Knowledge talk:WikiProject Terrorism/Archive 2

4271:(od) I cam here as requested from the MILHIST wikiproject. Firstly, I'd like to ask again that certain users stop making personal attacks, as they are unwarranted and simply poison the atmosphere. As to the question of the infoboxes, it is a difficult question. However, Rockpocket does make some good points above; many of the areas that would be filled in in the infobox of a soldier belonging to a recognized state military (rank, unit, and especially years of service) would seem to be extremely difficult to know, even more to source reliably. But I do think some kind of infobox would be required, if only to standardise things. I'd recommend creating some kind of 'Militant' infobox with more suitable fields. Name and age, of course, but also fields like 'Affiliated group' and whatever else might be needed - my knowledge of paramilitary and militant groups is rather limited in that area. 4301:

state party (which is problematic in the specific case queried), branch is used to indicate the force they belonged to, similarly, if there has been consensus that volunteer is a description not a rank, then there is perhaps an issue there too. I have used this box in the past for non-military personnel, such as firemen and air raid wardens awarded the Geroge Cross during WWII in lieu of any better box. On th issue of citations, it's not usually required to cite in the infobox itself, but it should be possible to find the info cited in the article text. On balance, there's probably scope for sufficient usage to create a more focussed infobox for paramilitary groups that are not foramlly state-sponosored (as opposed to things like gendarmeries which might be considered as eitehr military, or law enforcement, depending on situation).

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use as a terrorist's tool, even if that means removing information. Currently, the article goes deeply into specifics about which terrorism suspect is alleged to have ised one of these watches as a time bomb. Because I doubt very much that most people going to that article are interested to know that Osama bin Laden's great-grand-nephew three times removed blew up an abandoned gas station with a Casio F91W when they were not looking for anything that has to do with terrorism to begin with, I suggest cleaning up the article and reducing the mention of terrorism to a short summary, and the detail should go into an entirely devoted article.

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Rockpocket points out, when the infobox is used in such instances it is vital that the fields chosen are very carefully thought out to ensure a) NPOV and b) referencing are up to scratch. It is important that the irregular nature of that person's activities is made as clear as possible - after all the sole point of an infobox is to provide a rough outline of a person for a quick reader. Therefore it should not be used as an attempt to legitimise or denigrate the person, but simply to provide basic facts.

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blast, tryign to blame the authorities for casualties for not responding to a warnign that is in some way deficient or untrustworthy or bringing bomb dispopsal staff into a position of danger. Am I writing in believing that a claim as to the intent of a warning needs to be specifically cited and to a neutral source? An attempt has been made to source to a book by Menachem Begin, the mastermind behind the bombing, when I think a neutral source who has evaluated Begin's claim is needed.--

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references in the infobox itself, especially if they are not referenced in the article (as here). In my opinion, rank should be avoided entirely in these cases unless there is a clear term in use and a reference for it. In this particular case, as it has already been established at a previous discussion that "Volunteer" is not considered a rank in this context on Knowledge, it should not be used in this infobox.--

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American Presidents wouldn't need to have GWB or Barack Obama as its image, it could have Hoover, Lincoln or Adams. That's the beauty of encyclopaedias, reminding people that history existed before they were born. A bomb exploding is not undeniably terrorism, lots of armies plant bombs for example, and unless you want a cartoon-y image - then it's going to be very difficult to decipher at that size.

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forces of a developed nation against an irregular force". I think you'll find that the British military has always been of the opinion that the IRA were a terrorist organisation (indeed the second link you provided uses the word repeatedly in reference to the IRA), even if it was one they fought in the "one of the most important campaigns ever fought by the British Army"

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when does what he say represents Al Qaeda? Third you need sources that explicitly state that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for AA 587. It has to be obvious and explicit. Right now your argument sounds like Original research (based on Jabarah's perceived credibility and assuming that whatever he says = that represents Al Qaeda) and that is not allowed on Knowledge.

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collectively asked the same admin to block me. If you look at the article, many were vehemently opposed to the articles existence, while a few admins voted to keep it. The same people who wanted it deleted then almost altered the whole article (watered down) - into something that didnt even resemble any reality to sikh extremism. I am currently going through

1500:(1969 to about 1976) a group for which there are many sources identifying it as "terrorist". There is an objection that it is a BLP violation, an NPOV violation and even a WP:TERRORIST violation to state that she headed up a group that many have called terrorist. Editors with some experience in this area would be very welcome at that discussion, 2600:

referenced, verifiable coverage of topics, with no regard to how those articles affects public policy? Having said that, I strongly suspect that neutral, balanced, referenced, verifiable coverage of the counter-terrorism link is more likely to lead to the introduction of some sanity checking into the activity of counter-terrorism officials.

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about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.

3641:. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are 3706:. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! 4182:. That article makes it perfectly clear the term does not have any definite meaning and in this context can be verified to mean little more than "member" - which isn't a rank. This is also at odds with a past consensus that the term should only be used as a descriptor ("volunteer") rather than a title ("Volunteer"). 3333:. There are a lot of articles on Knowledge related to ethnic and religious strife on Knowledge and many of the contributors to these articles are supporters of one side or the other. In such areas the definition of who is terrorist can be subjective and this can result in the same editors wanting, say, to describe 1659:. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Knowledge 1.0 Editorial team, 4600:

I can't see anything on the link you provided that suggests the British military recognised the IRA as a "recognised military organisation" - certainly those specific words do not appear anywhere on the link and in the very same paragraph that you quoted to me, Mike Jackson uses the phrase "the armed

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Does that comment actually help at all? To the point, given Kirill thinks it's simpler to maintain a single infobox, and maybe add a few additional params, I'm happy to shift my stance. On this issue, perhaps add a field called "role". In this context it could be used to hold "volunteer", adn also

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Coming here via miltary history as the others above. Although I can understand the distaste some have with giving a "military" infobox to any "paramilitary/terrorist", I too agree that providing optional fields in the military person infobox is probably the best way to address this issue. However, as

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I don't have a "loyalist agenda pushing crusade", so it is not possible that this is the "latest" in it. It is a logical fallacy to argue that because one opposes the pushing of an Irish-republican POV that one must therefore be pushing a "loyalist" POV. On the contrary, the objection to the military

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Should this article really be under WikiProject Terrorism? Sure this was a hijacking, but not terrorism by popular definition (and a hijacking does not automatically equate to terrorism). Terrorism is an act of extreme violence utilized for political gain. According to the page, these two individuals

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Hi Peter, thank you for your response, my concern is that while there will always be disagreements between pro-terrorists and anti-terrorists, mediation may well be a good problem solver, the terrorist, or lets say, the pro-terrorist won't always care to consult his 'adversaries' and you are correct;

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We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable

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If I were the CEO of Casio and I saw the article in its current state, I'd have a rather strong libel case against the Wikimedia Foundation. The article as it currently stands gives the impression that this particular watch model was made by Casio specifically to suit Al-Qaida operations. Am I going

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It is easy to make mistakes with Arabic names, and mistakenly conflate two individuals who are simply namesakes. Or, we could be correct, and two similar names really do specify a single individual. But, if we are just making an educated guess who knew something about the individual would be correct

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from the list of terrorist organizations. While individual members have commited terrorist activities, the "movement" itself is not engaged in any such activity in the same way that, for example, Al-Qaida is. They are both religious organizations, however, the Creativity Movement is not a terrorist

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and noticed it was done on 11 other pages. In my neck of the woods, NIMBY is an acronym for "Not In My Back Yard", so I don't understand the comment and was thinking of reverting the edit but decided to check here first as this comment suggests that the user is fulfilling the wishes of this project.

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But that doesn't mean "Al Qaeda claimed responsibility" - first the statement is about the group saying it is responsible; does Jabarah "represent" the group? Can he be considered a part of it? Second you need sources stating that Jabarah is unanimously reliable. Who considers Jabarah reliable? Since

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Nowhere have I written that the template "shouldn't include any image at all, since there is no "one" type of terrorism". However, if a suitable one cannot be provided, the current one should be removed until an appropriate one can be found. The image should represent the act of terrorism, and should

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says in the lead that "An army (from Latin Armata "act of arming" via Old French armée), in the broadest sense, is the land-based armed forces of a nation" and "By definition, irregular military is understood in contrast to regular armies which grew slowly from personal bodyguards or elite militia."

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rather than creating an entirely new infobox (which would nevertheless have considerable overlap with the existing one); the fields are almost all optional, so there's no problem with individual articles using only the subset that's best suited for their subject. The only thing that's really needed

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Well you have shown your anti-Irish republican POV on many page so I will ignore much of the rhetoric that you have used. The use of that infobox is widespread across all incarnations of the IRA from its inception, to those involved in the War of Independence, the Civil War right up to modern times.

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This article, about a popular watch model, currently emphasizes the fact that it is popular with terrorists, even above the fact it is even more popular with the general public. I have made my point, on its talk page, that no more than 25% of the total length of that article should be devoted to its

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I think casting out components of individual's names, and picking a shorter name, that is not backed up by an RS is more of a mistake. Are the shorter names less alien looking to first time readers? Maybe. But our readers aren't usually children. That famous old Greek, tasked to tutor the King's

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Is this required for NPOV? Currently Zionist terrorism redirects to Zionist Political violence. Given that all parties concerned, including the world zionist council, the Government, and the terrorist groups themselves, described the actions as terrorism, I can't understand how it is neutral to call

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Other than Zubaydah and KSM, Jabarah has been one of the most consistently "honest" prisoners to give up information on AQ -- he did not claim he shoebombed the flight, he stated that AQ high command, including KSM, believed that 587 was their work, and later, AQ did indeed claim responsibility in a

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It would be interesting to have some further input there; an editor feels it important that we refer to bin Laden as an "Islamist terrorist" in the lead, in place of more NPOV language. As I understand it, WP:TERRORIST prefers not to use this sort of language but perhaps there is a productive debate

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broke his nose in the fight, and then took advantage of Canadian taxpayers, using their free healthcare system to heal himself" or anything ridiculous like that - in my mind, this is the same argument. Am I right to keep this user from adding his POV statements to the article, or not? (NOte that the

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represents "too much seeding" of the article (The article already discusses his father's role), in my opinion it doesn't need to say "the terrorist father" every chance it gets, that would be like inserting "the Neoconversative warhawk Dick Cheney" into every mention of Cheney in Bush's article. The

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There's a link to capitalist terrorism, but it only goes to operation condor, which is clearly not the same thing. Even if it were to be classed as an example of capitalist terrorism, it isn't the apropreot page for such a link. Presumably, if Capitalist Terrorism doesn't exist to the extent that it

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These all seem very reasonable guidelines, aptly summarized by Moortwin. I don't see them being particularly contentious, since it basically comes down to reliable sourcing, which we all appear to agree on. A "role" field (which could be used for "volunteer" or any other sourced description such as

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A much easier, and less subjective, way of dealing with it is sorting out which fields contains verified, or verifiable, information. It doesn't really matter what the infobox is called, what matters is whether the info for each field can be verified. Its not clear to me that is currently the case.

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There's nothing necessarily that indicates to a reader that this is especially a "military infobox" when it's displayed on the page (depending on how the parameters are filled out), so it hsouldn't necessarily be seen as pushing a POV to use this infobox. However, allegiance is normally used for a

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I've gone ahead and removed the project banner from its talkpage since a quick perusal of the article does not define the group as terrorist in nature, but rather White Supremacist; which often engages in acts of violence, but I'm not sure if consensus among this group would be to include something

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one really managed to come up with a reasonably well-defined line of separation to justify that the attack on the Munich Olympics is on the side of the "bad guys" and the invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan and Gaza on the side of "good guys", by saying that the first is terrosism and the second is not.

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be labelled terrorism following thorough discussion by article-editors on an article's talk_page, but we shouldn't be tagging random assassination articles as "terrorism". The purpose of terrorism is to paralyze (or provoke) the targeted population through fear of the violence incurred. The purpose

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Thank you for responding so swiftly. Yes, a cartoon-y image is a good idea (doing away with a drawing altogether would be another, more drastic, option). It will be neutral then. As it is, despite the (forgive me, but somewhat trite) "not a newspaper" and "beauty of encyclopaedias" arguments, it is

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of using it; to show that we are adopting a historical approach to Terrorism, not just focusing on the current War on Terror. It also avoids the problems of "Is the Taliban terrorist? Al-Qaeda? LIFG?" -- it uses a defunct group that largely defined Terrorism, before disappearing. I don't understand

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while their opponents may hold the reverse stance. The policy in Knowledge is to indicate who describes a group as terrorist. For example, in the case of Hezbollah, we note that four Western states have formally done so with two others designating part of the organisation and that some others have

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This is a serious question, you may have noticed that Knowledge cannot stop an editor, no matter how aligned to terrorist activity, from editing articles, while usually insisting that most of the media is against their cause every time you try to document and reference terrorist events either from

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Just a note, since a spat seems to have arisen over the logo to use on our banner. Currently it is; I feel the RAF logo works because it represents the most clearly-defined, non-controversial terrorist group in modern history. Using something like Hamas, Hezbollah or the Tamil Tigers is likely to

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Taken together, then, I'm wondering whether that particular infobox is uniquely suited for the recorded careers of military personnel, and whether we would be better off creating a specialist box for paramilitaries. I welcome discussion, but please leave the tired, asinine accusations out. I have

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It's a strange question, imagine replacing "Terrorist" with "Criminal" - I hold the belief "Criminals are made, not born" (as evidenced on userpage), does that make me an "apologist"? What if we replaced it with "Christians or Christian apologists"? As long as they are adding legitimately-sourced

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I did a survey of the watches that had individual articles after this article got some challenges about two years ago. There weren't many. No mundane watches had articles. Each watch that had an article about it had something special about it. And those articles did not talk about the mundane

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That may have been an error on my part, I was looking through a list of articles tagged with WP Terrorism and removing (largely) ones related to legitimate military conflict in Iraq and such - and making sure they were tagged with Wikiprojects MilHistory and Iraq; I think I probably just read the

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had a well-known logo, it would also be appropriate, because again it was a non-religious-and-thus-less-controversial group that considered itself terrorist. The fact Islamic terrorism is "most prevalent today" has no bearing on history - we are an encyclopaedia, not a newspaper. A Wikiproject on

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Could I ask for some input on this emerging problem, concerning the use of the term "killed on active service" in a few IRA articles. There are two viewpoints. One, that this is a term "used by PIRA and supporters/apologists to legitimise their actions as being on a par with military actions" to

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try to cover up known terrorist activities, by manipulating information using poor biased sources, giving endless warnings even threats, while propagating their cause(s) but should Knowledge should have a panel to look into the habits of those editors who manipulate Knowledge rules to suit their

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Hello all, I was wondering if anybody sees a need to create a subcategory 'Leaders of designated terrorist groups' to the Terrorist category. I think there should be some differentiation between those who call on others to commit terrorist acts and those who commit such acts. An example would be

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I tend to think that mentioning the father so early in the lead is inappropriate. This is a biography of the subject, not a genealogy. While his connections to his father clearly are important, I don't think that there's any real cause to have it mentioned even before mentioning what the subject

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about the warnings prior to the explosion. Today we've entered a new phase where an edit was made implying that the intent of warnings was to trigger an evacuation (implicitly to safety). My understanding is that often the warnings can be for other purposes including exposing more people to the

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Would you be arrested by US border guards for wearing this watch? Highly unlikely. If you fell under suspicion at the US border for some other reason, and you were wearing a Casio watch, could you find your ownership of the watch being advanced as an additional justification to consider you a

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It's the deadliest single act of terrorism in Northern Ireland history, but does it merit being rating 'High' in importance for his Project? Also, it's currently at 'start' quality while Wikiproject Ireland has it at 'B-Class' so this should be fixed. If possible, I think that a registered user

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Why? It is perfectly sufficient, for the point at hand, to demonstrate that it is considered by neutral sources to be a paramilitary organization. It doesn't matter what the name of the box is, what matters is the verifiability of the content. You say there are a number of books that "give the

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are, again, difficult if not impossible to verify for paramilitary groups. In this case we have an unsourced assertion he joined the "Sligo Brigade" (which is linked to the city only). The text itself says he was part of "a Ballyshannon-based active service unit". So which is it, and are these

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I don't have a "loyalist agenda", therefore any behaviour cannot be typical of it. It does not follow that because one objects to articles being written with an Irish republican POV that one must be a loyalist. I would equally object to an article written from a loyalist POV, and this subject,

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Please remove that logo. Besides, it is not neutral at all: it is "Western" as opposed to Islamic terrorism which is the form of terrorism most prevalent today. The purpose of that logo seems to be to cover up that fact intentionally, as if making the point that "the West has had its share of

4826:(If his rank is Staff Captain, what is Volunteer?). All of these statements contrast with the assertion it is a specific rank (though there appears other situations where it is used to be the equivalent of "Private"). How do we know when it is being used in a general sense vs. specific sense? 3950:

I have not shown any "anti-Irish republican POV on many page " - my only concern has been to remove POV, whether that be Irish republican POV or any other. This is why we have clashed before: because of your insistence on seeking to further Irish republican POV. Recognition of PIRA and other

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name-variation-1 and name-variation-2 specify the same individual, then there is no problem with conflating the names. Or, if we have two RS, one which says name-variation-1 did X, and the other says name-variation-2 did X, it is safe to conflate those two names -- depending on what X is.

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As with this article, alliegence should avoid suggesting any national government and simply give the name of the paramilitary organisation instead. Years of service, Branch of Service and anything else related to their paramilitary activity are easily open to contention and so must be given

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If you are arguing this material should be suppressed from the wikipedia to reduce the risk of innocent watch owners falling under the suspicion of US border guards and counter-terrorism officials, I have two responses. First, shouldn't our articles be written to present neutral, balanced,

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are. As you can see from one editor above I face constant rhetoric, bias, vandalism, and being blocked temporarily by the occasional admin who fall for the view of the pro-terrorist simply because of lack of knowledge and and a feeling that I'm wrong simply because to many extremists have

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same user has also changed dates in the article to incorrect dates and insists on using POV-laden language that suggests the family "took advantage of Canada, whose virtues include free health care", isn't it enough to say that they used the Canadian medical system? We wouldn't refer to "

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etc) would be a good addition. Would someone more familiar with template formatting be willing to add it? Regarding the name of the conflict, that was something that I didn't consider to be problematic. Could you explain why, and what you would consider a reasonable alternative, Domer?

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As you can see, I do not wish to hide or remove these facts or divert sections to other articles as has been done by Sinneed in an effort to water down the article, (for reasons he knows to himself) but if that is your agenda along with Sinneed, I am aware that you were both demanding

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Personally, I've argued for quite a while that we shouldn't use any images from the "War on Terror", since the project should be avoiding focusing too narrowly on current events and failing to bring attention to the "history" of modern terrorism, so I strongly favour the RAF image.

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would be appreciated. The debate here is not about whether the existence of non-mainstream "conspiracy" theories should be mentioned at all, but rather about whether they should be put in context. By "context," I mean the fact that "conspiracy" approaches have been both rejected

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Can someone please explain to me how words like terrorist/terrorism/perpetrator are NPOV? One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. In the infobox specifically, wouldn't a phrase like 'Groups or individuals involved' be more appropriate than perpetrator(s)?

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paramilitary/terrorist groupings (RIRA, CIRA, etc.) as "military men" is pure Irish republican POV. These organisations are recognised as terrorists by the Irish government and the UK government and internationally. The status or recognition of previous IRAs is irrelevant.

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I have asked for further objections before adding a "role" field (since it is a high visibility template). Once that is resolved, I will go ahead and edit the template according to this discussion. In the meantime, I will query the verifiability of the rest of the fields.

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on the Volunteers up till 1923. There are a number of books which give the various ranks of IRA members so to suggest that they are not a military organisation, and not provide one source to suggest otherwise is bordering on the ridiculous not to mention going against

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various ranks of IRA members". If you could quote those for us, particularly demonstrating that "Volunteer" is considered the rank of MacManus in the context it is used for a military organization, that would be most helpful. The reason I query this is because the

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It seems like your project keeps a fairly tight focus, and I'm not sure this article would be covered under it, but if you could give any feedback on it it'd be appreciated - especially about the mystery of "Omar Awad bin Laden" who flew out of the U.S. on 9/19/1.

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son in Mathematics, told the recalcitrant prince, "there is no Royal Road to Mathematics". If these names really are innately confusing to readers I would prefer those readers just being expected to overcome that initial confusion, without this kind of help.

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The consensus here appears to recognise the distinction between lawful/legitimate state armies and self-appointed paramilitary groups. That the PIRA is an "army" in the conventional sense is Irish-republican POV. Neither of your links demonstrates otherwise.

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Because it is not a "recognised state army" does not preclude its members from being military men. Infact members of the IRA have pretty much always because leaders of the government - thereby proving its legitimacy. To state otherwise would simply be POV.--

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I think it will be fair to creat an Anarchism terrorism article. Anarchists made a lot of terrorism in the past, in France, Spaine, and Italy, especially at the end of the XIX century and the beginning of the XX. An easy research can give you everything ;)

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It seems clear that we have a consensus here, with all NPOV editors appearing to assent to the summarised guidelines. Unfortunately, however, Irish-republican POV editors are insisting on including "volunteer" as a rank and "Troubles" as a "battle" in the

601:, the image was chosen because it is seemingly Public Domain (we can't use copyrighted images), and refers to a "past" terrorist group rather than a current one (since we don't want to tread on Neutrality issues by using Hamas or something as our symbol). 2385:

If multiple RS refer to an individual under different names, my preference is to have the least ambiguous be the base name. That is generally the longest name. Redirection makes it transparent for readers to find the article through the shorter names.

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Who should decide whether these names specify the same individual anyhow? If we don't have an RS to back up a name conflation, I think we should leave it to our readers to decide for themselves whether two different names identify a single individual.

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aspects of those watches. They talked about the things that made those watches unique. You may not like it, but the most unique thing about the Casio F91W is that ownership of one is considered an indicator that you might be a terrorist bomb-maker.

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I've watchlisted it, but I'm not sure it's any better than directing the parties here to discuss it - why have two "discussionboards for people interested in discussing/solving terrorism-related quandries on WP"? Perhaps I'm just missing something.

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A little over a month later, and this is still open if anyone is interested in taking a look at the article. The article needs two supports to attain A-class status. I would appreciate any assistance in reviewing the article. --Happy editing!

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not be the logo of one specific group with one specific ideology. Using that logo violates Knowledge's standards for neutrality. The template is about terrorism in general, not about one specific far-left organization. After I replaced the

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Whether editors like it or not, the Irish Republican Army is an army. It has a military command structure, and it soldiers are governed according to those structures. It is also a recognised military organisation according to the

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which can be used in the event of disagreement. If the preponderance of evidence in reliabel sources is that certain groups carried out certain events and others keep on removing that evidence, then you may have to seek help.

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as “one of the most important campaigns ever fought by the British Army…” I agree with editors above however, if its not referenced it should not go in. The only problem I have is the name for the conlict i.e. "the troubles."

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I haven't seen any media outlets or governments reporting the Yemeni uprising as part of the War on Terrorism, and few sources seem to suggest it represents "Terrorism" - so that's my opinion, but there are of course others.

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This quite clearly indicates that the IRA was not, by the conventional description, an army. In any case it is irrelevant as it has been established that it doesn't matter for the infobox whether the IRA was an army or not.

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things like "Commander of PIRA's Derry Brigade" or similar, and it could actually be useful in the wider milhist context too, eg for RAF personnel to indicate if someone was an air gunner, fighter pilot, bomber pilot etc..

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The aforementioned groups have created a substantive degree of terrorism, as well as partaking (especially the CIA) in subsidizing and funding terrorist organizations. Shouldn't they be listed somewhere on this page?

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first line of "Camp Ashraf" being a military base in Iraq, and assumed it was related - and thus better served outside our project. But if it's the PMOI's base, a stronger case can be made, so feel free to re-add it!

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I would tend to agree with you, hijackings were often used traditionally by "Defectors" to take them to a "safe" country; I don't think that meets any of the criteria of terrorism; it's a slippery slope from that to

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The project doesn't really have "official positions", just common sense. So Common Sense says that al-Qaeda and Hamas are "considered to be terrorist groups", while the FBI "is not". However, as I said, for the

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Now all you have to sort out is who are militants, who are armies, who are terrorists etc. I know that a lot of us have significantly different ideas about this. Seems like a lot of POV here to be honest.--

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militants; because I don't think we want the edit-wars of people going "No, Ahmed Shah gets the military bio infobox, not the militant bio infobox!" when they'd contain essentially identical information.

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terrorist threat? I dunno. The record shows that, as late as 2007 ownership of a Casio watch was still being used as a justification for holding Guantanamo captives. So, yes, it is a possibility.

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is where a lot of conflicts eventually reach, but you do need to prepare a case to show how policies are being broken or people are just going to see it as a content dispute. I hope this helps.--

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Is the guy on the most wanted list also the Guantanamo captive? At this point we don't really know. It seems likely. I think it would be easier to decide if we had stuck with the longer name.

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Like the above there's another political grouping that just go active (albeit china denies its role). Shouldn't we have this on wikipedia as well? (I just added the terrorism project banner here

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upset ethnic groups that view them as "freedom fighters" and such - but history is pretty much unanimous that the RAF were "terrorists", and they have an instantly-recognisable image as well.

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That said, I think you are overhyping this "post-9/11 world" thing...more people have died of bee stings and lightning in the last 50 years than terrorist attacks, and that includes 9/11.

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I think i did this all right, i added the 1993 WTC bombing to list of past terrorist attacks and added the project template to that article's talk page. Let me know if that is incorrect.

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Quote: Infact members of the IRA have pretty much always because leaders of the government - thereby proving its legitimacy.....Beacause leaders of the Government have done what? Over.

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I'm content to agree with that in the interests of finding consensus, and it looks like the above suggestion by Jackyd101 accurately summarises the conclusion of the discussion, viz.

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I wanted to let you know I've set up an RFC to get some outside discussion going regarding this guideline. This project seemed a natural place to find people who might be interested.

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are pretty strong there. As recently as this year they were labeled the greatest internal security threat to india. (ironically ahead of kashmiri seperatists, but im not in the govt)

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Was that addressed to me Domer48? And if so, in what "way" am I "off"? To David, I think that is a good idea, and certainly does have wider applications beyond this specific issue.--

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I'm not pushing POV. On the contrary, I'm seeking to avoid it. As noted above, opposing POV in an article does not mean one is pushing an alternative POV. That is a logical fallacy.

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section, which states that "If a viewpoint is held by a significant minority, then it should be easy to name prominent adherents" and therefore, as far as I can tell, encourages the

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I saw all sorts of religious terrorism. But what about communist/marxist/maoist terrorist? We ought to have a listed category for that too. As a South Asia specialist, I can say the

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to these discussions, possibly adding them directly to the above subpage. I left a note to the creators of the page and one of the templates. -- User:Docu 13:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

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I think if the X "was held in Guantanamo" -- that is not enough -- not at least for the Afghans, Saudis, Yemenis and Pakistanis. I think these names are too likely to be confused.

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We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at

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there should be no suggestion of national government/nationality/country, but instead the "allegiance" field should be used to denote the organisation to whom the subject belonged;

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has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

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Military organizations represent States, the PIRA is a paramilitary organization. Would you like some sources for this? Because there are literally thousands, as well you know.

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them "mainstream," but not so far as to voice its own support of them) are all notable enough to mention. My position is that this balance is fully in accord with the spirit of

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WRT to your impression that the watch was made by casio specifically to suit al Qaeda operations... I suspect you are exaggerating to try to make a point. When we comply with

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considered doing so. In the case of Sikh extremism, the Indian government could well have designated such groups as terrorist and they may appear on lists made by the US or UK.

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Funny how you turned up here isnt it! All of the above just highlights your limited knowledge with regards the subject and what has any of that got to do with the info box?--

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Note: For those who do not share my position (although the spirit of it also applies to those who do), I've made what I feel to be a basic--yet an important--suggestion in

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I have just checked the entry for RAF uses. there is no mention there of any terrorist organization with those initials. I did find one minor military organization in the

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I notice you are editing articles to do with Sikh extremism, which is a topic I know little about beyond the shooting of Indira Gandhi and that Sikh terrorists appear in

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Media press sources or research, this DOES have a negative effect on the quality on such a very important area that is of importance in a post 9/11 world to many of us

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The above sub-page makes reference to various discussions about a series of templates. As I can't find anything on this page, I'd be glad if you could provide me with

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I propose leaving the article protected, as it seems to have been vandalbait, with just the redirect to the SATP, which has been recently improved by another editor.

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of assassination is almost exclusively to create a better environment for the group that killed the person. Whether it's the President of Uganda, Pakistan or

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to their alert page. Your alert page should be located at "Knowledge:PROJECT-OR-TASKFORCE-HOMEPAGE/Article alerts". Questions and feedback should be left at

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I don't. On the contrary, my interest is to avoid POV in line with policy. And your opinion of why I am on Knowledge is irrelevant. Please do not engage in

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and sent me to this page. This is not something I feel strongly about, but there are red links for the Institute, and this seems a good place to point it.

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is hardly gaming the system irrespective of how desperate or protective you may feel (That the events do not matter) after the recent terrorist violence in

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pages have a rather bad usability problem... You cannot search them by country. At least none of my browsers allows me to draw a flag into the search box. —

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rank should be avoided (and in the case of Ireland/Northern Ireland "volunteer" should not be used to denote a rank in a republican paramilitary grouping).

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material, do we really care whether somebody is a soldier, an irregular militant or building a time machine or nuclear bomb in their garage? You could be

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for all I know - but as long as you don't vandalise anything or try to remove valid information...why would I care if you want to go write about the

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like the Birmingham church bombing as a "terrorist" article we want to look after ourselves. If anybody disagrees, they can feel free to re-add it.

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I am posting this here as the project banner appears on the article talk page. I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the

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to help it attain GA status in the past. After cleaning up the references and adding additional sources, I am now nominating Oklahoma City bombing

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It's been six months since we had a newsletter, resulting in a decrease of activity. Anybody want to help me put together a new one for December?

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of the minority perspective, regardless of how true or false that perspective may ultimately turn out to be. Indeed, in this debate I have cited

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terrorist movements" too, which violates neutrality policies. What is the difficulty in putting just a neutral symbol?, like a bomb exploding? -

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for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed

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represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.

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I'd like to have a discussion about the pros and cons of giving articles on individuals with Arabic or Pashtun names shorter article names.

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of the group - I think we're best avoiding any "freedom fighter" controversy and going with a group that was glad to call itself terrorist.

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as she often does from Sikh extremists, they often get the death threats and her article on here has had to undergo many a transformation.

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I have been doing some work on the Guantanamo height and weight records. I'd like to invite discussion of some issues that have arisen at

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I certainly don't see any bias; coups are certainly not terrorism, and even assassinations are typically not terrorism either, but crime.

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We seem to have reached an impasse; you are welcome to participate, as it seems to be of some relevance to the topic of this project.

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and sikh extremist groups are monitored and banned by United States, British, Canadian, EU as well as the Indian Government just as

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is a collection of English Knowledge articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The

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explains the origin of these wording used by different scholars working in the field of sociology and study of nationalism...

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Spylab, on the other hand, has argued that we shouldn't include any image at all, since there is no "one" type of terrorism.

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Taking Joseph MacManus as an example, can you (or anyone) verify the information currently listed under the field headings?

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Hey, I just recently made an article on the mosque bombing in Zahedan. It's still in work, so any help will be appreciated.

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for further details and instructions in initiating a review. If you'd like to join the process, please add your name to the

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The french resistance movement against nazi included non-state actors and also included acts of violence against civilians.

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The RAF logo represents a defunct movement, that is becoming increasingly obscure. It is not fair to the more well-known

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Hello there. what kind of symbol has this group come up with? Why does it say "RAF" on your symbol? Just wanted to ask.

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might be a good place to start as that could bring in individuals who have experience in dealing with similar disputes.

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were neither violent (leading to injury or death) nor acting under a certain political dogma. They were not terrorists.

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branch of service should be avoided unless these aren verified with references (either in the article or infobox); and

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to resent to be concerned about our conflatition. They could accuse us of original research. If we have an RS that

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Should his article be added to the Terrorism project? I think article related to terrorism should also be included.

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operation or what - most Google hits seem to turn up forums and Irish borderline-conspiracy sites...but I do see it

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Why this wiki project uses communist symbols as emblem, while the most terrorists were islamists, not communists?--

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Joe McCann, killed in 1972 was referred to in commemorations by his rank "Staff Captain" but also as a "Volunteer"

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military infobox = military organisations. Provide a source that says the IRA is not a military organisation. --

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I'm not making any criticisms of any political wing, left or right, BUT many people of certain religious faiths

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The above article has this project's banner on its talk page. I have conducted a reassessment as part of the

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IRA memorials refer to the dead only as "Volunteer", "Vol." or "Óglach" rather than giving a specific rank.

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This is just the latest in Mooretwin's loyalist agenda pushing crusade. Sad really, but what can you do? --

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and in the past discovered that the citations usually ISBN refs have absolutely no bearing on their edits.

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Every editor here, excepting the Irish republicans, who come with an Irish republican POV, recognises it.

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article), you reverted that only based on your personal opinion, not any consensus or Knowledge rules.

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could use some constructive criticism, as I'm aiming to make it a Featured Article within a month :)

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and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a

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Central America is littered with exampels of capitalist terrorism - the CIA became experts at it.

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when the article was created, this is still reflected in your edits/deletions/removing sections.

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Why not mention the terrorist Prescott Bush? Or does this Wiki have an biased agenda behind it?

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is difficult if not impossible to verify. Armies maintain records, paramilitary groups do not.

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I'll try and get something together in the next few days. Ill get in touch with at the time.

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behaviour is typical of Mooretwin with his loyalist agenda. Agree with Vintagekits above.

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any in starting this conversation, he has opened a topic for discussion. Let us discuss

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with the comment: "On behalf of Wikiproject Terrorism...NIMBY". I looked at the users

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in the near future. In the mean time, according to the External Linkfinder, there are

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and have found one minor concern which needs addressing. You can find the review at

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warrants a page, it probably shouldn't be on the template. Could someone remove?

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There is no reason to doesn't count it like a part of the War against terrorism.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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You do have a blatant Loyalist POV and imo are only on wikipedia to disrupt.--

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the "zionist" dimension in the causes of Jewish terrorism should be emphasized

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which may also fall under this WP - will leave it to members to decide this.

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fundamentalist beliefs to manipulate wikipedia? Such editors with extremist

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There is no evidence that Sheik Osama has done any of these things at all.

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so-called "service units" sufficiently defined to be listed in a info box?

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is there one that exists in this regard? Certain articles are quite poor (

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to centralize discussions on this topic which cross multiple articles. --

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Knowledge:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 April 27#Category:Terrorists

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has shut down. It looks like much of the information will be replicated

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to get arrested at US Customs just because I wear a F91W on my wrist? --

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List of people convicted under Anti-Terrorism Act in the United Kingdom

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Please therefore explain in what way my summary was "way off there".--

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section provides sources showing the ambiguity of the term. We have "

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The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of

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user only has 21 edits on Wiki, 18 of which seem to be edit-warring)

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I've made a request for comments (re history) for this talk section:

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article. How can we avoid an edit war at this, and other, articles?

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The IRA is a military organisation, whose origins can be traced to

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as being covered by this project. There are other article in the

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to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the

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article states that they were just militants but not terrorists

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Yeah, I see what you are saying. It wouldn't be worth the fight.

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indeed, applies equally to loyalists as it does to republicans.

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Use of military infobox for paramilitary/terrorist-group members

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or the right to kill another in the name of religion, religious

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There has been long discussion and disputes around the article

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If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at

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Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at

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A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as

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infobox applies as much to "loyalists" as to "republicans".

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Is Knowledge being used by Terrorists or Terrorist Apologists?

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In this particular case, Camp Ashraf is where members of the

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What something neutral about an explosion, blood and a skull?

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is for someone to come up with a list of the missing fields.

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Your argument about OBL's distant relatives is a red herring.

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Please comment on the September 11th WikiProject proposal at

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I would also appreciate knowing people's opinions on whether

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Knowledge:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Omar Khadr

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Talk:September_11,_2001_attacks#Norman_Mineta_testimony_issue

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on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at

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Anyone know the origin of this phrase? We have the claim at

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Talk:Celebrations_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks#Merge.3F

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Welcome to the group. Our current logo is the symbol of the

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with those initials, which some of you may have heard of. --

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Talk:American_Airlines_Flight_587#Sources_for_Jdey_citation

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could be upped in ranking. How does one motion it for so?

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo weigh-ins

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I have conducted a reassessment of this article for the

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the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page

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There is a Request for Comment on whether the articles

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Knowledge 0.7 articles have been selected for Terrorism

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http://en.wikipedia.org/East_Turkestan_Islamic_Movement

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Attributing and contextualizing minority 9/11 theories

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added 1993 wtc bombing to list of past terror attacks

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as terrorist and remove any use of those words from

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I can't tell if it's a real group, a poorly-handled

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It's a POV redirect and should be speedily deleted.

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Category:Terrorists has been nominated for deletion

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This needs to be pinned down. 4250:I know, I'm so nasty arnt I! sheesh!-- 4198:Knowledge:WikiProject Military history 3417:Knowledge:WikiProject Citation cleanup 3116:under their scope. 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Thanks. 1965:your comments abou the Air Force. 1549:Domestic terrorist (United States) 1257:According to the 18th IMC report ( 384:FYI, I have nominated the article 24: 3631:Lord's Resistance Army insurgency 3562:Institute for Conflict Management 3551:Institute for Conflict Management 3000:2009 Lahore police academy crisis 2994:2009 Lahore police academy crisis 2819:If you are already subscribed to 2511:content placed in retaliation to 2318:Yussef Mohammed Mubarak Al Shihri 2212:I'd like to propose removing the 1751:Additional input is requested at 82:This page is within the scope of 4863:NA-importance Terrorism articles 4858:Project-Class Terrorism articles 4508:, who described the conflict in 3820:Talk:Jean Charles de Menezes/GA1 2409:Neo-Zionist political violence ? 2277: 2078:for the purposes of this project 1960:Using a defunct movement is the 1831:Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing 1468:Irish Republican Liberation Army 1462:Irish Republican Liberation Army 837: 386:1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack 378:1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack 129: 75: 57: 30: 3664:The CIA and September 11 (book) 3441:Dear Morbid Fairy aka Satanoid 2306:When should we rename articles? 102:Knowledge:WikiProject Terrorism 4868:WikiProject Terrorism articles 3555:South Asian Terrorism Portal‎‎ 3130:. 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