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very short wagons and small radius curves. I thought that was the reason for the (industrial) adjective. I'm fairly sure most Americans would describe these as diminutive railways, but I would value your description of the types of facilities a Briton (or Australian, Canadian, or New Zealander) might describe as either tramways or railways. I would aim for an article covering a single subject identified by different names. I would strive to include relevant description of the boundaries of the subject. I suspect there may be some firm, but divergent opinions about how to differentiate an industrial tramway from an industrial railway, but I hope to avoid controversy about which of those names might be preferable.

2017:. The name relates to iron working and was very common for many centuries. The best biographical references are in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography which you may be able to access on line using your public library membership number. The most detailed account of Derbyshire history of the time would be Turbutt, G., (1999) A History of Derbyshire. Volume 2: Medieval Derbyshire, Cardiff: Merton Priory Press. After the line petered out in Derbyshire some indication of its descendants is given in 209: 2774: 1540: 1900: 2197:. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like Germany, Italy, the Benelux countries, Iberian Peninsula, Romania, Slovenia etc, much like 1004:(1844-1927), done in Derby that is notable or what has he contributed to Derby? I looked at their articles and apart from being born in Derby I could find nothing of relevance. As you probably saw I reinserted into the article a little piece about the long distance runner and if these two are really notable to Derby then you would like to get the story into the article and remove them from the list. thanks ( 1083: 439: 2807: 2654: 2566: 2455: 2380: 2307: 2234: 1706: 1311: 2741: 384:

idea anyway ... as in 3-4 years time there may be some extra ideas added by others and the refs added now will indicate which facts Chevin added. I'd also like to add an infobox and some pictures. I realise we are unlikely to find a painting of Robert but you could include pictures of important buildings .... e.g. is there an artist impresssion of Duffield Castle?

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I see you are creating some new articles ... e.g. Hazlewood. If you can get 1500 characters (not words so thats only a couple of paras) of solid descriptive text (ie minus lists, pics, cats etc) then you can get nominated for Did you know. I'd be pleased to help ... it has to be done within 5 days of

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Seeing your work on the Earls of Derby, do you have any recommendations for reading about derbyshire or the de ferrers family? My last name is Farris and we have been trying to do more in-depth genealogy on our family. Seems the name goes back to Henri de ferrers, the norman solider that brought the

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I saw your comment Chevin, and wondered if you could help you to understand ... and others? Several of us understand this project but it comes out of work we were involved with the British Museum last year. Would you mind asking me a few questions and if you feel you understand better than to change

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I noticed that you'd uploaded some fine images from Whishaw's Railways of Great Britain and Ireland, so I thought I'd ask if you know where I can get some other images from that book, specifically tables XIII and XIV, for the Croydon and the Greenwich railways. These are unfortunately not legible in

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Yes the line from Buxton to the CHPR was extended by the LNWR to Ashbourne then to Rocester (I think) where it joined the Knotty. There were regular trains into Derby where the LNWR had a small workshop/office. The line had through trains from Buxton to London. There are one or two books on the line

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The words can be changed of course. We have 5 days usually before it goes on the front page. Before then we need to add in-line citations that allow someone to quickly check that we have support for each idea in the DYK nom. This can be tricky as you only have two refs ... but adding these is a good

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Heinemann, republished 1991 Cromford: Scarthin Book as my reference. It wouldn't be the first time Bygone Derbyshire has plagiarised Knowledge without crediting its source. I'm pretty certain I've lodged a complaint about another article in the past - the one about the C & W Works if I remember

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Americans don't use the term much; but in my visits to some of the more remote parts of the empire, like Malta, Singapore, and Hong Kong, I had the impression a tram was a type of mass transit vehicle. I have seen the term used to describe the smaller narrow-gauge industrial railways -- those with

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I am trying to find someone who knows the exact date the last public passenger service travelled from Ashbourne to Hindlow. After many years of knowing it was somewhere, I have found the ticket that, as a child, I remember being told was for the last train. As I was only 4 at the time, I really am

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Hello Chevin, I am working as the template suggests towards totally removing this list and inserting anything or anyone who has strong ties to Derby into the article. I am removing people who were just born in Derby as this alone doesn't make them noteworthy to Derby. Would you please tell me what

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does it distinguish between the fireboxes in locomotive boilers and those in other types of boiler? And where is the page for the fireboxes of non-locomotive type boilers? Railway people on Knowledge are constantly assuming that the railway locomotive is the only form that the steam engine takes.

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article. Would I be correct in interpreting your comment as a preference to include industrial railways as a subcategory of tramways? One option might be to use subject article's description of early tramways as an introduction for an historical progression to modern standard gauge industrial

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You removed the svg tag from rails.jpg, what information is being presented by the greyscale information in the image which could not be reproduced using an SVG image? Although it is a greyscale scanned image, one could trace over the edges of the image and reproduced the same information, no?

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A question regarding the Oldham, Ashton and Guide Bridge Railway. I work for Oldham Council Highways and we are decommissioning a former railway underbridge by underfilling. We are looking to retain and restore one of the steel parapets. My question is would anyone know of the original railway

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and Dr.Cox's. However for Robert the 6th. earl I found more info in The Oxford National Biography which seems a pretty good source :-) and contradicts W.Bland's account slightly. (It was written in the days when you didn't question your betters - that is those who had been most successful in

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I had been cleaning up the democratic education and democratic schools pages as well as related Categories and I found your page. I had a feeling it had been left in the sandbox by accident seeing as it was pretty thorough and tagged. I hope you don't mind. It's now listed on the

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Well, certainly, but the word tramway was more or less synonymous with plateway, gangway, edgeway, all in one way or another leading to all the modern railways. But the modern kind of tramway, running on the normal highway, is neither industrial nor considered a railway.

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Hi Chevin, long time no see. Please note that to create talk archives, you should use a forward slash "/", so as to create a subpage. I've fixed this with your user talk archive (hope you don't mind): recently a lot of these pages have been deleted. Regards,

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I took the original from Larkin and Larkin and I don't have a copy now. However, checking with Lowe, the whole sentence should have been in the article for Bow works and I have moved it. Cant quite work out what happened, but thanks for pointing it out.

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I inverted the list because I'm working up a diagram for it and already have some done for the Buxton Line and the Derwent Valley Line with north at the top. Thae inversion was a run-up to this (although it will take more time than I initially thought).

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I reverted your removal as no reason given and it fits in the general artile. If your creating a seperate article for the station, just copy and paste it as taking chunks out will leave articles sa stubs with a few links to find the next paragraph. -

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Oh I see you have an article of over 1500 characters! ... much more. Your article about the 6th Earl is very interesting ... I always wondered how the Ferrers lost their influence. I hope you don't mind I have proposed the following DYK "hook"

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which claims for identical text "(c) The AJN Transport Britain Collection 2008" (I assume they copied your text, do you want to tell them ?). Do you have any recollections which sources you used back in 2006 ? Best regards,

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Hi Chevin, great to meet you on Saturday. Hope you managed to get some railway related pictures and information for articles. I have been approached by the National Railway Museum to see what we we can do for them. Interested?

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Thanks for the message on the CHPR - all good stuff, apparently. I note that the info on the extension to Uttoxeter has got lost - I've reinstated only some of it (it did bring through traffic from London for a time I think).

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Thanks for your reply......quote........"I'm not sure how I got the info shown on the page. But it actually gives the closure date for scheduled passenger services as 1 November 1954 and final closure on 7 October 1963."

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Thinking about it, what Brits call a tramway or tramcar Americans know of as a streetcar. There is precise legal definition in UK law described in the article. The sort of thing I'm writing about can be seen in

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Cool, I found the book in Google Books, thank you ! I'll add a reference to that and remove the mislieading Bygone Derbyshire link. And add my findings to External links section. Cheers from Finland,

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not sure if I remember the trip or not. It is dated October 1954, but I won't tell you the exact date so as not to prejudice any reply ! Have you any idea or can you pass me to someone who does?

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where I had to find a way to differentiate between Std gauge {open), Std gauge {closed}, Dual gauge {open}, Metre gauge {open} and Metre gauge {closed} all within the same diagram!

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if you'd like to experiment with test edits. That level of historical detail that's not actually about the subkect of the article is clearly off-topic. Please discuss it on the

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As for another Do You Know - the earliest signs of humans in Derbyshire are from the Paleolithic (probably h. Heidelbergiensis) but again I 've still got to do some research.

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So you go to a Derby match and the first song you hear is "As I was going to Derby, It was on a market day, I saw the finest Ram sir, that ever was fed on hay". No it isn't.

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Sorry! I saw this article arrive and didn't realise it had an induced birth However I have added some wiki stuff and an extra ref and submitted it for DYK. Hope thats OK.

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slaughtering as many people as possible. Even in my childhood there was a strong tendency for people to touch their forelocks). There is an artist's impression of

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Thankyou for your interest. Much of the material I have added to the articles about the various earls of Derby (the original line) have come from W.Bland's book

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Oh and Ive just been trying to find material on John Fowler (the early steam/plough engineer) and ran into a company called chevins ...any relation?

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Because of intervening edits and other complications, I found it easier to just add back the paragraph you wrote about various early

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Is there a citation for this? I'm not aware of the NSR producing any locos for other companies and all NSR locos were gone by 1939.

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I've also asked (on Talk) a question of a sometime-proposed incline up from Wirksworth which was on one of my parents' old maps :-)

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My ticket is dated October 30 1954 (Saturday) so it seems my recall is good, it was indeed the last weekend of pasenger services.

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you put "Originally called Unston until 1908" What was it called afterwards? I don't want to change it if someone knows the answer

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The above article diagram has had a full reworking of the Buxton area. Thanks for the remarks and see what you think!

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I see that there is now a version in the Finnish Knowledge that has a few more refs and pictures ... interested?

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and a ground plan but they may be copyright still. I must perhaps contact the Derbyshire Archaeological Society.

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Hi Chevin, I couldn't find a place with that name either, but the cheese appeared to be of some interest

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This assumption is mistaken. BTW, thanks for pointing out that the disambig needed its link updating.

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Excellent, thanks for the answer, that's another book for me to look at. Thanks again. ---

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company's colour scheme for painting of bridges and structures? Many thanks.

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