit summary. Since these conventions and guidelines are all very recent, people may not be aware of them, or may want to voice an opinion, plus it's a good chance to get more editors involved. --
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I tend to do the opposite: The primary separator for me is the pipe, and I use semicolons pretty much like commas, except that they suggest some sort of grouping. I think the rationale for the pipe is that everything to its left jointly sums/integrates to unity.
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At first I had no preference between the semicolon and the bar, but I have looked it up in my main two books, "Data Reduction..." by Bevington and Robinson, and "Statistical Theory" by Lindgren. Both use the semicolon, Lindgren uses f(x;a,b,c), Bevington uses
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articles. Writing content with a primarily pedagogical intent is the province of Wikibooks. However, in time WikiProject Probability may develop into a project to write a Wikibook on the subject" might be a little elitist, depending on the interpretation.
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This section includes the discussion of the specification to help authors write the entries on the distributions while maintain a maximum amount of harmony between the different distributions. The actual specification will be presented on the main page.
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The predominant argument for endorsing deletion, as nearly as I can tell, is that since Knowledge's math community irresponsibly neglected to offer its assistance in the deliberations originally, it should be punished by being forbidden to help later.
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a bit, or at least put in an example? I'm coming across it in medical studies and the article here is too mathematically dense to parse properly - it delves into limit equations without taking the time to explain what the ratio itself actually means.
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We should decide on whether to capitize the names of the distributions when we refer to them in passing. e.g Do we talk about the Gamma distribution or the gamma distribution. I have been using capitalizations because it seems like a proper name.
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the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please
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where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.
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A reader has sent an e-mail to the Wikimedia help desk raising concerns about this article and has left a message at the bottom of the discussion page explaining his reasons. I would be grateful if someone could have a look at
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That's a complex issue. I'd say what you did was perfectly fine for inline math. If you prefer TeX's Computer Modern typeface for all math formulas, you can switch on mandatory PNG rendering in your user preferences.
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distribution", but "chi-squared distribution" and "zeta distribution", because the first two involve upper-case Greek letters and the last two lower-case Greek letters. For other distributions it's pretty clear: "
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as our prototype of the continuous because it's the most complete and elegant page currently and possibly the most important distribution overall certainly it has the most text both here and on mathworld.
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At this point, I just think some standard notation should be used. For the most part, any choice in notation is arbitrary. If it jives with book A & B but not C & D, then so be it...
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By my quick count, 17 "keep", 25 "delete" so far, plus various gradations such as "trim" or "merge" or "trim and merge", etc. Anyone with an opinion should speak up now before this closes.
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We had a discussion on this, but I can't remember the page. (MarkSweep, do you remember the page?) I've tried to summarize the results in the section on inline math.
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This is exactly the same as the conventions currently used for continuous distributions, and it has the advantage that several parameters are easily accommodated.
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I think that the talk page is for carrying on a discussion and the project page is for laying out an editable list of specifications - MarkSweep, is that right?
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There are plenty of precedents for writing function parameters as subscripts, but the disadvantage is that this may become hard to read with several parameters.
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This section should be a working space for hashing out ideas on the layout and the specification on the previous page can be used when we have concensus.
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on probability distribution articles. Would this be better elsewhere? I hope others will join in this effort to improve the Probability project.
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The long process continues. Now it is necessary for everyone who has an opinion on whether the article should be kept, to post their views at
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As I see it, there are basically three choices of notation for discrete probability mass functions. Consider a one-parameter family like the
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was deleted in an irregular way when this WikiProject had not been notified of the proposal for deletion. Please express opinions here:
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It doesn't matter much to me: We can have a discussion about the specification first, and then move it to the project page later. --
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I also prefer the third option with a caveat. I use pipe's to denote conditionals and semi-colons to denote parameters. So
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You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that
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A question: how do we add inline math so it's elegant? I've tried adding it with 'math' tags but it looks goofy: e.g.
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and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my
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I disagree. I'll be back to argue the point later. I think this sort of thing should fit in with
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The problem with options 1 and 2 is that they are easy to confuse. Option 3 is unambiguous. --
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easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested,
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because it's entirely possible to have a conditional with parameters (such as
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apparently not, for my request for assistance (above) was not replied to.
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Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of
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Things seem kind of quiet around here, is anybody active? --
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The article is fine, the reader is confused. I answered in
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The discussion is continuing, and it's been moved to
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will be adopted by the probability project. Thanks,
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Gamma distribution
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Acuster
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