Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 8

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games. The use of MobyGames as an external link I think depends on what kind of information and the quality/amount of information they have to offer about the game, person or company. Not every game they have on that site has the same amount or quality of information. It doesn't matter if it doesn't necessarily add anything that Knowledge (XXG) doesn't provide (not IMHO). What an external link should provide is alternate, useful, and accessible source of information. That's it. If it meets that criteria for the game, person, or company then add it. If not, don't. What I think needs to be discussed here (and not confused with) is the need for more references. External links are not references. That's not their purpose. Our video game articles here, no matter how well-written you think they are (with the exception of featured articles) lack references. As the amount of references increases, the amount of these types of external links should decrease - I believe that's a guideline somewhere. My 2 cents anyway.

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procject even had a template for the site for the sole purpose of external links. Do these exist for other game sites? It just continues to baffle me ...that this would be the site of choice. But, I digress. My opinion appears to be in the minority and I respect that. I love working on this project (and all of Knowledge (XXG)); there are far more noble and time-worthy duties to perform around the 'pedia to spend any more time quibbling over this minor issue. While the reason this conversation spawned was what I still classify as linkspam, I will not remove any more External Links to Moby from game articles. I do, however, urge everyone to check facts they get from Moby (or any game site) against 1 or 2 other sources before inserting them into an article. Happy wikkying! --

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screenshots taken themselves or others if it fits in with the fair use rationale, these go into the "game-screenshot" grouping. I don't see why wikipedia should bend over backwards providing multiple choices for game-screenshot rationale. Flick through a gaming magazine, you find screenshots there from the title screen, cinematics and gameplay, you don't need a separate rationale for each one. They all fit into the "game-screenshot" grouping, why increase the redtape and bureaucracy involved in copyright and uploads, as if it didn't exist already. -

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not improve wikipedia. I mean, Flipkin is a newsposter at MobyGames for example. Is it OK for someone to constantly and only insert links to a commercial entity into Knowledge (XXG)? And if MobyGames was purely a bastion of computer games information, why do they stamp all their images with the MobyGames logo in the corner? Why not just install put in some anti-hotlinking code and let others use their freely contributed images? -

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to that site add nothing to the Knowledge (XXG) articles. I also consider adding the same link to 200+ articles in a such a short time span to be link spam. In response to the reference problem - yes I completely agree - it is a problem and we need to nip it in the bud. Although its not just a video-game article problem, its a problem across all of Knowledge (XXG) unfortunatly. --

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that someone had cleaned up the bits larsinio missed out, so reverted those as well. We've had the infoboxes with the darker blue shade since almost the beginning of the cvg infobox, and I think it works. It's good to have the colour distinction between the 2 columns, it makes it clearer. With a lighter shade like larsinio suggested, the box fields seem less distinctive. -

2471:— I'd appreciate it if someone could copyedit the article, as I'm sure I've made some mistakes in there somewhere. Also, I'd like someone to help with the objections about the images. I think a shot of the close-up of Link's pained face when he puts on one of the transformation masks (Zora perhaps?) would both illustrate a transformation and show that 1947:. I generally try to write an article the same way. Giving some brief intro, followed up bvy a stage list and weapon list, usually detailing what is new to this game in the series (im rather very detailed on the MEtal Slug games), a couple of trivia items if possible. Impact is usually hard to tell, unless a game is absolutely horrible like 2713:

thinking that it might be a good idea to split off that part of the page into a style guide (I hesitate to say Manual of Style) or else create a separate style guide that goes into greater detail. To stay somewhat on topic, I've consulted MobyGames in the past when writing articles, which is why I usually include it as a link. --

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and it was very dark, so the characters were hard to see and the backgrounds were muddy, then uploaded it. It makes the game look bad, not good. The publisher or developer then has copyright law on their side when they object to the image and demand its withdrawal. Once their lawyers are involved they

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asked for etc. One thing I have noticed though ..ther have been some articles listed on there for months. We really need to work at improving them and getting them out of that template and getting new articles listed on there so they can more easily be brought to the attention of the Project members. --

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Maybe we should make a division between screenshots that are released by the studio for promotional purposes and screenshots that are taken and released by other entities. This might be undesirable because it'd be easier to spot non-legitimate claims of fair use but it might be desirable for the same

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I don't have the time to read all this, but it appears to me that there are a lot of advocates of mobygames.com trying to, well, infect every computer or video game related article with a reference to that more or less notable database. The actual extent of that link spamming in the English wikipedia

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Right, as mentioned above, the original reason for this discussion was linkspam. Whhile I stand by what I did, I most-likely will not do it again because 1) it took forever and 2) the majority here seems to approve of moby links - and Freklefoot has made some good points. I think we can probably move

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Some MobyGames entry are dreadful, but MobyGames entries get updated continually. Just because when you link to it it sucks, it doesn't mean it always will. We have the same situation here on Knowledge (XXG). How often have you included a wikilink to an article which was just a stub even though it

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This is straight up link spam. This is basically all this user does. Today, I have corrected around 100 edits that added nothing but a link to Mobygames. Looking at his contribution list, there may be a few hundred more. I contend this is blatent advertising and linkspam, and poor linkspam at that.

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I agree. I had to deal with such nonsense regarding the overzealousness of image placement in the KOF articles recently. However, he, being an admin, makes such actions unaccepttable, any more so (due to his administrative status), and not discussing deletions and blanking over a concensus with other

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It's been moved off the COTW template and consigned to the "inactive" category. Is it dead? Is anyone here willing to carry it on? I had been looking to nominate a few things for that, but I wouldn't want to administer the whole thing, yet. But if enough people here are willing to put effort into

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First of all, I agree the chance of this issue raising any actual objections from rights holders is very low, so this discussion is more about theory than pragmatism. In that context, in my hypothetical situation above the rights holder could claim protection under section 4: "the effect of the use

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If the screenshot accurately represented (and positively displayed) the look of the game the risk of a publisher or developer raising an objection is very low: publishers want screen shots widely distributed as a matter of principle. An example of something risky: Say that someone did a screen grab

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My 0.05€: I'm not complaining. Yes, Moby has shaky quality at times. Yes, they have obscure shit cataloged, which is a very very good thing. They have rather nice bunch of game credits listed up, which is ruleful. Yes, if you think the entries suck there, you can contribute (I've contributed to both

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It's not commercial. Yes, MobyGames has ads, and I already gave my thoughts on that above. I'm sure the admins of the site aren't making a goldmine off the stipend they get for including those ads. Whatever they get probably just covers the cost of keeping the site up and running (I'm making some

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While I have stoped removing links, awaiting the outcome of this discussion I really don't have anything else to add now and stand by my previous comments and convictions about Moby Games: Moby articles are extremly uninspiring and lacking and often have incorrect information. The presence of links

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That's true. To help, I think we need to expand the guidelines section of the Wikiproject page and say something about references, including a suggested method for referencing an instruction manual, good sources to look for CVG information, and other such CVG peculiarities. For a while now I've been

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Generally the wikipedia articles have more information. Mobylinks are good for some things like developers, or game covers and shit like that. But not really for informative content. Nevertheless, i dont think it can be constituted as linkspam, and i have no problem keeping mobylinks on the articles

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is one of my better articles, but even then, I've put up a todo list up of things I couldn't find or get a good source for. But I think all the main contributors to the project do try and write proper encyclopedic articles about the respective games, it's just that a lot of people, passing fans etc

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publish and archive their European software charts online of the past few years, and I have emailed them for information on previous years which they have supplied. But they won't supply the number of units sold, I was told that that kind of information is only available to the publishers. I don't

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is a "clueless newbie," considering he has been wiki a admin September of this year. While I agree that there should not be "excessive" screenshot galleries in any article, I also agree that there should be discussion prior to removal. I think there was good intention here, it just caught us all by

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than some semi professional website review which to be honest, most people don't care about anyway. And on any computer gaming FAC from now on, I'll vote oppose until mainstream reviews are cited. I know it's nigh on impossible to find a review for some 1994 SNES game, because everything is out of

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The color of the infobox has been brought up before by.. Fredrik I think. At that time I said I didn't care. At this point, I still don't. Purple is fine, but I don't think we need all that color. For my tastes, purple is somewhat distracting and doesn't really blend well. That's why I opted for the

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Heh, don't worry about it. No, I just thought that the purple looked good. I mean, I've worked on a few CVG articles of late, and always liked the infobox the way it was. Larsinio's original change meant that some boxes had 2 colours in and kind of looked stupid, so I reverted it. I then spotted

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We should keep in mind that there are two kinds of "promo" screenshots: those that have been retouched and those that are straight screen grabs (which normally need to be brightened to match the actual look on a TV due to the dulling effect normal with screen grab software). The retouched ones may

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OK, I've said above that I don't really mind links to MobyGames, and I don't, some are useful. But it's objectionable when users log into Knowledge (XXG) just to insert MobyGames links into every article. Sure, we should assume good faith, but it just seems that they want to promote MobyGames and

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As far as I know you can add and remove articles from that template till your hearts content! I've done so several times in the past and never been met with any opposition. Of course, add articles in the proper section and only remove articles once they have been properly dealt with - copyedited as

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I think we should have two collaborations a week: one that is a particular game or game series, and one that is related to gaming (genre, company, console, series, gamepad, etc). Also we've been having several COTW's that wind up winning but no one really does anything to them (this week's The Urbz

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Yes, they are mainstream. But just as pitchfork and theonion AV guide are, their reviews don't hold the significance and respect that long running established magazines like NME and Rolling Stone. Gamespot and IGN may be gaining in relevence now, but compared with the print magazines I mentioned,

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I was wondering if anyone here has a large backlog of gaming magazines that they could pull review quotes and scores from? Whereas with current games we can farm quotes and scores from Metacritic, it's the older games that Metacritic doesn't cover that we need a wikipedian's magazine collection to

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This argument cannot be made as it would be a simple fact that the company has either released that screenshot or they haven't. If the suspicion is raised and the uploader cannot show a good source, the image will be deleted or moved into game-screenshot. It's not that big of a deal I don't really

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Thanks. The footnotes field is -always- misused so that's why we've never implemented it. It usually ends up being a huge block and defeating the purpose of the infobox, so I really object to adding the field. The "(s)" deal has come up before - if the WikiProject wants it changed, then I can live

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I haven't been that active on Knowledge (XXG) for a while -- I'm getting settled in after a move, and my new job leaves me with less free time -- but I'm trying to get back into things. I was sad to see that this new venture had died in my absence, so I've pruned the nominations and overhauled the

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and others (which I can't remember). They were all rejected because they were commercial, even if they had some "free" content. We decided that links to MobyGames were fine since the site is not commercial. Yes, it does have advertisements, but I really don't find them objectionable. AAMOF, I

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I remember having this discussion, but I can't find what I said then. I frankly don't care. MobyGames, in my opinion, isn't any worse of a source than Knowledge (XXG), which like Knowledge (XXG) (not to blast it) I would only use as a starting point in research on a specific topic - in this case,

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I have reverted somewhere between 20-40 of these today by the same user as mentioned above. These links add NO USEFUL CONTENT. The "game summaries" that these links point to are extremly short, poorly written, and in some cases include incorrect information. This can also be seen as advertising

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You're absolutely right leigh. There are too many articles submitted by fans of the game which don't read like articles at all, but snippets from a game manual, or even worse, a poorly worded walkthrough by a guy from gamefaqs who completed the game on easy. When I write an article, I do try to

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perceived by the public. Obviuosly breakthrough games like SMB3 or Doom are easy, but Rayman wasn't the most popular game at it's time, but getting a verifiable source to document a comment such as that is the tricky part, and the reason most games don't have information like that on their page.

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We've been in this situation before, where one user ignores consensus (and a simple fact) and insists on editing a page to fit his personal beliefs, which he claims are "undisputed facts", much to the consternation of the other editors. If you have been fortunate enough not to see it yet, you're

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If that is truly the case, I would have never come to that conclusion on my own, my brain works differently I suppose. Out of pure speculation, I would have thought that the images the company produced to promote the game would be copyrighted and protected - not for others to use, while amature

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They aren't. The company takes and releases screenshots that they want used to promote the game. Other screenshots that may reflect aspects of gameplay that a publisher doesn't want publicized could fall outside of the fair use standard. They may not, but they don't have the implied consent that

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What the case may or may not have been before Knowledge (XXG) is moot. In regards to "video game credits," if you are referring to facts like the Publisher(s) or Developer(s) of the games, this type of information for most games is readily available on a mryiad of fan/review/community sites, in

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Before Knowledge (XXG) MobyGames was often the ONLY source of this information. Also MobyGames records video game credits. As far as I know it is the only place recording this information. In the game development community this feature is much appreciated as it is typically their only form of

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The majority of the Moby articles are horriby written and as I have already stated, many contain flat out misinformation. I will continue to remove them at the present. They contain no information that cannot be found elsewhere, off of the offical game sites or more trustworthy "fan" sites. --

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And I've had a look at the Blood article before, and no, it's not very good. At all. In my eyes, lists of weapons, levels and enemies just don't make an encyclopedia entry. With an old game like Blood, you're not going to find many sources of reviews and analysis online. The most scant game

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I think it's silly that we would need to go through that whole process to create new stub templates. As if we as a WikiProject can't be expected to have some common sense and create good stub categories. It almost feels anti-wiki to me, and I'm inclined to think that we should just go ahead and

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When it comes down to it, especially rare/older games, sometimes its hard to find information/pictures of them ..and you have get the material wherever you can find it, be it Moby or somewhere else. That I understand, don't get me wrong. Before this conversation took place, I had no idea the

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I think if at the moment we weren't able to get up solid widescale information on a specific game (because of the incredible number of them) game manual type of information would be better then nothing. Also in relativly minor older games it's harder to get a good idea of how it was actually

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So far it seems that everything's got along fine under the assumption that a game itself can be a source. That would be part of the "expertise" of the writers, having played those games. Unless I read wrong the consensus in that debate seems to be flowing towards the same consensus. Its no

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OK, I'm not too sure where this discussion is headed. But here are a few pointers. Game companies release official promo shots for the gaming press and fansite packages, these are fine under either the "promotional" or "game-screenshot" grouping. Anyone can also upload a limited amount of

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and had no success. Metacritic also only point out a small snippet of text, and whereas the snippet is a good summary, it doesn't provide you with much depth. Having users with magazine collections would just be another bonus to any article, and would lift wikipedia up above metacritic and

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I think the MobyGames links need to be evaluated on a case by case basis. In some cases the links provide supplemental information that is not covered by the article, but in other cases, the links are basically devoid of any information. To just blindly add or remove all such links without

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addition to offical websites for the games/game companies (if they exist). As far as images go, I try to get them whereever I can - to find the best, most clear pictures that depict important content/aspects of the game and they are typically never from the same site twice in a row /shrug.

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Before I joined Knowledge (XXG) I think there was a LONG discussion among the then-active editors and as I understand it they settled that the ONE link that would be OK in each article would be to Moby. I agree Moby is often flawed, but it does have a lot of data available nowhere else.

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Oh I see. Yes, looks dead to me. I'd offer to help, but most of my involvement in even the GCOTW ends up being copyediting and filling in links (which of course I am willing to do wherever) because I don't know lots of the games that get nominated well enough to write content.

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Since when does a screenshot have to be part of an official "promotional" pack for the game? Gaming magazines etc all take their own screenshots for the game which they deem fair-use, why not wikipedia? Personally, I think that there are too many of these {{things}} anyway. -

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screenshots that I could take of a game would be free for me to use ..shots of a particular game save that is unique to me etc, not the other way around. Where can I find an "offical source" that states this type of policy? I'd like to be able to refer to it. Thanks! --

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Yeah, I like metacritic. But it would still help if we have a list of people with print review "libraries" to source from. I mentioned metacritic above, but these collaborative review services have only been around for a few years, I mean, I tried looking for reviews of

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Ah, sorry, missed the ref to Metacritic upthread. Game Rankings has listings for Kingpin and Avenging Angel btw. But I take your point, it would be a useful resource. It might also be worth checking local libraries to see if any of them archive back issues of gaming

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is actually David Berk, one of the owners of the website. If this is true, the failure of this user to disclose his interest in the site makes me question his edits and the edits of others concerning MobyGames. This rampant linking seems a lot like self promotion.

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I suggest a 'Distributor' field be added to differentiate between groups publishing a CVG (including IP owenership, advertising, paying the developers and probably more that I can't think of), and groups merely producing boxes or providing bandwidth for it. Anyone?

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Hello there. I have a question about existing CVG stub templates. There are two types of stub templates for games, by genre and by company. Are you people of CVG Wikiproject OK with this? I mean, if there is, say, a platform game from Konami, it can be marked with

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recognition. Additionally images are MobyGames are either original ( if you could use such a word ) scan or screen captures. Meaning they do not accept images taken from other sites. You will typically find images not available elsewhere. Check out the

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for improvement. This would require at least a small team to rewrite and organise, and would require comments from others. It's not a project that I'd like to take on my own, but personally, I don't think the main article on computer games is any good. -

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If this were to proceed, eventually there will be a screen that one user feels is promotional while everyone else thinks that it is a normal capture, and then we'll have a nice long edit war and a multi-page discussion, all over a not-very-useful template

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Yeah, they look awful on small scale and weren't designed to be used on that small scale. And if left big, enough they, um, steal the show. And if you start cropping them, we might as well ask what's the point of using images at all, since they aren't the

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The quality on Moby is inconsistent. Some are OK, some aren't, but things like the link to Moby games on Kingpin were just pure advertisment. Literally, box shot, 4 lines and big adverts for the game. But the thing is, we have a template for this at

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This is the current GCOTW. Some consensus is needed on the table design, so that we can proceed with actually filling the data. It would be best if this was done soon, so as to leave enough time on the collaboration for actually filling the table.

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talk about the games ideas, functions and features which make it stand out from others in their genre. I write about their general backstory, but don't break it up into needless minutae describing each character in a broken bullet point format.

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review in, which happens to be online. However, not every review seems to make it, so if a review you need isn't there, you can msg me. And if you have any magazine collections that you wouldn't mind referencing, you should list them here. -

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A good article on a computer game should have a section on critical reaction to it. People must agree with this right? However, as I pointed out in a FAC for a music single, all the reviews were from random online source, whilst ignoring the

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Hey; I don't work on gaming articles, but I'm dropping by to offer a suggestion. When I look up video games on Knowledge (XXG), I'm often less concerned about how to perform all the moves, or what all the special items are, than I am about:

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I thought the Stub-sorting project was merely advisory, and that any Wikiproject could make whatever stubs they want. They'd just like you to let them know first for naming suggestions, but letting them know after the fact is okay, too. -

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habitually tune out ads within web pages whenever I encounter them. Sometimes they're bothersome, but they really don't register with my psyche. And the ads are NOT pop-ups. If they were, I'd object strongly to linking to the site.

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magazines, although I stopped buying them about 3 years ago, still I have a backlog of a good few years in there. However, PC Zone has one of the greatest websites of a gaming magazine, they actually archive their reviews. On the

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Personally this should have been discussed prior to just removal. Screenshots have been argued in the past and everytime a general consensus is that they're okay to use. Excessive amounts of fair use images is the problem here.

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Indeed. Also gathering from previous discussion, he's in cahoots with User:Borgqueen, and they're blanking and removal of images without discussion of concensus and disregard for articles is troubling. Perhaps a nomination for

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and other video game featured articles are obviously what I would like to see the game articles look like. On the other hand, listing weapons, stages, characters is usually (I think) somewhat important to the overall article.

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I know that Xenosaga lists may have somewhat detailed plot explanations, but do you feel that detailed plot summaries and whatnot are not appropriate for the characters/events of Xenogears? I'm really torn on this issue.

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We should have two categories IMO. gameplay screenshots (which include titel screens, menus) and pre-rendered screenshots. Cinematics that occur with in-game renders would be gameplay. Maybe somethign like the following

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yea sorry about that. I got all excited from the console cvg template.I think we shoudl have that conversation.. I think purple is a weird color to choose as a template that is gonna be on like 10000 pages. But thats me

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It's fine if the screenshot template is deemed sufficient, I don't have a problem with that. This is just an idea I had and I thought it might help out with some people blanking screenshots. Thanks for your replies. :)

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In that case, what would people think about having the dead IDrive merged with the COTW? So instead of just having stubs qualify for the COTW, we can have big articles qualify. Because I was thinking of nominating

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requirements. Whether those screenshots come from the publisher or are taken by users is irrelivant. In any case, I don't think we should be tagging screenshots with {{Promotional}}. {{game-screenshot}} is fine.

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I realize that these are somewhat subjective criteria (and require more critical thinking than simply listing all the levels in the game), but it's entirely possible to address these concerns in a NPOV way. The

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If it would make sense to add more, and they were to be used in infoboxes, picking a decent size will be a bit tricky since ESRB/CERO/PEGI ratings are all in similar boxes, whilst ELSPA will just look weird:

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article, for example, includes the intriguing (but unsourced) blurb that it's "the best game that nobody ever played," and follows up on that in the "development history" and "social commentary" sections.

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I went ahead and made the changes and unprotected the template until the changes get ironed out. One thing I don't really like is how the column bar moves depending on the information in the box. Example:

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If Cyberskull can remind us here when he is done, lets reprotect it and add it to the template section in protected pages (where it wasn't listed currently). It shows up on a ton of pages. Do you agree?

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I fixed the "Release date(s)" field so it doesn't line-break. Are all the plurals ("(s)") really necessary? The footnotes field was just a "catch-all" - something to help for the one-off cases. --

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reason. Does anybody think this is a good idea? It might be a good way to quiet down those who blank all screenshots, but then it could get a lot screenshots determined not fair use and taken away.

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section though. I looked at a few articles listed there; they were stubs, but I was expecting to see the {{expand}} template. Shouldn't an article have a request for expansion to be listed there? --

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On the other hand, the whole lot of CVG stubs is sitting nicely in the subcategories (with ~130 articles in the main category), which may be due to combined use of genre and company templates.

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considering the quality of the information contained within is a bad approach. By the way, I'm suspicious that the person or persons adding these links are somehow associated with MobyGames.

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Well, since I was asked for it, here's my $ .02 and some history. In the recent past, we discussed which links were acceptable and which were not. Several sites were bandied about, such as

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different than an article about a movie or book summary. A lot of the information comes from the publication itself. (BTW videogames are legally recognized copyrightable documents/works)--

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What do you guys think of the Xenosaga articles/lists? I'm still in the middle of cleaning them up and all (still a lot of work to be done...and I don't even want to get into Xenogears!).

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and generally just make it nicer to work with. The new version still hides all the optional fields, and I even added an optional "footnotes" parameter - just in case it's needed sometime.

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is once again a featured article. It could still benefit from some image work if anyone wants to help tie off some loose ends, but it looks pretty good — thanks to everyone who helped. --

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that should be of interest to this wikiproject. It's regarding the verifiability of content found in video games. This has also become an issue in the candidature for featured article of

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In any case it might be a good idea to go through the list of participants and see which users are still contributing to CVG articles and which are not. The list is getting rather long.

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Going through the CVG stubs, I'm coming across a lot of articles that I can't put into any stub categories. Most of them are articles pretaining to software and computer code, such as

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Yeah, all of them look quite different. I don't really mind. It kind of "personalizes" each one, you could say. I dunno about the mario golf thing. It wouldn't hurt to give it a link.

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MobyGames and Knowledge (XXG), was just about as much pain). All in all there are worse sites to link to, MobyGames has ocassionally great stuff in it, so no, I am not complaining. --

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I'm not seeing what you're talking about. Its on the collaboration template as gaming (stubs), and on the WP:GAMES template I use on my userpage...and is currently some Sims game. --

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Well yes, that is just common sense :) (still wondering if game publishers ever make offical statements regarding this), but I tend to agree with the statement below by Jacoplane. --

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MobyGames is well respected within the professional game industry. Just look at developer's "rap sheets" and you'll see that many developers contribute that infomation (and photos).

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not reflect how the screens actually look and are journalistically "suspect"; the straight screen grabs are widely accepted by journalists as meeting their criteria for accuracy.

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Since the main template is protected, one of the admins among you will need to copy that code into the live template. If you have any problems, please feel free to contact me. --

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was fine. I don't know what brought this on. They should have, at the very least, cited some sort of policy/discussion with screenshot images prior to removal - but they didn't.

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I was thinking we might remove the list altogether and simply ask users to add a category to their userpage. That would remove the clutter from the project page. I've created a

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Yeah, I have a large number of EGM issues, all the way back to November 1999, uninterrupted. If anyone wants me to look up a review, ask me as well and I will be glad to help.

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I dunno. It was only vandalized once and the reason for protecting it was because it is a "high-risk template". Only one count of vandalism doesn't really make it high risk.

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spam. Its link spam, its not useful, its just clutter. At this point I encourage other editors to remove them from the gaming articles as they come across them. Thanks! --

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is blanking and removing all screenshots from videogames articles, he balnked Playstation and Xbox articles. The argument is screenshot is not compilant with fair use.

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Personally, I think it should be just plain blue and white. Or just white. That way, no one argues over the colors and its a neutral decision. What do you all think..?-

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did the game links have redirects in the first place..? Its extremlely lazy, and if people are going to do that, you shouldn't make the links at all. Also, about the

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How useful are links to MobyGames? What if a user was purposely putting links to MobyGames in every page he visits? I'm saying this because every contribution of

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Im not sure we need many more company stub templates. I've been reducing the stub count in the cvg-stub category recently and I have rarely used company templates.

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That's an idea. Shame a div would be a bit more work than I can be arsed to do (to make it line up properly), so as to be able to give it a decent border too :P --

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Template:Gamebox contents to be exact. I never really looked at it in depth before - I didn't know it was that manual, there's some out-of-date stuff on there! --

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Yeah, it makes sense. It's just that there are a ton of video games out there and it will take time to get them all up to a good standard, I guess you could say.

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probably remembers it -- maybe we can find the archive to see the issues that were raised so we can learn from their debate. I'll put a note on his talk page.

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about this, and add company templates to the stub types list. If not, some action like replacing all company templates with the genre templates may be needed.

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be longer than the words "Release date(s)" and the entire infobox will never be more than 22em on any particular article. I don't understand this concern. --

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If a game is not particularly notable, or just one in a whole group of similar games, then that's still information that I think the reader should be given.

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As far as I am aware, a screenshot is a screenshot, regardless of its origin and all (un-altered) screenshots belong to the same fair-use category. --

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In my mind? Yes. Most of them can be filed under platform, action, fict, adventure-cvg-stub, etc. I would like to see what other people think though.

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It wasn't right, but it's working now. :-) Seeing as there can be a distributor but no publisher, should we make the publisher field optional? --

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Please, don't put any nowrap in infoboxes. It leads to all sorts of layout problems. Long strings will stretch out the box far into the article.

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You mean like creating a tag such as {{game-promotional-screenshot}} or something? Although we file promotional screens under {{promotional}}.

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If a screen is promotional and you feel like that gives you a stronger fair-use case, why not simply mention it in your fair-use rationale? --

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And I'm sure it doesn't hurt that they have an aritcle about you there ;) *runs and ducks* (I'm just teasing, this is sound reasoning). --

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I habitually refer to MobyGames when researching an article for a video game article. It doesn't always have an entry for a game, but it

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upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." This is the usual basis for the (rare) hassles that happen online.

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Purple would be acceptable if the bright fields were changed to white or bright purple and the borders were changed to dark purple.

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I don't think we should use promotional either. We should make and use promotional-game-screenshot if something like this happens.

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deserved a nice, long, juicy article? Do you forgo the wikilink because the linked-to article wasn't long enough for your tastes?

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Recently I have been going through the cvg stub category and sorting them to more specific ones. The hardware one will do nicely.

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Also, what's up with the cell width? It seems to be split down the middle, which is wasting space and screwing up alignment. --

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screenshots addresses both issues: you know they won't tick off the rights holders, and the copyright permissions are clear.

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I've been wondering if this project should cover game series templates. I've noticed that there isn't no formal guideline -

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My 2¢: I don't care what website is linked to (for the most part) as long as that link is relative and valid information.

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stars Mario. Should NES Open Tournmant Golf be mentioned in the template, as a side mention, or not even listed at all? -

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with that, but until it's discussed again, I'd rather just leave it for now. I guess the same goes for the footnote field.

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Sigh, I guess we all knew this was coming. Please help improve the article, as I'm likely to insert extremely POV edits :(

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I could go on, but I hope I've made my point. I link to MobyGames and will keep doing it. It's an invaluable resource.

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for Indigo Prophecy. I do have to admit the game descriptions are not up to the same quality level as Knowledge (XXG).--

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Having previously gone through the 2000+ CVG stubs myself for this purpose, I salute your efforts and will join in too.

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company-released screenshots do. We are very safe using those; others I would not expect to be challenged but could be.

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the game's place in the overall history of its genre, or of gaming in general - what innovations it created or improved

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Can we add articles into the infobox on the front page without asking permission of some sort? I'd really like to add

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article, but I'm yet to do the rest of the games. Would appreciate any comments that people have on the article(s).

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I know that these are fairly trivial, but I feel it would make sense to agree before going and doing it wrong. --

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hassle a website about other images, so the community sees that they defend their copyrights. Sticking to the

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Personally, I'll keep adding MobyGames links to any computer/console game entries which lack them. Here's why:

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for 1994 (I think), but whether it's wise to put up a review from an "official" magazine is another factor. -

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create any stubs that we as a WikiProject feel are necessary. Well, not really, since that would go against

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was just one in a group of "single-screen collect-the-coins avoid-the-enemies platformers" (like, I dunno,

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I add small flag icons myself. It's easier to understand, adds colour, and breaks up the text nicely:

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and the image would then properly sort with it's PAGENAME. I've already tagged my FF uploads with it.

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But things like sales figures, critical reaction can be hard to find, especially with older games.

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unlocked? I have some revisions I wish to make to it, and I don't know the channels to go through.

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I would support making the Publisher field optional. That would also make more sense for games in

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He means in the CVG project infobox that is on the main project page on the right hand side. --

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than in the individual game articles (or elsewhere) is utter nonsense. Regardless of quantity.

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MobyGames usually has full credits for games, which most other sites don't have (us included).

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Actually, most just don't list a region. If not listed, it's about 99% of the time NA anyway.

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to the main article for some sick reason. Please, guilty gear experts, could they construct a

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This still needs to be decided, I say have a vote until January 1st. I vote for white/grey. --

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Is there an official way to putting release dates in the infobox? I usually do it this way:

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MobyGames far outstrips the 'pedia in number of and quality of screenshots (for the reason

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Made some corrections and expanded it some. I don't think it was POV -at least your edits.

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wikibook. I cleaned it up a little, and I'll try doing some more in the future if I can.

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The idea that we have a weaker fair use case for screenshots of PS2 games in the article

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page in case there is any interest in starting it up again. If not, then no harm done. --

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Why can't we just put everything into the game-screenshot category as we do already? -

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does. If so, it has release dates, publisher info and other data which is invaluable.

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Is that wrong because the region is in small text? Is the one below the correct way?

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Any screenshot taken from a game can be fair use, as long as it qualifies under the

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Well, that's the kind of thing I was doing with the iDrive anyway, having nominated

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might as well settle the issue, unless anyone else has any other color schemas... --

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or something), that information would be useful to have. Obviously the article for

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video game article, someone sems to have loafed again, and made a useless link for

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When release dates are given for multiple countries, I use the second instance. –

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I've made a start with cleaning up and standardizing these games. I've created a

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I usually go with the second one. I don't think there is a "wrong" way to do it.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Can anyone with time help out with some wikibooks about games. Some examples:

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I'll look them over, and if anyone would like to, they could add some to the

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i'd also like to ask qabout a particular template. I recently created the

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with better rendering and the ability to play kick heads, then say so. If

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Please get back to me on what way you think is the proper way. Thanks. --

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No problem. I'm already working on overhalling the SNK articles anyway. -

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I don't really mind what color, but I prefer the bluish color it is now.

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Indeed, though most of the CVG featured articles do it the second way. «

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character page and have added individual articles for each game. BTW,

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images then, just the cropped ones - we could achieve better results

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Valve and EA and Introversion and Pinnacle off the top of my head. --

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different shade of gray when I came up with the console infobox (see

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I have been working on several video game series, most notable the

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So should we just leave it alone for now, or possibly have a vote?

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I wouldn't really mind. As long as it is optional its OK with me.

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Sounds good, been thinking of this very thing myself...I like the

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If nothing else works, cite a walkthrough or three from GameFAQs.

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I've made a simple template for tagging game media to a category,

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You'd probably be better off nominating specific articles here:

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I just removed some out-of-date entries. I'm confused about the

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I've posted a temporary version of the Infobox_CVG template at

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Can't email TheDotGamer because they didnt specify an email.

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I created a new hardware stub template. hardware-cvg-stub.

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For a while I have been wondering where did these two go:

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So, what's your view? If it's all OK, I'm going to inform

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basically, why I should or should not care about the game.

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I think it is pretty much dead. No one really updates it.

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print, I don't care, if it's a FAC, it should be special.

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Fredrik you want to draw up a sandbox of what you mean? --

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I changed it. I think the cache needs to update first...

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I like the purple. But yeah, I don't really mind either.

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assumtions here, but I think I'm probably pretty close).

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know the deal with the American software charts, run by

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is a link to MobyGames. I spotted him when he added a

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into there as it has been marked for cleanup for ages.

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Category:WikiProject Computer and video games members

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This is a bit much. -- 1981:Bill & Ted's Excellent Game Boy Adventure 8: 2386:Should they be eliminated completely, then? 18:Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Video games 3595:— categories like this should be plural. -- 1014:, and others. Should we create a new stub? 1872:how it was popularly/economically received 2193: 2177: 1951:, or it is the first game ofthe series -- 1438: 2479:games. Thanks to anyone who can help. -- 574:Same guys seem to be in dispute over at 1996:should include lots of comparisons to 435:I've been using the meta-review sites 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 314:I personally have quite a backlog of 7: 3408:think anyone would fight like that. 3531:Knowledge (XXG):Missing Wikipedians 972:Family Entertainment Protection Act 884:Verifiability of video game content 277:Critical reaction in computer games 2460:The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 2341:, or both. 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