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17pdr SP Achilles

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mitigating the weak armour protection of the Achilles as being used defensively usually allowed it to fire the vital first shot. This was in line with the original design concept of the vehicle, intended to blunt German "blitzkrieg" attack tactics. The M10/Achilles turret had an extremely slow manual only turret rotation, a limited tactical disadvantage when the tank was used only in a defensive role. As such, they had an advantage over the German Sturmgeschütz, which had a gun in limited traverse casement. However, the Sturmgeschütz's low profile and heavy armour were significant assets that allowed it to be successful in its different tactical environment. Usually, the only time the British used the M10 and Achilles offensively was in support of
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The armour of the M10 provided good protection against the 50 mm gun mounted on most German tanks and anti-tank guns. The M10 was first made available to the British in 1943. These vehicles were open-topped and mounted a 3-inch (76.2 mm) M7 American gun, which was significantly more powerful than the
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The desire to mount the 17-pounder on the M10 was governed by the degree of difficulty involved in mounting the 17-pounder on the tank itself. Luckily for the British, the initial batches of M10s had an easily modified gun mounting to facilitate the future replacement of the older 3-inch M7 gun with
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Two other material changes were made to the Achilles: the addition of 17 mm (0.67 in) thick armour plates welded to the front and sides of the M10 to increase armour protection, and the M10's open turret was fitted with a 20 mm thick shield to provide protection from overhead threats.
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in Armoured Division or Corps Anti-tank (A/Tk) Regiments . A typical A/Tk Regiment would have 4 batteries, 2 x towed 17 pdr Batteries, 1 x Achilles and 1 x M10 Battery. The M10 Battery was replaced by a second Achilles Battery as more vehicles became available. Perhaps the most successful action of
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As a result, the British used the Achilles as a quickly deployable anti-tank gun, able to reinforce a position taken by infantry and engage counter-attacking German forces while the slower towed 17-pounders were pulled up and dug in for a more long-term defensive presence. This had the advantage of
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The British had planned to convert 1,000 M10s into 17pdr armed variants for Normandy, but for some reason conversions were not started until April 1944. By 6 June 1944, only 124 M10s had been converted; however, the number of conversions post D-day increased and by the end of the year 816 M10s had
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on its long barrel. This gave the Achilles a distinctive appearance compared to the comparatively short-barrelled, brakeless, entirely straight barrel of the M10. Once the Germans discovered the effectiveness of the Achilles' gun on the same M10 carriage as the much less powerful M7 gun, attempts
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The 17 pdr SP Achilles was basically a modified M10, the principal difference being the gun. The main armament of the Achilles was the Ordnance QF 17-pounder, a substantially more powerful gun than the 3 inch (76.2 mm) M7 mounted on the standard M10. The single top-mounted .50 inch (12.7 mm)
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in order to comply with the high-speed requirement for the tank. At the same time, the British had been examining the possibility of designing a low-silhouette self-propelled anti-tank gun, preferably with a 360-degree traversing turret, with armour that would be able to resist the German
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front on. The next generation British anti-gun, the 17-pounder, was able to deal with Tigers and Panthers but had a far longer emplacement time prior to battle than the 6-pounder due to its larger size, often taking a day to fully prepare for action.
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gun fitted to German tanks at 800 yards and mounting the 17-pounder anti-tank gun. However, with the arrival of the M10 on the battlefield in late 1942, British plans for a turreted self-propelled gun were cancelled.
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The 17-pounder mounted on the Achilles was able to penetrate some 140 mm (5.5 in) of armour at 500 m (550 yd) and 131 mm (5.2 in) at 1,000 m (1,100 yd) using standard
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The name "Achilles" was officially a designation applied to both the 3-inch gun and 17-pounder versions (as Achilles I/II and Achilles Ic/IIc respectively) but was little used during the
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meant that many British units went ashore with the standard M10s and that losses in Achilles-equipped units were often replaced by standard 3-inch armed M10s.
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German personnel examine an Achilles of 245 Battery, 62nd Regiment, Royal Artillery, knocked out with three penetrating hits to its turret in Normandy, 1944
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Canada rebuilt m10 at the Montreal Locomotive Works and gave 48 m10 to Denmark and the Netherlands in 1955. They were used in local defense until 1989.
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a small, light gun able to defeat the more common German Panzer IV and Sturmgeschütz with regular ammunition but not the heavier
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As a self-propelled anti-tank gun, both Achilles and standard M10s were distributed to and operated by the regiments of the
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the Achilles was conducted by B troop, 245th Battery, 62nd Anti-Tank Regiment, Royal Artillery attached to the Canadian
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In the wake of Germany's successful 1939–41 campaigns, US armour doctrine had incorporated the idea of fast, lightly
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carrying high-velocity anti-tank guns as the best way to deal with the fast-moving spearheads of the German
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been converted, 152 vehicles in November alone. However, the low numbers at the start of the
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The standard anti-tank gun used in infantry units in the British Army was the
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were made to disguise the 17-pounder by painting its brake and counterweight.
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that was mounted on British tanks of the period and was of equal power to the
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Buckley, J. "British Armour in the Normandy Campaign" Abingdon (2004) p. 171
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An Achilles 17-pdr tank destroyer uses a building as cover in Hassum
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The 17-pounder required a counterweight fitted behind the
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Top-down view of open fighting compartment of the Achilles
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Fisher Tank Arsenal Grand Blanc, Michigan - converted by
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units, which lacked the associated 17 pdr-armed tanks (
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Achilles went ashore on D-Day, equipping units of the
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Self-propelled anti-tank gun
Royal Arsenal
Armour
Ordnance QF 17-pounder
.50 in (12.7 mm)
Browning M2HB
AA
Bren light machine gun
General Motors 6046
6-71
kW
Vertical Volute Spring Suspension
M10
tank destroyer
Ordnance QF 17-pounder
anti-tank gun
3-inch (76.2 mm) Gun M7
Sherman Firefly
Second World War
armoured vehicles
blitzkrieg
M4 Sherman
sloped armour
5 cm KwK 39

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