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2597:"obstructive conditions" ("شروط تعجيزية") of this kind, "which have no basis in the sources of peace authority or international decisions. Although we have already recognized the State of Israel, the demand that we recognize it as a Jewish state is a precondition that cannot be accepted." Abu Mazen explained that accepting the demand would fuel the religious dimension of the conflict (in his words, turn it into a "destructive religious conflict") and endanger the future of Arab Israelis. It also contradicts the logic by which Palestinians receive compensation for the refugee situation. In interviews conducted in 2012 and 2013, Abu Mazen explained that the question of the state's Jewishness is not a matter for the Palestinians, as they are indifferent to how the Jews define their state, and that this is a new condition introduced by Israel. Some argue that the demand for Abu Mazen to recognize Israel as a Jewish state was a "ploy" introduced into the negotiations to sabotage them. Conflict researchers Matti Steinberg and Shaul Arieli explain that this is a demand that is not accepted in international relations, as countries do not typically "recognize" the national character of other countries. They add that there was a legitimate concern on the Palestinian side that the demand could be used to discriminate against Arabs who are Israeli citizens, and that it was perceived as a demand intended to humiliate Abbas. Additionally, Steinberg explains that this demand is absent from the peace treaties between Israel and Egypt and Jordan, from the negotiations with Syria, and even from the Abraham Accords. Steinberg further explains that from a historical perspective, this is also the traditional position of the right-wing camp in Israel. He cites, for example, Menachem Begin's words (first Israeli Prime Minister from Likud party) in his first speech in the Knesset as Prime Minister, where he said, "We do not expect anyone to request on our behalf that our right to exist in our ancestral homeland be recognized. The only recognition necessary between us and our neighbors is recognition of sovereignty and the mutual need for peaceful and understanding lives." He also mentions Ze'ev Jabotinsky’s stance in his testimony before the Peel Commission: "I do not believe it is desirable for any state’s constitution to contain special clauses that preemptively guarantee its 'national' character... When I use the term 'Hebrew state,' I mean a community or a stretch of land enjoying a sufficient degree of self-governance... and in which there is a Jewish majority." This is in accordance with the principle of the two-state solution, first proposed in the 1980s ..." 2306: 913: 548: 527: 558: 2203: 2176: 1547: 1526: 459: 438: 1450: 1432: 2213: 2339: 1833: 2003: 1982: 1882: 1861: 1075: 2013: 758: 233: 1892: 737: 962: 941: 1718: 972: 203: 2108: 2087: 1557: 653: 632: 407: 1790: 1779: 1768: 663: 1658: 1631: 853: 826: 1757: 1746: 2596:
Referring to the issue of recognizing the Jewishness of the State of Israel following Netanyahu's "Bar-Ilan Speech," Abu Mazen warned against presenting a condition for recognizing Israel's Jewish character on the part of the Palestinians. He expressed concern over Netanyahu’s approach of setting
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This quote belongs in either a hagiographical account, or in a context explaining Rabin's policies towards the peace process. Presented in a quote box, this quote is specifically decontextualized. I propose to remove this quotebox, or move the quote into the body as part of a paragraph which
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This is in accordance with the principle of the two-state solution, first proposed in the 1980s ..." To Y, which is: "In addition, the Israeli government rejected any possible agreement with Palestine as long as it refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
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User Dovidroth reverted my addition. I suggest we undo their revert since my additions made the article more precise. For example, Oslo was specifically an interim agreement aiming for a settlement, not necessarily a Palestinian state.
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I would suggest the following amendment. Please change X, which is: "In addition, the Israeli government rejected any possible agreement with Palestine as long as it refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
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Just noticed in the 2nd paragraph of the lead section it refers to Resolution 388 which is an unrelated resolution relating to Rhodesia. I believe that it should instead be referring to Resolution 3
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Also, the subsections are confusing as to whether they represent the perspectives of palestinian/israeli people, organizations or causes (it seems to mix all three).
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Matti Steinberg, In Search of Modern Palestinian Nationhood The Moshe Dayan Center, Tel-Aviv University (2016) --
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The following quote from Rabin was recently added to the section "Israeli views on the peace process":
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I always believed that most of the people want peace and are ready to take a risk for it
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