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Yeah, pretty all stuff i've heard of these guys thus far is definatley not power metal. They aren't black metal, either. Only element from black metal they have is shrieking singing, and as far as im concerned vocal's doesn't really make a genre. So i'm removing power metal from the genre box as they
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Kalevala or old Finnish stories/Finnish culture/Drinking culture. Just because there are swords and shields in the album artwork does not mean it is "Viking". That's what the
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has elements of many genres, not just Viking and folk metal. However, we have to decide which of there are worth mentioning. I have plenty of reliable sources saying thrash metal, power metal, melodic death metal, black metal etc. (some of which are ridiculous). I will give some of you some time
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Jari didn't leave the band, he was kicked out because he requested time off to record a record for wintersun. This happened in 2004 as well, not 2003.
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Who keeps reverting it to just folk and viking metal? It's melo death as well! Very obvious when you listen to it.
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