Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 27

1107:"Encyclpedic" is defined by Webster's as being comprehensive on a branch of knowledge. In the interest of being comprehensive, naturally we would list prices that are completely standardized - these aren't prices that change from store to store, like most products that might go on "sale" at any time. A copy of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles downloaded off of the Wii Shop Channel is going to cost the same in North Pole, Alaska as it is when downloaded in Enid, Oklahoma. And what do we want to be as an encyclopedia? We want to be informative. Useful. That's the entire purpose of an encyclopedia. So again, to be informative and useful... we list the prices, because that is both. I also notice that the "Knowledge (XXG) is not a price guide," they're a general good guideline, is not actually something you have linked as real policy. It's just something that's being DEBATED as policy. That's not the same as something we can take a hardline stance on. And even if we could, something that is a standard flat charge without concern of taxes or sales would be a natural exception. So again, 358:. While the first game was indeed titled in accordance with the NA version based on it being released there first, the fact that the EU version is coming first should trump consistency. On top of that, Iwata recently criticized NoA because Brain Training (the EU version of the first game) has been selling 30,000 on average per week in EU, while Brain Age only did 10,000 per week on average. Additionally, most Chart-Track charts in EU and the Australian chart show Brain Training to be a strong contender week after week, and a press release from at least two months ago say that Brain Training has sold 2 million in Europe (comparing that with New SMB which was 2 million + the fact that Brain Training has been beating New SMB regularly in EU = 2nd best-selling EU DS game behind Nintendogs), while by the end of March it hasn't broken 1.5 million in NA. Fact of the matter is that the series is so much more popular and well-known in Europe and Australia, and Nintendo acknowledged that by the fact that Europe is getting preference with the release of the sequel. - 4660:

mistakingly claim Space Invaders as an "atari game". Happens with a good deal of properties that Atari licensed (such as Pac-Man). My main concern however with these, is the inconsistency of naming. Having some blank titles, some disambiged to (video games) and some to (arcade games) is messy and confusing. I suggested the above user bring the debate here to reach a consensus, which I will be happy to abide by. But it is a naming convention issue that I feel can be perfectly addressed by the fellow members of this project. I know A Link to the Past and my self both have these entries best interests in mind, and I have nothing personal against him. Just thought it was time to get other people's opinions and get something up on the project page as a guideline hopefully. --

1951:. Also, no. You did not say that NoE is advertising it on television. At least, not on this page. Of course, one could argue that, if they need to advertise it, it must not be that recognizable... must not have very trustworthy brand power... (yeah, I'm just kidding ya) But, anyways, back to your actual point: Yes, they're giving europe the sequel first for a good reason: Because it sold better. How does that prove it's more recognizable? If, say, the Hulk (as in, that terrible movie with the CG hulk) were to end up selling more copies in, say, Lithuania (just a random country), would that mean it was automatically more recognizable there than in north america? Or would it simply mean that it sold more? yargh. I don't want to continue with this because it's missing the point. 748:

America. The only evidence provided to say that Brain Age is big in NA is from me, that it sold 1.3 million, but I provided evidence to show that Brain Training had sold 2 million (months ago). On top of that, the fact that the president of Nintendo's main regional branch criticized the American branch for selling so much worse than the EU version shows that Brain Age and Brain Training are in completely different classes - apparently, what Brain Age sells is inadequate in comparison to Brain Training's. The fact of the matter is not only that Europe is a smaller region in regard to gaming, and yet the DS and many of its games are more successful in Europe. Hell, the UK alone has more than 3 million DS Lites sold. -

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infobox would be the same length. But to be honest, you're probably right when you say it would make things too complicated. I think it's already too complicated. If you've got big long infoboxes it just looks a mess. I think it could be improved, but I'm not sure how. By the way, in that Golden Axe article, it's kind of screwed up because there's a big long stretch of blank space. You could fix that by moving the first screenshot beneath the infobox to a point further down the article, in a different section, but well.. that kind of thing happens in so many articles, maybe that's something that wikipedia in general could address. I've seen the white space thing happen all over the place..

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conversion of Bomberman) also I don't vote for articles which I know that I personally won't be able to help, it seems wrong voting for an article and not helping with the edits when it wins, using this weeks nominations as an example again, I haven't any magazines that date back to Bomberman and Rakuga Kids is a Jap. import which wasn't covered by any of my magazines either, so I can't even do something as simple as add a citation. As for killing it? I wouldn't be happy to see it go but if it's going to stay on it's downward spiral then perhaps a line in the sand is a good idea. I wonder if Monthly would work or whether it would just exacerbate the lack of interest.<br\: -->

788:(Yes, I realize the title doesn't AGF, and is needlessly divisive, but ah well). You actually bring up an interesting topic, though. I'd never heard of, "English Training". The only problem is that I can't find an entry for English Training on nintendo's uk website. (or any evidence at all that there even exists an "english" version of the game. Kinda ironic, eh?) The image for the game in that article was actually taken from a french website. I can find lots of references to it coming to Europe, but can't find anything to confirm that it had a UK (or other english) version at all. I couldn't find it on the australian site either (I know australia isn't europe, but I'm 1752:

with inferior reason - I mean, I gave a pretty good argument for Brain Age just recently, showing the overwhelming popularity of the EU version and - in the eyes of NCL's CEO, the disappointing sales of the NA version. I've shown that the sequel will be coming to Europe AND Australia before NA, showing where the user base is. I've shown that Google hits are not reliable, as they are almost always going to give preference to the NA title. IMO, any argument for the usage of the NA name goes down the toilet when I point out that Brain Age's 60,000 lead in Google hits really means nothing. -

2726:. From what I've seen: I believe the Petey article is the only one with an active merge discussion. There is a split tag on the list page as well (but I see very little discussion on the talk page about it). I decided to post it all together here to get more responses. My opinion on the matter is: if the character has done enough to warrant an article is should be an article (not just a section on an ever growing list page). A small section on the list page should be fine still: with a link to the character article. 1339:. I have the right to continue this, as I feel the poll isn't the solution to this. Look at the other links I provided above: some people are for, some are against. This is certainly not a solved case. The fact several users (TJ Spyke being one) are ignoring the discussions, and claiming the poll is 100 percent right... is a bit rude in my opinion. Not joining the discussion is one thing: but ignoring them because they claim it's over, is just wrong. TJ's edit here (at the bottom) is simply bad faith in my opinion: 1822:

to use one name and no reason to use the other besides "it's always been there", we shouldn't just "stick with it". I actually provided an argument that would show how well-known BT is compared to BA and how successful it was in comparison, should I not get something in return for actually forming my debate well? I've seen nothing to even remotely imply that Brain Age is more popular, so I can say that their argument does not focus on the popularity of Brain Age, but rather Google hits (anecdotal evidence). -

262:. Combination continues to revert without discussing it here. When I go to edit videogame articles that use Infobox footnotes, I see they are gone, and the information is lost and reduces the quality of the article. In addition, the footnotes have citations, and removing the footnotes deletes the linkback to them. In essence, the reader wonders something like, "Um, I see reference 4 in the References section, but it doesn't exist in the article? Why is it here?". Combination finally discusses the issue, 4292:"Common sense cannot override the need for more than the primary source." Is there a rule somewhere that states that there must be at least two primary sources for any given article? "That is something we really cannot do, or we sort of break the stance on covering fiction only if it proves to be notable in the real world (something that the games themselves cannot do)." Is this talking about writing material in an "in-fiction" stance? As in writing about fictional characters as if they are real people? 467:

consistency require a Japanese game be translated into an English title to be consistent to the English title? Additionally, perhaps Brain Age's article should be based on the EU title. The "coming to the US first" argument is only good if it can be said that it's also more popular. However, I have both arguments backing me - and while people who wish for it to be based on the NA title argue for the first release claim, I actually had a higher level of popularity for the EU version.

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may have been shooting for. There is no need for two articles for the same game unless the game has radical differences. So I think we should just mention the game for arcade titles, like Pac-Man does, not have the disambig, unless the disambig is absolutely needed, which for the titles mentioned above, it does not. Just be sure to mention difference in the console versions in the article. Sorry if it seems like I'm changing my opinion halfway thru, but my vote is

31: 4237:. Remember that the carts are pirated and the legitimate game companies, such as Nintendo, do not recognize the carts for obvious reasons. Now, with unlicensed titles, sometimes they get listed on websites such as IGN along with the official titles. Yet, Super Donkey Kong Xiang Jiao Chuan probably will never get listed as it illegally bears Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong. EDIT: Classicgaming.com has an article about Somari 4207:) - the same ports are found for Street Fighter and Super Mario World, for instance. I feel that unauthorized versions of existing games sold in East Asia should be listed in the articles of the respective games (unless the games are notable enough to warrant their own articles, i.e. Somari). I am not planning to give Wai Xing its own article; the name "Wai Xing Zhan Shi" redirects to Phantasy Star IV. 1854:

being stubborn, or arrogant. It's simply a fact of life that people will tend to favour the styles that are most natural to them. Does it suck that the americans keep getting their versions in first? I guess. But if you don't like it, then start creating more articles yourself. Or, at the very least, try to get them moved while they're still fresh. I mean, as far as videogames are concerned, a

2248:. I'm very busy at the moment and I can't maintain the GCOTW for the moment. Tomorrow I'll update the GCOTW with the current nominations but after that we either need somebody else to update or disband it. It actually only takes a few minutes a week to maintain, but I just can't be sure that I'll have the time each week, and we really need someone who can reliably do the update. 294:

that you changed the template (which I'm shocked isn't fully protected), then used that change in one article, then claimed that a reversion was unjustified because that change was now being used. I know that it's a small change that's being used in one article, but you really should have discussed it here first before you messed with a template used in 16000+ articles. --

1862:! Trying to get it moved now is futile. What's more, you should really try being more cooperative. Stop assigning silly strawman arguments to people who might disagree with you. Actually address their arguments. In the end, it's just a bloody name. It's just a silly spelling. It should take a (very distant) backseat to the actual content of the articles themselves. 2234:

alive since the project seems pretty much dead. I did remove the template from Bomberman since the nomination was over but I couldn't figure out how to move the project on or set up the next nomination and since no one else doesn't seem to be able to take over I say let's just end it instead of letting this downward spiral continue.

2113:, but I think that perhaps this WikiProject has become too large to just focus on any one thing at any one time. I'm asking this question since I've taken over the maintenance of the GCOTW since Thunderbrand left. I think that I too have to quit Knowledge (XXG) soon and would hope that others would pick up where I have left off... 1875:

Additionally, we see Europe given preference in the series by the fact that they got the sequel first (besides Japan). What reason would Nintendo have to give preference to EU if it is not more recognizable? Let's just assume that they're making nearly a billion dollars quarterly because of good business decisions, not luck. -

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to articles without disambigs; however, someone is opposing, claiming that it is standard practice to put disambigs after the titles of arcade game articles and that in the case of SI, the A2600 version is just as well-known and played. And in regard to the disambig subject, most arcade game articles

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Hello again. Regarding the proposed merger of the "system-only games" subcategories mentioned somewhere above, there's only been two opinions registered so far, and one of those was by the creator of one of the said categories. Come on, whether you're for or against, let's get some consensus! It's at

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Note that it's been active for less than a week; we can't expect hordes of Wikipedians to join after a few days, especially if the project's not being promoted at all, save here. But again, if after a longer time three or four editors will remain and no new Wikipedians will be joining up, I'm all for

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I'm not sure it would complicate the Golden Axe article any more. As it is, the article's already got release dates for the arcade, and then another one for master system and megadrive. If there was just an original release date for arcade, and then there was another box for what ports were done, the

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I've been worried about CVG for a while to be honest, there seems to be less people taking part in the discussion page and the whole project seems to be splitting into smaller and smaller groups that only care about their own tiny sliver of the CVG world and not bothered about CVG as a whole. Perhaps

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At no point does advertising a game constitute low recognizability. The fact that it's consistently in the top ten and is most often the best-selling DS game week-by-week in EU shows that advertising helps much. The fact that it's currently being advertised, unlike Brain Age, shows that people are at

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Well, for a start it's not intended for an English audience! It's a 'game' which teaches people how to speak English, and has been released in a number of other languages as a starting point. But the fact that this doesn't have an English-language version isn't relevent, surely? What's relevent is

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that consistency is the most important thing here. Can we please forget about the argument of "what the original article used", since on all WP guidelines that's the very last tiebreaking criterion to use? But anyway. I agree that we should have consistency, but then this should also be consistent

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Seriously, would it hurt so bad for certain games to be based on the EU title? I couldn't move Trace Memory because someone decided that anecdotal evidence (Google hits) is proof that it has to be the NA title. Couldn't move Brain Age because it came to the US first. Why must the articles be aimed at

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Brain Training had two million two months ago and it still selling very high since. Brain Age is at 1.3 million LTD by the end of February. That is much, much more than "selling marginally more". The fact that Nintendo is giving Europe the first crack at this game is reason enough. Also, would naming

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I don't see why you need a footnote in the infobox itself. Is there something wrong with having the footnote at the bottom of the article just like almost every other one that uses them? You say that they do not belong at the end of an article, but why? You give no reason for that. It seems to me

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there must have been a reasoning behind it but I can't work out what it was. Galaga doesn't need disambiguating from anything else and yet it has two disambig pages. It's starting to look like the disambiguation titles are being used as some kind of filing system, which is not what they are meant to

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With Space Invaders, it absolutely is. Space Invaders was the best selling and is the best know Atari 2600 game out there. We do need disambiguation for that one due to the console version's notability unless we can somhow combine it into one article like most games, which I think A Link to the Past

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The purpose of this template is obviously to inform readers from the start that this is a game no longer in development, and was never released. I've seen this type of template on several other wikis, most of which more game oriented, and I figured that it would be good to have one here as well. But

2000:(outdent)Nice to see that you know what "I'm just kidding ya" means... But, as for MoS, I take it, then, that your response is that, no, you don't have any policies or guidelines you can cite that state that sales should override what's explicitly stated by MoS? And I take it that you don't have any 1821:

What am I supposed to do? That was their primary argument besides "it was titled Brain Age for long enough". No sales trends, statistics, company statements, statements from anyone involved in Nintendo ever implied that Brain Age could even reasonably be called the primary usage. If there's a reason

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Yes, and do you know what the "S" stands for? SUGGESTED. That's why, today, I walked into Best Buy and saw 'Spider-Man: Battle for New York' for $ 19.99. Then I went into GameCo 10 minutes later and saw the same game for $ 29.99. It's also why I can find the DVD of Pirates of the Caribbean: CotBP at

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Slightly more popular according to Google, which as I've said many times, is always going to give preference to the NA version of a game simply because there are not only more video game web sites originating from NA, but also more powerful web sites - IGN, GameSpot, 1UP, they are all based in North

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I can sympathize with having your naming conventions constantly stomped on. I'm a canadian, and I keep having to see 'check' (instead of cheque), 'color', and armor, and hear 'zee' instead of 'zed'. But you need to choose your battles, and I think the first thing to ask yourself is, "how would using

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name, purely because the entire mini-genre that the games spawned are all pretty much named *** Training. But the consistency argument does have some weight, so you'd probably have to move both which is unlikely to happen. It's not impossible to move something to the European name, it just needs to

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I've recommended the above article for Knowledge (XXG) for Schools. I'm trying to tidy it up to a standard acceptable for that but it has a NPOV tag on it, the problem is I can't really see a NPOV problem in that section, could someone have a quick read of the Seventh Generation section and tell me

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Actually, I've only been discussing on Space Invaders, not Galaga, bases loaded, etc. As someone who actually works in the industry as a historian, writer, and programmer, I can state with regards to the 2600 version often gets confused for the main platform. So much so that one often sees people

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enthusiasts, but isn't) from scratch, as it's possibly one of the most unencyclopedic, long-winded and shabbily-written articles on Knowledge (XXG). And that's going to be a colossal task, so the project will need all the help it can get. In any case, I hope this is just the starting phase and that

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The short answer is, no, generally fair-use images in galleries are not kosher. The long answer is that galleries tend to be towards the end of the spectrum farthest away from fair use, but enforcement tends towards the sporadic. There are a few exceptions; games licensed under the GPL or something

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If you have been watching the GCOTW the collaboration hasn't been updated since the Bomberman nomination and no one has tried to pick up where Jacoplane left off with it. At this point with participation being so low and no one really taking notice I can't see it being worth keeping the GCOTW pages

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Although I contribute to the vote and believe it can do things for articles the response lately for votes has been so low it seems at this point the project has become just a waste of time for the people that do vote since good candidates aren't being nominated or at least being found and even when

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To Hahnch, that's actually a reasonably good argument, though "Brain Age" would have an equally good argument, in that the central aspect of the game is that it calculates your "brain age", and tracks your "brain age" across time. So, I'd say either argument was valid in that respect. I still think

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I'm focusing on Europe. The dialect of the article should be based on what focus is given. I didn't say PAL because that would create complications in how to write the article. It may be the PAL region, but I doubt that the writing of the article would be the same whether the Australian English was

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states that this should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception, so WP:RS is not set in stone. Also remember that the games themselves prove to be good sources; the Wai Xing cart, for instance, claims that the Waixing Company made it. I also see a Chinese message before the title

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Some comments: that many stub articles indicates to me that the scope of this WikiProject may be too wide, and the folks with the Adventure game project may have the right idea. That aside, besides expanding articles, a lot of what's out there can be merged with existing material. If an article is

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about how to sort the sortable list of games. On one hand, there is a preference to list all of the released games together in one table. On the the other hand, some people, intmidated by the appearance of one large table, insist on separating the list into five tables, each grouping the games by

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There's the official site. Oh, PS: I don't think the lack of a site means less recognizability, it means that they never made one. What gets a site is only based on what they want to give a site to. And you know what? ALL Touch Generations games lack EU sites, they're just given mini-sites on this

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isn't a criteria for getting an article moved. I've cited precisely why it shouldn't be moved, based on guidelines that were specifically intended to avoid these sorts of conflicts. If you're going to keep using sales as the sole and only measure of recognizability, and if you're going to continue

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This isn't a failed proposal in my opinion. There was some discussion about it: then the discussion died. If most people outright said they didn't want the proposal: that would be failed. There is some people that want the prices, and some that don't. That's not a consensus, so I see no reason why

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than a series. These aren't Training 1, Training 2, Training 3, Training 4. The two Brain Training games are a series. English Training is a separate title with a vaguely similar goal (but not terribly). General Knowledge Training is similar. I just don't see them as having much weight in terms of

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We need more than primary sources in order to show the real world notability of the subject. Without that, it is impossible to cover a topic. I'm saying, that without sources, these games are comparable to hacked roms and fan fiction, which also assert nothing in real life (only on the internet).

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making the first move. Understandably, it's a relatively small-scale project for now, but we already have a couple of things planned. If you're interested in helping to improve Knowledge (XXG)'s coverage of this partially forgotten genre, you're welcome to help out; our first task is to start the

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Start realizing that not every naming choice is an attack, insult, or attempt to denigrate anyone else. I'm a canadian. I have to see american spellings all the time (and, ugh, hear "zee" instead of "zed"), but I don't assume that every case of an american spelling in wikipedia is based on people

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I don't even really care about soccer vs. football. I'm talking about titles. I think there is too much pro-NA bias and anti-EU bias on the CVG, and I think we have to consider establishing SOMETHING so that the large majority of NA editors don't just flood the polls and block any pro-EU decision

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That image is actually quite hard to pick out with its dark greens and blacks. I don't think there's anything wrong with a tank image, but something a little bolder and iconic would do. Although to be honest, I really wouldn't mind just standardising all cvg stubs with the cvg controller image.

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significant version of the article had the PAL title, then there would need to be good reason to change it. (Though the converse is true of the Mario Strikers Charged article. You need a better reason than "Europe likes soccer".) Link, first off, it isn't a matter of where it's more "popular", so

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I don't see why Brain Age could be argued as the better title, based on the simple fact that it's less popular. I've been doing tons of research to show which is more popular, and all the Brain Age side has done is do Google searches. As it stands, "Brain Age" + "Nintendo DS" only has 60,000 more

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and there's no potential for confusion with other article titles. Parenthetical clarifiers are not intended to classify articles, they're only used to resolve ambiguity when two or more articles share the same title. The following articles also have this problem and should be moved back to their

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Knowledge (XXG) does not use anecdotal evidence. For instance, I've NEVER seen it mistaken and I write articles and game reviews semi-professionally. Is the Atari version ever mentioned in popular media? Is it ever mentioned in magazines or professional web sites? Is it ever referred to as being

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I can't imagine that it is considered one if a single trace of it cannot be found in the featured game articles (it seems to have a plentiful amount of information). Passing an AfD doesn't give it an auto-pass or anything. You just need people that won't vote purely on "It looks notable." Common

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Is Classic Gaming considered a reliable source here? If so, it may work as a starting place. Something official can be anything from Nintendo saying "We didn't make it or condone i.t" to an article in a notable gaming magazine saying "Ooh, look at this!" If they cannot be found in something like

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force, however, is broader in scope and its existence is an argument in favor of the merge. Also, I didn't look around just yet, but I don't believe there are many active WikiProjects devoted to specific game genres. If enough members of WP:CVG and the handful of WP:ADVENTURE contributors agree,

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want to split sections out of larger articles to make them into their own separate articles. However, I do agree that if someone creates a stub about, say, a minor character, and then never goes back and fills in the details, there's no reason to have the page at all; it should be merged with a

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I think I worked on four or five a while back, but I really don't know if it's in the low point of a cycle or the bottom of a downhill slide. I say let it die. Maybe leave a mention of it's fate on the main page, and if enough people want to Frankenstein it, we can revive it later. It's too bad;

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I would like to point out (in the case of Virtual Console games for the Wii at least): games are a constant price, with only a few exceptions. The table at the list page for the games: doesn't need a special box to list the redundant price. I've suggested a compromise of just listing the overall

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better to maintain consistency, isn't it? Again, if you have the options of, for example, ("Brain Age", "Big Brain Academy", "More Brain Training"), or, ("Brain Age", "Big Brain Academy", "Brain Age 2"), isn't the latter option really better than the former, in terms of easily illustrating which

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articles were changed to Brain Training. My problem is with having one of each. That's just bad form. Of course, there are other considerations to discuss, like, "which form was used in the earliest significant contributions?", and stuff like that. But I still think this is best discussed on the

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significant. Having Brain Age for one title, and "Brain Training" for the sequel is needlessly complicated. (Especially considering the fact that there are already so many other similar titles in the market) From a very quick glance, if one were to see "Brain Age", "Big Brain Academy", and "More

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TTN, to find how often they are in the real world, we would have to search in Chinese (esp. to see if there are pictures of pirated carts) and/or travel to or contact people in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, or Mainland China. Pirates carts are not common in North America. Also, I would like to

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People may have an interest in the topic, but they still aren't notable by this site's standards. Unless backed by something official recognizing their existence, they assert nothing more than a slight interest from some people (something that the number of Google hits shows). That really isn't

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While each issue is different, I'd guess that people are comparing English speaking countries in the PAL region to English speaking countries in NA. While this is indeed unfair, it's not really unexpected. I'm guessing you already know this, but how do we shift the paradigm of every user on the

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Let's see - the president of Nintendo, one of the people involved in the creation of the game, viewed Brain Age's sales as disappointing, and gave praise to Brain Training's. If the most powerful person in a multi-billion dollar company's opinion on a product is unimportant, what is important?

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I'm fully for the articles without disambigs. It strikes me as a bit odd that there is a disambig on a title that doesn't need disambiguating from anything else, And then ends up with the correct article title pointing to a disambig page that holds the actual article. It's just plain daft. -

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My feelings towards it are mostly a combination of what has already been said. I think the low vote turnout is down to what hahnchen said, people don't feel comfortable working on articles which they don't personally know (My closest knowledge of the current two candidates is the Mega Drive

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Most PAL countries don't have English as their official language, but games are generally released in these countries under an English name, as most developed countries are pretty fluent in English. I don't go for in for these arguments too much, and unless there's a strong reason to change

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Some video game pages have galleries, some don't. What are the rules and recommendations concerning whether a game should have a gallery, and how many pictures should be in said gallery? If this information is already established, sorry and please link to the relevant Wiki info page. --

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How do you think I feel? People say "Europe"/"EU" even though the region is called "PAL region"/"PAL". Hell, you did it. Ever heard of South Africa? Australia? New Zealand? Even worse, when there's a separate AU entry, it's says Australia. Are you forgetting New Zealand? It's Australasia.

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I really don't want to make a big deal out of it. The regular notability guideline seems to work just fine anyways. We just need something published that asserts notability for these articles (I don't believe just listing a game on IGN counts. They don't actually talk about them at all.)

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It seems that in the project, no one is willing to let any article aimed at the EU style of writing or its EU title. The only argument ever given is Google hits, which also say that American football is more popular than football. Is anyone going to try to fix this significant problem? -

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I'd retire it. CVG has changed from being a smaller niche project in the mediaspace to a large overseer policy and such kind of project. The problem is that all major games have more than a stubbed article, and cleaning up big articles really isn't an interesting collaborative task. -

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how many were sold in europe, and anywhere else where it's called "brain training", and how many were sold in the US, Canada, and anywhere else it's called "brain age"?) Of course, I don't think those numbers would be entirely relevant anyways, since I don't get the impression there's a

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article benefits from a table showing the varying versions. Only him and myself are participating in the debate, I think it should stay, he thinks it should go, and has removed it. Anyone want to contribute, either for or against, just so we get a more reasoned debate? Discussion is

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In terms of quality, the article is probably better than a lot of stuff around. But you need sources, 3rd party sources. If this game garnered any popularity whatsoever, then it will have been reviewed in magazines like PC Gamer. If you get multiple magazine references in such as

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However, until then, the fact remains that both the north american and european titles are very much well-known. This isn't a case of one obscure title, and one very prevalent title. How well they did relative other games is irrelevant. Even if you wish to talk numbers, what are the

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I'll wait for them to find reliable sources. But it'll be difficult to write about because none of us speak the language. Also, that guideline doesn't have any relevance. The amount of Google results doesn't matter, I based it on the amount of reliable sources, which is still zero.

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about a minor character in a particular game, we can merge it with that game. If an article is a one-line blurb about a sequel to a particular game, merge it with the original. Other games with a tiny bit of content can be redirected to the appropriate "List of ________ games". --

4493:- This is a review by a group called "The Ripping Project" - I honestly thought that everything related to this game was a ROM downloading site... till I found this! Still, this particular website is not that well known. I guess I should continue searching and see what I find. 1160:, many stores will release at different dates. Not to mention you completely ignored the game guide argument. We don't have to include information just because it exists and a group will find it useful. When you have something like the Model T, its pricing is important because 800:

a truely english version of the game (again, I see the irony), then I'd at least have to entirely reassess my entire position. To that end, I encourage you to find a good official site for the english version of the game (intended for native english speakers). Or, heck, as a

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Would be a shame to see it go, although you're quite right in pointing out that there's been some poor turnouts vote-wise and numbers of contributions-wise. If people aren't comfortable doing games they don't know, could we find more popular games that need attention?

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In that case, you mean you need a source that states that the games are notable in the real world. I never see mainstream ROM download sites include rom hacks, but I often see pirated and unlicensed commercial games included along with licensed, legitimate games.

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I see people arguing down the superior sales of certain games in EU regions by both saying "Spain etc. don't count, so it's UK + Australia vs. US and Canada" and "there's more people in Europe, so it's an unfair comparison". That's gotta come from an NA-bias. -

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Mentioning the price in an article about the game seems fine to me if there's something notable about it, but when it's done in these lists then that's a bit much (way too price-guide-ish). And what's all this about.. Wii points? you have to be kidding me. --

672:, where the game has been primarily targeted at the PAL market (they are after all, the ones who know what football is). But the fact that the current name is shorter will still make any move very difficult. Even stronger arguments for moving a page would be 4425:

How exactly is that going to get a reliable source? That would just be confirming that they exist, which is already done. We need to know who cares about them and who recognizes them as something notable in order to cover them here (as with any other topic).

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The Mario series enemies shows the problem with relentless creation of mega pages. I think we need to start merging into the (often sole) game that they appear in - for instance, I suggested that Fryguy (and the other three boss characters) be merged into

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Easier said than done, friend. Brain Training has so much reason to use it compared to Brain Age's almost nonexistent reason it's not even funny, and yet people completely deny the usage of the EU title (which is funny, because it's so completely inane). -

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sense cannot override the need for more than the primary source. That is something we really cannot do, or we sort of break the stance on covering fiction only if it proves to be notable in the real world (something that the games themselves cannot do).

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changing the two Brain Age article titles. As it is, the English Training article is still a stub, with no reason to expect it to expand significantly. The General Knowledge Training article, though not explicitly labelled as such, is also really a stub.

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Best Buy for $ 14.99, and then see it in Target for $ 13.77. Prices are different based on what the store opts to set them at. Prices of Xbox Live Arcade or Wii Shop Channel games don't change anywhere in the continent, no matter where you shop from. --

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english-language versions of those two titles, and officially name the english language versions, "General Knowledge Training", and "English Training", then I'll certainly reconsider. (And heck, if that ever happens, I can't imagine supporting anything

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Also, do you have any information to cite one title being better-known than the other? Or any reason to have two games within the same series follow entirely different naming conventions, beyond simply, "Brain Training sold marginally better than Brain

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Well, I guess I'll do it. Presumably the "x-only" cats need merging into their parents rather than deleting. I may need some help here though -- so far I've got "x-only"'s for ZX Spectrum, DS, Gamecube, PS2, PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii. Are there any more?!

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I wonder if there is a high-profile/reliable source in Chinese that discusses the game. I'm not saying it is automatically worthy of "keep" in this case - it means we have to find someone who knows Chinese who can assess this and tell us the answer.

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in a roughly chronological order, which means it's pretty obvious which platforms came first. Originating systems should be covered in the first paragraph, the infobox is only there to supply additional information the article does not cover--e.g.

3467:"every article" is the very problem. An innumerable number of Japan-developed games have names that differ slightly or completely from the rest of the world, so this category would encompass virtually all NES/SNES/Genesis/MSX/FM-Towns/etc. games. 1546:. If you can't find a source for the "cancelled" NES game, then just leave it out. The other 2 products, won't have many sources at all in the video game press, they're not really targeted at the same market as the ones which the press covers. - 1204:

price (per group of games), at the top of each section. But no one seems to even agree with that. So this matter seems to be an "all or nothing" deal. In that case: prices shouldn't be listed. I try to compromise, but people don't want to listen.

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How's about having a ports section in the video gaming infobox? That way, you could change 'release date' to 'original release date' and that way it'd be less confusing. You would know which was the original machine the game was released on and

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I believe all of the sites owned by IGN, in terms of the content actually published by IGN (and not stuff posted on forums), is considered to be reliable. This means Somari is more or less notable (not that this is an issue - Somari survived a

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connected? And when you start considering all of those other similar games for the DS, doesn't consistency become even more important? I won't bother arguing for one version over the other. Frankly, I really don't care which is chosen. But, I

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I should be using. I also feel that, even though it is a section of the article, that it should follow some of the standards by the gaming community. If I could get a few eyes over there for some help it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Those would likely not be reliable sources. The assertion that they exist isn't reliable because it asserts nothing in the notablity department. Unless published sources are given, it is useless to say "Oh, there might be some over here..."

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Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not sure if turning the project into a task force would be sufficient, as four of the five task forces already in existence are for specific game franchises and the genre encompasses much more than that. The

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That's funny, I could swear that, in the interest of being informative and useful, that would mean including game guide information. You're also absolutely wrong about the price changing in different areas, there's a thing called an "MSRP".

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I doubt they have anything more than "they exist", which is what we already have (I also don't understand Chinese, and online translators suck). Plus, it isn't up to me to assert their notability; it's up to editors that want to keep them.

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titles. As for your question, "would it hurt so bad for certain games to be based on the EU title?" Well, no. It wouldn't hurt in the slightest. And, (and I realize Spyke probably disagrees with me on this one) frankly, I wouldn't care if

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I don't think that I'll have the time to prune or update the GCOTW in the next three weeks... could someone here volunteer to take care of it for a while, I'd be more than happy to explain exactly what needs to be done. Thanks in advance.

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Precisely. The Atari version is nothing more than a successful port. It's not notable enough to get its own article, unlike the Atari version of Pac-Man. Zelda on the GBA was popular, for instance, but it doesn't get its own article. -

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something, I just go by what was originally there. Which in the case of Brain Training, is Brain Age. The flat out worst argument I've had at Knowledge (XXG) is when editors tried to replace perfectly valid English language box art at

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WP has options to let you have dates displayed the way you want (so can choose to have all linked dates show up as mm/dd or dd/mm, thus the date only affects unregistered users since they will see whatever is written in the article).

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more well recognized is certainly no argument in favour of Brain Training. In this case, the only way you can legitimately get it moved is if the first significant contribution was "Brain Training", or if you can illustrate that it's

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Probably better to have a list of video game genres, or list of categories whose members represent those genres. I agree that this article seems to be "all video games ever made, broken down by genre", which seems... futile. --

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Sharing the sentiments above, there is no need for this. It isn't always clear if the game has been cancelled, and if that is the case, it should be made more clear in the opening sentence or infobox, this banner isn't needed. -

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Sorry, I haven't seen any documentation on this. But I would think that it shouldn't have a gallery, except in extraordinary circumstances (eg. very highly notable graphics). But don't quote me on this since I may be wrong.

1802:, but if you want to list on RM, you'll have to be more succinct. You should also try and be positive about why the move should be made, and not second guess the opposing arguments as you have done (by leading with Google). - 3414:. But seriously, I agree, it's a bit overdone in terms of being a useful category. Not to mention it almost begs for sibling categories comparing US to Asia, Europe to Asia, and whatever else. I don't think it's necessary. -- 3992:

the initiative will grow into something much bigger soon. I apologize for the tone of this message (which is suspiciously reminiscent of bad advertisements); in a nutshell, though, if you're willing to help, welcome aboard.

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This was brought up before, and I seem to remember consensus leaning toward getting rid of the -only catagories - which makes sense to me, as such catagories could easily be done with lists and be much more effective, IMO.

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Can I get more input on this? I'm considering a request for comment (for the list page/pages for Virtual Console at least). This pricing needs to go. Constant prices or not: Wikpedia shouldn't be turned into a price guide.

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Well, it depends on what assertion is being backed up by the sources. I believe that a statement stating "This game is downloadable from various websites hawking ROMs of licensed games" can be backed up by these sites.

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It's not even opinion, really. Templates of that sort are only to be used if they can be removed at a later date. It's not so much that we don't want to inform, but rather than it's not the way articles are made on WP.

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The reason given for re-adding footnotes yesterday was that you (Combination) were the only one who opposed it, and because you were a red link and no longer here then it was OK to re-add the field. Wonderful logic. -

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I guess because not every NES game has its own article. GamerWiki, which aims to have an article for every released game since it is a catalogue of games, can use the category in this way, but Knowledge (XXG) can't.

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Since the HL2 fair use rationale is utterly generic, it follows such rationales are utterly pointless. And Falcon 4.0 did have fair use rationale, but it got deleted nevertheless. I don't mind - this is good comedy.

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I think that would only complicate things further. Third-party games are generally released (almost) simultaneously on several systems, meaning there isn't any "original" platform. I've been in the habit of ordering

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In which case a version without disputed fields should be reinstated as neither footnotes nor picture format were included without clear consensus, provided one is still required as the last field was added without

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I don't think an FA is worth breaking the law, sorry. It's kind of like NOS where I live. Legal to buy and own, but not to use. I'll keep looking for a better picture though. Can anyone help me with the manual

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But how does that prove that the rest of the world knows of them? The same thing can be said about many hacked roms. They need something related to the real world to back them rather than the emulation world.

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What is it then, if it's not a price guide? A point guide? Also as a note: the links above don't work (the diffs from Nishkid and TJ on the Virtual Console list page), I'm not sure what I did wrong with that.

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The consistency argument as Bladestorm presents it does have its merits, and I don't think you're ever going to get the articles to the Training name. I think you'd have a lot stronger argument for moving

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Oh hell, not you too Jacoplane (your welcome message was very nice). As for me...well, I love video games and the CVG moniker, but I only feel comfortable with video games that I have personally played.

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After the other articles are merged, I plan on transforming the character list into an actual functioning one(for the main recurring characters), so most of them will be able to be placed there after.

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The latter title. If it truly is as popular as you say it is, and was specifically marketed to a European clientele, then that title is preferred, as it is the one that most gamers will know it as.

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Some people (after the issue was forum shopped to editors less familiar with the subject matter). Not all people. There's nothing even close to a "Knowledge (XXG) wide consensus" on this issue. --

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Just having a quick look around there are some Stubs that can easily be bumped up to Start - I know that's just moving the problem but at least it'll leave the stub class with only stubs in it. -

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I count two reverts by two anonymous users, with a relatively stable level on the article otherwise. This isn't the level of vandalism or edit warring that admins will protect for. In any case,

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As I have been saying, I am politely asking for you to wait until someone who knows Chinese searches Google and determines how notable this game is in the Chinese language. In particular, see

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Seems obvious to me, though there's a very good reason never to use it -- such templates are supposed to be able to be eventually taken out. This one simply can't be, so it shouldn't be used.

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I don't believe those fall under reliable sources either. Really, there needs to be some sort of published source that talks about these or they assert nothing short of a keen fan interest.

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is a featured list. The reason why the list is a list (as opposed to merely a category) is because it has release dates, game names in multiple regions, and publiser/developer information.

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I came across this today. Is this really needed? It's just a list of NES game serial numbers. While it appears to be sourced fine, it doesn't seem that notable for an article in my opinion.

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route, although that may be no bad thing seeing as it's mostly the same contributors each time, why shouldn't the willing pick a subject that they want to work on with the help of others. -

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The Wii Points are relevent to each game, as much as even the ESRB rating. There has also been no consensus to remove them, and it's not a price guide (so it doesn't violate any WP policy).

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You're just re asserting your position, there is no evidence of thorough discussion or concensus on WP:VG. Each template is treated as its own, guidelines for other infoboxes do not apply.

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No it does not, one could perhaps argue about it being a statistic list thats low on content. But unless I am mistaken the list is examples of the policy, and not necessarily exhaustive.

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valid titles. It isn't that people are saying, "Brain Age is right, Brain Training is wrong". It's that we're saying, "either is a valid title". And your assertions that Brain Age is only

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You personally proved that it's well-known in north america. You never cited a single policy/guideline that supports taking sales above the established MoS guideline for naming conflicts.

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Pretty much figured on that, since it is more of a novelty item. There were a lot of assertions in there, and just a Google search was coming up pretty blank. Thanks for the assistance.—

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discussion between the disputing parties and add a bit of practical advise to move the discussion on from the constant revert revert revert that has been going on over the past weeks. -

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I support moving the article back, for all the reasons listed above. Redirecting from the correct title to a title with a clarifier is unnecessary in this case, as this is clearly the

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First off, thank you for proving my point. Yes. Nintendo chose not to bother making a dedicated website for Brain Training. However, that business decision doesn't automatically prove

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And another point - first video games losing the main article to the series article. Since it's standard to give the first game the primary title, the following moves should be done:

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Using the proper name for these articles is a good battle - it's hard, if not impossible to get an article moved to a certain region's naming because people are so tilted one way. -

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They need to be merged because they lack out of universe information and the possibility to ever gain more than a few sentences of it. Only one user actively opposes these anyways.

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It's a consequence of neglecting to provide fair-use rationale. Bots are currently tagging such images and they will be deleted within seven days unless a rationale is provided.

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I'm just canvassing for opinions on the following proposal. The infobox CVG template to be fully protected and all discussion about new or altered fields to be carried out on

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policy that even remotely supports the move. Realize that sales and recognizeability are two entirely different things (Not that it'd help, since you've already proven that

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I don't see a problem as long as each individual image has a fair use rationale; to illustration different aspects of a game for example (which is what I tried to show in

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Gaming wikis work differently to Knowledge (XXG). What may be convention on one wiki may not necessarily be consistent with Knowledge (XXG) policies and procedures. --

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archives has taught me, it's that wargames (particularly WWII) essentially defined the strategy genre years ago. Therefore, I think it's wholly appropriate. See also:

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And, I think we're going in circles here. You keep finding different ways to phrase the fact that Brain Training sold more copies, and I keep trying to tell you that

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So far, I haven't found a source as high profile as IGN talk about DKC-Xiang Jiao Chuan (I did find high profile sources talk about, say, Somari and Kart Fighter).

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In the case of Wai Xing, there are people who take interest in illegally ported versions of games (I.E. ported from the Genesis to the NES, as is the case with

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There is an update of content every few weeks. If you think there are any important topics with good articles missing you are welcome to propose them here:

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you were talking about? Which deal with financial success, and don't, at all, address recognizeability? Nor would that, in any event, address the fact that

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In my opinion, this is overcategorization. Many game names differ by country, I don't think categorizing it is very useful. What does everyone else think?

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It's more like "the majority of CVG editors demand NA conformity and will flood votes with their biased perspective" than a "silly article title dispute".

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Rather than cluttering this page with talk about the Infobox, it's probably sufficient to drop in and let people know if a conversation is happening. --

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There are Wikipedians who speak Chinese, hence, this is why I used the Wikiproject China talk page. In a moment, I will also post the request for the

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EDIT: I found more information about pirate homebrews like DKC-XJC, although the ROMs themselves are better sources for possible articles about them.

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Could someone please put some level of restriction on the article, because the edit war over the pissible 360 version is getting out of hand. Thanks.

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Anyways, can people contribute to this to show that these game guide articles shouldn't be allowed? A small number to show a "consensus" is enough.

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similar (public domain) are exempt from explicit fair-use restrictions, but there should still be some reason to have a gallery in the first place.

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won out. Of course if this held true consistenly, then it would be Brain Training and Another Code, but they're not. I'm steering clear of this.

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use them. We have come to a consensus to move the information from a different section in the article to the footnotes of the infobox, just like

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discussion page where there will be a higher volume of the community see the the discussion and therefore a higher level of input.<br\: -->

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Agreed with this. Bumping them up to start requires either an outside assessment or the use of AutoWikiBrowser to autoasses, does it not? --

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articles are nominated there isn't a huge difference made with the article nominated. Basically what I am getting at is I believe that the

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markets for "Brain Age"; not just the US), but that's still marginal when weighed against having two games with entirely different names.

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The general rule is that a 'disambig title' is only needed if there's something at the "main" namespace. So You can't have a title like

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My comment was fully tongue-in-cheek, but I forgot that writing it out doesn't have the same punch as it does when I speak it out loud.

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There is no need to merge, not all articles have it and it is cramming too much into one too big page. The list is big enough as it is.

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Spelling is supposed to be written based on region or writer preference, so maybe writing style and focus are based on the same ideas.--

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seems extranious and PoV. Is it really needed? Especially since there's no annotations one could make on most of it, etc. Thoughts?

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renaming them all to "Training") But, in the meantime, I really think those two games don't play a significant factor in the debate.

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It's also misnamed- Computer and Video Games? Must have fallen through the cracks when everything got renamed to V games only. --

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first off, and then categorize every article into there. Then this current cat can be a subcat of that category. Problem sovled.

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The war has been long, i myself have reverted at least 10 times, but thet`s not the point, thanks for the advice, i shall take it.

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I was thinking that as well, but I think that if there were some form of "Quality control" then that would push it more towards a

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Where's the Knowledge (XXG) wide consensus against Wii points? Even with all the forum shopping, nobody's been able to get it. --

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which is a well known termonolgy in baseball and IMO it is more likely the article someone typing in the term was looking for. --

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I don't think it matters in most cases. In the few cases where it does matter, it should be based on the sales of each region. --

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Besides the Virtual Console list pages (for several countries): there is also the following page that is a download price guide.

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their original systems, which ruins the potential to sort the games as a whole. I am asking for help in resolving the issue. --

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are valid). Stop attributing very glib interpretations of other people's counterarguments. Start realizing that conventions for

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removing footnotes, because it is not an unused field, and the purpose of this field and why it is necessary. Articles such as

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Did anyone notice or discuss this? I think it would be better suited as a task force, but it just sorta appeared yesterday.--

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Could I request that project members who have an interest in the CVG Infobox please go to the project talk page and read the

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maybe we should let Thunderbrand know. After all, it was his baby, and his presence is probably why it made it this long.--

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just consistency. Yes, the european sold 30-50something% more copies than the north american release (I'm hoping you meant

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That's what I was getting at. I get the impression that this template is trying to do what a category is designed for. --

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I have reverted the template to its original (no footnotes) state and protected it, while we discuss on the talk page. --

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I have reverted the template to its original (no footnotes) state and protected it, while we discuss on the talk page. --

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Nevermind this incoherent mess I authored previously, I lost my train of thought and I'll have to rethink my reasoning.

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I consider it different from the case of japanese titles, because japanese titles are (not trying to be sarcastic here)

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Do these even need to exist? Arcade games are video games: so the should only have the video game year category, right?

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upload a shot of the screen before the title screen to see if I can trace the group that claims to have made the game.

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Why not nominate it for the GCOTW? This seems like the kind of topic a broad spectrum of contributors can help out on.

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Let's not. Verify each use of the image in question and see if its existence is justified before doing anything else.

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Oh well, as the man says, goodbye pretty pictures. It's a great way to reduce the Knowledge (XXG) bandwidth bill. --

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Why not look for them in Chinese, TTN? They ARE originally from China. They may be more well known in that country.

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It's not so much about scope as it is about activity; a Project isn't necessary to coordinate one or three editors.

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better known as "Brain Training". You certainly can't prove the latter. Off-hand, I don't know about the former.

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Hahnch, if the PAL title was moved to the "American" title, then you may have good cause to move it back. If the

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Unless they are thinking of taking on other forms of adventure games, like Fighting Fantasy books or something.

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Sounds ok. Then we can use {{Main|Basic Gameplay Mechanics}} in all related articles, for better organization.

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It's going to be hard to find sources online for what looks to be a rather casual game such as this from 1990.

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to pick out details that suggest it's intended for an already english-speaking market? Contrary to how it might

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much as what it's best known as. But even that is really only for really extreme cases. In this case, there are

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and often include speculation, OR, and POV comments and assertions. For example, I've reverted a few edits to

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and didn't find it. Does anyone know if another website exists where they have copies of manuals? I'm stuck.--

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is a quick link to the FAC. Your inputs will help WP:VG obtain another Featured Article. Thanks in advance. —

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Now, I am aware that Nintendo made general anti-piracy notices. I am not sure if specific titles caused this.

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continued to revert without discussing it on the talk page. Long story short, we've been in an edit war. I

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being something else (and I see it was already tried twice...I did it again, as that IS the correct way).

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Kanshuu Nippon Joushikiryoku Kentei Kyoukai: Imasara Hito ni wa Kikenai Otona no Joushikiryoku Training DS

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I do not recall anything "official recognizing their existence" with any of the other pirate carts, even

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NOW, in the case of SDK - Xiang Jiao Chuan, it seems to be fairly known in China, with 1,390 Google hits

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Well, you'd have to gather a lot of links - Here is a google search result (Yeah, quotation marks help)

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I suspected as much, but some users have said things very much like that and meant every word of it. :P

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solution would be for them to bring General Knowledge Training over to north america. I wannit, dangit!

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One has to be careful about not inflaming or provoking editors when doing this, though. Sometimes we

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of MoS's unambiguous passages that explicitly disagree with you? Well, at least it's finally settled.

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want to work with people here, and am always more than happy to change my position when appropriate.

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Brain Training", there would be nothing in the title to indicate which two were from the same series.

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wars way back a few years ago (not that I was there at the time). Anyway, at least according to the

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trump Knowledge (XXG) wide consensus. I've removed Wii points from the article you've mentioned. --

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have official english titles. If the different games were part of a more cohesive series, then that

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that this should be discussed on individual talk pages, but I guess that isn't going to happen, eh?

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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Donkey+Kong+Xiang+Jiao+Chuan%22&btnG=Google+Search

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to talk about this. I have given my reason for adding footnotes, and video game articles, such as

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Leaves me thinking "what's the point?". Can't see any point in having such a category myself. --

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I'm tired of this. Can we just have footnotes like other civilized templates? Thanks in advance!

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so you may want to see that first before you proceed with another one to see why it was kept. --

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the current way should be accepted as default (since nothing new was decided on, yet at least).

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If you'd cared to read the page, it says the reason why it was deleted under "Deletion log". --

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It's a grey area, the emulator is technically legal, but downloading the game itself isn't. --

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Basically, an article for the most basic gameplay mechanics such as saving, game overs, etc. -

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be disbanded?? There does not seem to be very much participation from the WikiProject (besides

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present being exposed to Brain Training in Europe much more than Americans are to Brain Age. -

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Voting can be evil, and it takes a back seat to discussion. I'm supporting Rob on this one. --

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evidence of an english version that's actually intended for native english speakers). If there

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lack a disambig, and the ones that have them have them because they need them - for instance,

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Most, if not all PAL countries have English as an official language, if I recall correctly. -

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have recently started adding information in articles with supposed pirated versions such as

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Those should probably be put up for deletion. They don't seem to assert any real notability

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I actually haven't ever downloaded an emulator before, but are they legal (in the U.S.)?--

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Video games/archive26#Wii Points: to list or to not list?

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for an example.) They are not redundant, and they do not belong at the end of an article.

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Seems that in some respects it's duplicating (badly) what the categories do for us, e.g.

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http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/index/subject.Everyday_life.Computer_and_Video_games.htm

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I've recently seen an edit war over what characters should or should't be redirected to

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is also unlicensed. Yeah, we make articles about unlicensed and pirated video games :)

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Agree. It doesn't need it's own Wikiproject, would be better suited to a task force. -

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supposed to have content? The talk page seems to imply this. Also, it is linked from

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Okey, I understand what you're saying. I'll have it requested for speedy deletion. --

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The only guaranteed slam-dunk way to convince NA editors is titles-wise. That is why

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:What Knowledge (XXG) is not#Not a sales catalogue or price guide

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Are any of them reliable sources that can be cited? If not, it doesn't really help.

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of Virtual Console games %28North_America%29&diff=129378690&oldid=129282310

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ignoring MoS, I really don't know what I can say. I tried. I really really tried.

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was released on a vast number of systems but the article largely focusses on the

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I'd like to see them eliminated, personally. There's a discussion going on here:

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Knowledge (XXG):Templates for deletion/Log/2007 June 9#Template:Moby developer

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It seems like this should really be handled on the talk page for that article.

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Kill it. No need to ask in future, just send things straight for deletion. -

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MoS says it's Brain Age. MoS then reaffirms that it's Brain Age. 'nuff said.

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that needs/deserves one, if you don't want to see this happen everywhere. --

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Er.. it might become more than just screen shots. There's a debate over at

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This edit by an admin clearly states the poll doesn't control the article:

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is inactive. Do you feel that the guidelines here should be reconsidered?

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Man in Black and I seem to have reached an impasse regarding whether the

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I don't see anything on that link...the gallery has no images (does it?)

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Do we archive the closed AfDs, or just take the older ones off the list?

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Regardless of which is chosen (Brain Age, or Brain Training), it really

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if it common opinion that such notices are unnessesary, so'll be it. --

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use footnotes in their infobox. Other infoboxes use footnotes, such as

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Category:Nintendo DS games with different names in Europe and the U.S.

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The efficient way is to start with the list article and only split it

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More importantly, the "General Knowledge Training" article isn't even

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There's a dispute over the title of the sequel - whether it should be

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Various systems have a "system-only games" sub category, for example

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It might not have been the intention, but it might be the result. --

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I think the current discussion for moving the series is below, under

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add my comment that would lean towards not keeping to delete them.

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Hello. I've recently nominated this article as a Featured Article.

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For the record, my sole complaint with renaming Brain Age 2 really

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Thanks man, already have a copy saved so I'll keep it archived. --

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Do Mobygames entries have an edit history like Knowledge (XXG)? -

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You've probably seen the Schools selection of CVG articles here:

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here, off we go for a long and drawn out discussion..." Phew. --

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as an example of the kind of page which needs to be merged... --

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I'm going to reiterate the opinion that unless it deviates from

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making very good points. Please don't view this as a dismissal!)

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Frag-Ops (2nd nomination)

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Manual of Style for China-related articles

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles_for_deletion/List_of_NES_Game_Inserts

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Talk:List of Virtual Console games (North America)#Alphabatize

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Could you cite an example, showing where this is a problem? --

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You don't seem to get it. The MSRP doesn't change. As for the

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relevant, for a few reasons. (But before I get into that: You

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More Brain Training from Dr. Kawashima: How Old Is Your Brain?

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It needs a few references for the bits regarding reception--"

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Hi! I've created a new template with help from code found in

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market to use the Beyond Oasis title is the American one. -

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I actually think both of the articles should be under their

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on April 1, 2007 at 17:19 (UTC). On 23 April 2007 at 11:53,

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encyclopedia? Is it worth? Is it within our right to try?--

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make a difference... but, in this case, it's closer to a

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Have you folks noticed almost ALL screenshots linked to

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Xbox Live Arcade#Xbox Live Arcade games for the Xbox 360

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is where the arcade years are listed now: 1971 to 1999.

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On April 1, 2007 at 15:58 (UTC) we came to consensus in

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particularly notable as a successful or great game? -

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Talk:PlayStation_Portable#System_Software_removal here

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What does everyone think about the image of a tank on

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Can I at least try to get you to agree on something?

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since the second term is close to the baseball term

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Here are some other articles that fit in your list:

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Category:Categories with eleven words in their name

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Spam#mobygames.com

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Could we get something appropriate for this? 175:Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars 125:On a slightly different note, I've brought the 115:and I'd appreciate some help there. Thank! -- 4087:Pirated and unlicensed versions of video games 1846:an article are different from conventions for 1491:Oooohhh, alphabetical order.... I see. :: --> 1252:List of Virtual Console games (North America) 684:until it was unilaterally moved and that the 8: 4250:that, there is no proper way to cover them. 3912:Category:Nintendo Entertainment System games 3683:More category/list fun - Western video games 3453:I totally disagree here. We need to create 2863:Stub class video game articles is very large 18:Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Video games 3976:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Adventure games 3874:List of Nintendo Entertainment System games 3811:Perhaps if more people participated in the 2821:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Adventure games 1085:The previous discussion can be found here: 680:, being that the article was originally at 352:Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day 4906:I agree with most but I would not move of 3987:(a page that should be useful not only to 2298:version because it's the most well-known. 1289:encyclopedic, but these lists are not. -- 498:. In this case, we have two equally valid 453:But, again, this really should be handled 242:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars 213:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars 183:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars 771:with other titles in the series, such as 4491:http://torp.fateback.com/gamesdkxjc.html 3689:List of Western computer and video games 3410:lol, there's a category we can put into 3184:indiscriminate collection of information 2018:Virtual Console game list sort conflicts 1263:Clear consensus my ass. Micro-consensus 4765:original titles without the clarifier: 3646:Ok, these subcats have been nominated. 3326:, and recently added notability tag at 2760:List of Mario series enemies (villains) 2353:What's the purpose of this template? -- 1425:In general such pricing information is 567:be overwhelmingly more popular such as 371:The more notable one seems appropiate. 4990:page, and at this deletion nomination 4534:Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject China 2756:List of Mario series enemies (generic) 1378:games (at least I couldn't find one). 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 5048:if they can see a problem? Thanks. - 4967:Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_CD_Selection 4467:Knowledge (XXG):Notability (software) 2754:I suggest a split into two articles: 2483:Proposal - "Basic gameplay mechanics" 1097:shouldn't be a price guide...period. 831:in all English-speaking countries as 201:Template talk:Infobox CVG § Footnotes 7: 5014: 4691:no disambig unless absolutely needed 4101:Super Donkey Kong - Xiang Jiao Chuan 3396: 3017: 2394: 2179: 2055:is the place to request protection. 1807: 1677: 1551: 1063: 693: 580: 320:Categories for arcade games by years 1156:rubbish, hell, the release date is 541:used or the Queen's English was. - 421:numbers in both markets? (That is, 3301:Specifically, it's redundant with 1081:Video game download prices (again) 1040:If there's one thing trawling the 24: 4146:(other than internet fan sites). 3539:user_talk:Miremare#Categorisation 3535:Category:PlayStation 2-only games 2881:Noted. I'll look into it too. -- 2867:At the latest count (found here: 2557:Dumb question regarding galleries 1508:The Price Is Right (US game show) 1374:. I don't think there is one for 1048:, the game the image comes from. 4270:Knowledge (XXG):Reliable sources 4006:We have a neighbor (apparently). 4004:We found you four days ago; see 3687:Wondering why the project needs 2815:We have a neighbor (apparently). 441:I think that naming consistency 29: 670:Mario Strikers Charged Football 4891:. Some obviously need to have 3242:Category:First-person shooters 2985:I am working right now on the 1: 4789:Missile Command (arcade game) 4115:Well, we have articles about 3970:Hello everyone. 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