Talk:People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran

3547:: We are all volunteers and obviously you have no obligation to answer any question, but I have asked this many many times in this thread, without receiving any answer. I intend to keep answering your questions and concerns, but it would be really great if you had the courtesy of answering the most basic question I made (repeatedly): Do you think all reasonable options for the title are represented? Or do you expect to support any other? Do you think the formulation of the RFC, as presented, would be neutral? 2888:

personality. You are welcome to expand the section with further reliable sources, but expanding it with cult of personality practices does not really change my point about the title. In fact, some of the sources you bring up discuss cult practices beyond cult of personality, like Abrahamian. About your later question of previous discussions: yes, I have read many previous discussions over the years, and I'll never claim all my proposals are novel (as neither are yours), there's nothing wrong with that.

3786:. By refbomb, I mean an indiscriminate list of inline references, where some seem tangential, and there seems to be even duplicates. Although format-wise, it can be improved by using a citation bundle (many examples in this article). Also, please, use proper citation templates. Although my main objection is that the change misrepresents the RAND report, where you changed the quote, seemingly implying that the source discusses only cult of personality, when it goes way way beyond that. 2363: 2585:. It is irrelevant that some sources do not describe it as a cult. Some do, and in-text attribution is used to note it. The section is not about "cult of personality". The content and the backing sources are way more broad and discuss the extent to which the organization can (or cannot) be characterized as a cult. It is simply incorrect to name this section "cult of personality". It does not match the content. It does not match the sources. 931: 3023:. It is quite early work. I am also drafting a rewrite of the section, although I expect my title proposal to stand both with the current content or my proposed content.To ensure our efforts are directed towards some possible resolution, would you mind clarifying if the current title ("Cult of personality") is your preferred choice based on your current understanding of the sources? Otherwise, do you have any other option in mind? 1075: 1048: 1085: 1455: 1402: 959: 2399: 1376: 605: 816: 1302: 658: 637: 1604: 460: 1316: 1204: 2458:

opposition group, but it is also deeply unpopular today within Iran, largely due to its siding with Iraq in Iran–Iraq War." The sources of this statement, which carries a significant amount of misinformation, are articles from reputable outlets. However, it's noteworthy that the authors, who have historically expressed hostile views toward the organization, contribute to the narrative.

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I understand people will have personal observations, but my list only displays quotes from reliable sources without any personal analysis or editorializing. If a source attributes claims as coming from critics, governments, or certain analysts, then that's how I have also listed them. For example the

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and/or notable opinions. A good example is HRW, which is a reliable source in its own right. If they characterise it as a cult, that's a reliable characterisation. Finally, if it is purely a phrasing question, other formulations could be things like "cult-like attributes", "labelling as a cult", etc.

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of an explicit labeling as a cult. This is the case of Ervand Abrahamian, who you classify as "absolutely cult of personality", but he is the scholar describing the MEK most unambiguously as a cult (and yes, also discussing the cult of personality aspects). This can be seen in the following passages:

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I got your overall point: you think my proposed title is "deeply biased" and it's unlikely I can persuade you. That's why I wonder what would be your proposal, or if you think the current title is just correct. Given the track record of this page, this would likely need an RFC, but it would be unfair

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Hello MarioGom. I reverted your edit (didn't change the title as you say) because it was a deeply biased change. It is not irrelevant that other sources use the term "Cult of Personality". All reliable sources need to be considered, and if that's what's missing in that section, then perhaps we should

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Reasonable people can disagree on what counts as "media organization" in this context, I thought it was close enough, though I tend to be a bit inclusionist on these things. I think of a political org's official website as a media org, in general. Not that it comes up in this context very often, most

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I don't see how the title is biased at all. The title is not "Cult", "Cult characteristics", or "This is a cult". "Characterization as a cult" is a fairly neutral heading for a section that discusses the sources that describe it as a cult, a politico-religious sect, etc. Some of these sources are as

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I have a few observations on the discussion so far. First, yes, the concept of "cult" in general is broader than just "cult of personality", so the latter does not adequately encompass the former. Secondly, in Hogo's source analysis, the "allegations" column is largely not allegations, but reliable

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as the basis for the title change. Where things get compelling is that you never said you were reviving this proposal from 4 years ago, you said you had come up with this proposal by looking at the current content of the section. So how can both proposals (yours, and the one from 4 years ago by two

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I think the section needs to be rewritten, but at least for my proposal, I do not think it would change the title choice. So I don't think we need to wait for or hold back content changes. That can continue its own editing cycle. For what it's worth, I'm drafting new content, which would open with

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I'm as confused as Mario about what you think is "deeply biased" here. I can't see any bias, and you haven't explained any bias. I see one, arguably inaccurate descriptive subhead that has been exchanged for a related, but less specific and objectionable descriptive subhead. I don't see where bias

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Please, just see the content of the section. These sources state that the organization has characteristics of a cult, with different aspects being discussed. How would you call a well-sourced section that discusses the extent to which an organization is a cult or displays some characteristics of a

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For instance, on the English language Knowledge (XXG) page for "People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran", the writing suggests that "At one point the MEK was Iran's 'largest and most active armed dissident group,' and it is still sometimes presented by Western political backers as a major Iranian

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The Sazman-e Mojahedin-e Khalq declared that the revolution had been betrayed, took up arms against the Islamic Republic, and, setting up bases outside the country, turned into a cult resembling medieval Shi'i sects. Its leader elevated himself into an infallible imam with the power to determine

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If you think I'm not acting in good faith, please, report this to an appropriate venue. Otherwise, would you engage assuming good faith in this discussion? I made the case for this proposal at great length here, and asked you some questions to try to build consensus (whether you think the current

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The RAND report is probably the second most cited publication about the MEK in academia, after Abrahamian. So it is due.I think Abrahamian is way underrepresented in the section, and even RAND is underrepresented. Major aspects discussed by both sources are not covered. I don't think any of them

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These are not useful sources. The BBC piece is half opinion piece itself, is not focused on the issue and merely recollects the uninformed opinions of anonymous soldiers. The AP piece just trots out a few opinions from politicians. There are much more serious, secondary, analytical voices to be

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You seem to have done quite a lot of review of sources, so I thought by now you would have a rough idea of the possible choices. I'm not asking for you to commit to anything, none of this is binding for a future RFC, but ok.I did not delete, I reverted, which is not the same. I objected to your

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As I said, RAND is one of the most cited, not in this article, but in academic publications. I get that you will not check this, but please, understand that preparing a bibliography review for you will require quite some effort and time. About the extension, I did not advocate for RAND to take

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I have checked the most relevant sources, and I think you have done so too. I think the discussion is stuck because it is not a matter of reading the sources again, but an essential disagreement on how to interpret them, and how to conceptualize the different aspects. I'll start workshopping a

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title is ok or not, whether you have another proposal, or what would you think would be appropriate options for an RFC), but you did not answer any so far. I'm not going to engage in de-railing this thread with a long exchange on this innuendo about whatever some other editor said 4 years ago.

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As I said, there's a conceptual problem with that. "Cult of personality" is one aspect. Some sources discuss it as part of broader cult-like behavior. "Cult of personality" as a section title is not broad enough to convey that the section discusses what different sources claim about cult-like

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Adding further sources, including discussion of "cult of personality" practices is still compatible with a title "characterization as a cult". On the other hand, a title "cult of personality" is not appropriate for a section that discusses broader "cult-like" practices, not limited to cult of

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In any case, what material from Butcha did you want to cite? I notice he accuses Rajavi of a "dictatorial leadership" (p 113-114) and goes into details about MEK's "propaganda machine" (p 114-116) and then also calls it a "political religious sect" and says it is run like a "totalitarian,

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of the sources, and the main problem with that section is its selective misrepresentation of a single point of view. This was the rationale for merging RAND in a manner that includes the various perspectives the source presents. If representing all significant views is a non-negotiable

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After the revolution, they followed their eclectic ideology, mingling some socialist ideas with their interpretation of Islam, were brutally suppressed by the clerical regime and were reduced to a religious cult based in Iraq but with a large following in other countries outside

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cult? The exact title does not need to be in the sources, just like "History" or "Controversies" do not need to explictly come from the sources, as long as the sources discuss history and controversies. So, again, what would be your preferred title for this section?

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Yes, of course those are opinions. Those are just statements by politicians. Those aren't the examples I gave. The voices of subject-matter experts, research organisations and independent bodies are not just opinions however - these are reliable, expert statements.

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Yes, I agree it will eventually need a rewrite to better represent what reliable sources say, with attention to due weight. Adding more info on cult of personality contributes to that. Removing well sourced mentions to cult beyond cult of personality does not.

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be discussing that instead. I take it from the above comment that this has been previously addressed. If you're adamant about this change, we should look at those discussions as well as sources and determine what new information would support such a change.

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On the MEK's English Knowledge (XXG) page over the summer a string of information describing human rights abuses by Iranian officials was deleted. The anonymous users who changed the content cited the need for "trimming" or claimed that the material was

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used sources but had read and summarized the content of the section: "It's a summary of the content", "just see the content of the section", "The exact title does not need to be in the sources". However the same verbatim title change proposal was made

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Oh God, the topic's back. Yes, it's described as a cult, but not a cult of personality. It wasn't one of these things where everyone hung the pictures of the leaders on the walls. Characterization is a more usefully descriptive/functional subtitle.

3581:. I have been analyzing the sources in that section and found that often the content selectively represents only one point of view, so I cannot tell you yet if your title choice is reasonable until we address this. Now would you please address the 4402:

That source fails the first criteria that the "entirely dedicated to MEK". How many of Butcha's 390 citations are about the MEK? Likely a small minority. However, we can be confident most, if not all, of citations to Abrahamian are regarding the

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But Rajavi went beyond that: he raised himself to the rank of an Imam-Zaman, thus effectively founding a new religion: Mojahedinism/Rajavism. The new religion required blind obedience and total submission to the ideological leader (i.e. Rajavi

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You can verify this by actually reading the most cited academic sources within the article, as well as the most relevant tertiary sources such as Oxford Reference entries. I'll post a bibliographic review here. This will take some time.

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of it will be some kind of "news". Fwiw, the website has "News". If you have an opinion, please share. However, "an organization with at least one member banned by WMF T&S" doesn't matter in this context, but it's interesting info.

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The site has a blog-section, but afaict, the article in question is not there. Some political parties used to publish their own newspapers and magazines (maybe some still do), I don't consider this very different. But that's my view.

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reliable as they can get, such as Ervand Abrahamian. But in any case, the heading "Characterization as a cult" does not preclude adding reliable sources that try to refute the others or represent a different viewpoint on the topic.

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That being said, I think there's a misconception in your draft. "Cult" and "cult of personality" are not mutually exclusive. Some discuss "cult of personality" without labeling as "cult", while others discuss "cult of personality"

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and Eli Clifton, consider that the organization has some characteristics of a cult. However, Cohen notes that these characteristics are common across military organizations in times of war, and that the MEK cannot be considered a

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If you really want to go deeper on this meta discussion on my behaviour, my talk page is open. I think this thread should continue with the substance, and avoid shifting to meta-discussions that do not serve consensus building.

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Several issues: 1) removes well-sourced content (e.g. cult characteristics), 2) misrepresents the RAND report, which describes cult characteristics (not just cult of personality), 3) completely unreasonable refbomb in the

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one-third. What I said is that is should be well represented, and that other sources, especially Abrahamian (which I hope you will not dispute as being the most important author in this area), need to be represented

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I think that section should be better written to represent the different points of views rather than expanded, but ok, I will add the missing views and then we can open a new topic about rewriting certain passages.

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comes into it at all. All labels of "cult" are characterisations, and there "Characterisations as a cult" is a perfectly reasonable subhead. Your objections, on the other hand, are as yet entirely unexplained.

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answer about your proposal using sources, and I'm currently gathering additional sources that I will provide here soon). I'm also not interested in escalating this, but could you just please clear this up?

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Also note that you are free to propose any other changes to the content, but trying to keep a title unrelated to the content is the kind of filibusterism that has plagued the 62 pages of archives already .

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Hello MarioGom, note that I did not say RAND was an unreliable source, I said RAND is being over-represented (and it is). A workshop should be set in place now so that portion of the section complies with

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I think the sentence you quote should be replaced as part of a rewrite, since I think it gives undue weight to declarations by some individual government officials, and scholar sources should have more

2635:: Do you realize that the section is not about "cult of personality"? Neither the content or the sources are about that. It just does not make any sense. Which title would you propose for this section? 4484:

I don't know how many of Butcha's 390 google scholar citations are about the MEK, but his book does provide extensive coverage of the MEK. Are you suggesting that book can't be used because it isn't

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Hello MarioGom, as already said, this looks like a deeply biased change because you're overlooking a major part of the literature. I will survey sources (also in the archives) and start a list here.

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In terms of due weight, RAND is cited to a large percentage of the entire section. There are dozens of sources available in this topic, so one source should not carry that much weight.

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procedure applies to this article. This article is related to post-1978 Iranian politics, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:

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Iran today : an encyclopedia of life in the Islamic Republic. Authors: Mehran Kamrava (Editor), Manochehr Dorraj (Editor). Publisher: Greenwood Press, Westport, Conn., 2008. Page 338.

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from the page that RAND also describes the group as a cult of personality and that this claim is being denied by supporters, and only keep RAND's list of cult characteristics?

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Conflict in the modern Middle East : an encyclopedia of civil war, revolutions, and regime change. Author:Jonathan K. Zartman (Editor). Publisher: ABC-CLIO, 2020. Page 209.

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this is not a media organization, but a self-published post by the National Council of Resistance of Iran (an organization with at least one member banned by WMF T&S

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According to RAND, members were lured in through "false promises of employment, land, aid in applying for asylum in Western countries" and then prevented from leaving.

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I have not been involved in this topic recently. But there was a time when I would read about MEK day and night. Based on my research, MarioGom is correct in saying "

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The Sazman-e Mojahedin-e Khalq declared that the revolution had been betrayed, took up arms against the Islamic Republic, and, setting up bases outside the country,

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way to the google citations to RAND or Abrahamian. Thus, RAND and Abrahamian remain the most scholarly publications on the topic, but again Butcha can be cited with

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Hello MarioGom. Your answer is rather compelling. I previously asked you how you had arrived at the title "Characterization as a cult", and you said you had

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Also note that I didn't say RAND was not due, I said that it's over-represented because its content makes up about one-third of the entire section. If

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reliable sources, what is your justification for attributing one-third of the entire section to only RAND when there are dozens of sources available?

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key points of the RAND report, the ones I quoted. I have no problem expanding, and in fact, I already mentioned I think the section needs expansion.

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Currently the section "Cult of Personality" has 323 words, of which 102 words (about one-third) are attributed to just one source, RAND. There are

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Hello MarioGom. Before starting a RFC about the title, there are unresolved questions about the content of the section. For example the sentence:

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Iran Agenda The Real Story of U.S. Policy and the Middle East Crisis. Authors: Reese Erlich, Robert Scheer. Publisher: Routledge, 2016. Page 99.

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Deadly connections states that sponsor terrorism. Authors: Daniel Byman. Publisher: Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2005 Page 37.

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Analysis or synthesis about how certain authors discuss cult-behavior within the broader concept of "cult of personality" is a patent

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according to Google scholar, while almost of a third of the entire section remains attributed to only RAND. That's obviously against

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Its leader elevated himself into an infallible imam with the power to determine policy and reinterpret thirteen centuries of Islam.

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What do you think? Are these the two options that we would consider? Is there any other? cc participants in the above discussion (

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The "first criteria" that a source is required to be "entirely dedicated to the MEK" is being imposed by you? I tend to follow

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Alternatively, if it turns out there are no further options, I can turn it into a yes/no question, along the following lines:

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has two contrasting opinions, one is by a critic and the other by someone rejecting that criticism. These are two contrasting

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No, I'm not suggesting that at all, and I'm not sure where you got that from. We can definitely use Butcha's book, giving it

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Sure. I've been reviewing bibliography and drafting some material and I'll be happy to post it here for further discussion.

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I have partially restored your edits. The one for the initial sentence. Reference selection and style can be refined later.

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Hello MarioGom, where can I verify that RAND is "probably the second most cited publication about the MEK in academia"?

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The Thousand and One Borders of Iran Travel and Identity. Author: Fariba Adelkhah. Publisher: Routledge, 2015. Page 270.

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Yes, but random opinions in random news pieces are not very relevant. This sort of stuff carries little to no weight.

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my change changing the title of the section "Cult of personality" to "Characterization as a cult". Your rationale was

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And the reason why I asked you where you got this title from is because I saw in the archives that it was proposed

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The MEK is widely known for its early Marxist ideology. It is certainly not primarily known for its positions on

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The Iranian Mojahedin. Author: Ervand Abrahamian. Publisher: Yale University Press, New Haven, 1989. Page 255.

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Terrorist Argument. Author: Christopher C. Harmon. Publisher: Brookings Institution Press, 2018. Page 170.

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Terrornomics. Authors: Sean S. Costigan, David GoldPublished March 16, 2016. Publisher: Routledge. Page 68.

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The RAND report is probably the second most cited publication about the MEK in academia, after Abrahamian.

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A bibliography review focused on paraphrasing from various reliable sources. I'll share my review soon.

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The Democratic Islamic Republic of Iran in Exile. The Mojahedin-e Khalq and its Struggle for Survival

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weight. All I'm saying is that google scholar number of citations for Butch's can't be compared in

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The group's early ideology asserted that science, reason, and modernity are compatible with Islam.

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prioritizes content from books. Let me know if you have any other book you'd like me to consider.

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I'd be curious to see how frequently each source was cited. For comparison, the RAND article has

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Hello MarioGom, I have looked at sources in the article, archives, and Google Books. Here is the

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The MEK has been described as a "cult" by governments and officials in Iran, the United States,

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coming from the same source, and I've quoted them accordingly without any further appraisals.

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displays quotes from reliable sources to determine what terminology and content aligns with

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I'll be waiting for your bibliographic review, but kindly prioritize the central issue. If

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Can you please say which sources use the title "Characterization as a cult" (or similar)?

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If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first.

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Reformers and Revolutionaries in Modern Iran: New Perspectives on the Iranian Left

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Reformers and Revolutionaries in Modern Iran: New Perspectives on the Iranian Left

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Reformers and Revolutionaries in Modern Iran: New Perspectives on the Iranian Left

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changes and explained why. Your edit removed or replaced the following passages:

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I intend to open an RFC to resolve the above discussion. It could be as follows:

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they stopped being a mass movement with Marxist roots and became basically a cult

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referenced here. We don't need trivial, unfocused news clippings and opinions.

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I've put together so far. I'm looking for additional sources, do you have any?

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or not is a frequent discussion among scholars. Some of them, including

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In short, the Mojahedin had metamorphized from a mass movement into an

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The group's ideology is rooted in "Islam with revolutionary Marxism"

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It's a summary of the content. What would be your preferred title?

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Terror Tagging of an Iranian Dissident Organization: A White Paper

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Moghissi, Haideh; Rahnema, Saeed (2013). Cronin, Stephanie (ed.).

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Clear vandalism of any origin may be reverted without restriction.

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Who rules Iran? : the structure of power in the Islamic Republic

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problems in the section. Would you like to help me clean it up?

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Electoral disenfranchisement and opposition activity (1980–1981)

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available in this topic so the weight given to RAND is undue.

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My proposal is to have the section consider books like these.

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by two editors that appear to be now banned from this topic,

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Hello MarioGom. This list of books use "Cult of personality".

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Islamic Republic of Iran operations against MEK inside Europe

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please

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according to Google scholar (also missing in that section).

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The source quotes them as opinions, and I'm doing the same.

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This article has been marked as needing immediate attention.

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Cohen is indeed a good source! From what I see, Cohen says

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As well as other works, including the following interview:

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inward-looking sect in many ways similar to religious cults

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How did you arrive at that summary? through which sources?

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This article has been mentioned by a media organization-BRD

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represents only one point of view. That is one of several

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Perhaps Hogo can respond to my final comment above first.

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While some sources use this term for the MEK, others don't

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On 21 February 2022, it was proposed that this article be

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Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the

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on google scholar, so its not as widely regarded as RAND.

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banned editors using an unreliable source) be identical?

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and the press template are strictly for press sources.

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Hello MarioGom, I'm also interested in the content (I

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to this talkpage-template, and was reverted on that, "

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1979 Iranian Revolution and subsequent power struggles

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Exile and underground opposition activity (1982–1988)

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according to google scholar. And the source is both

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Abrahamian, Ervand (2013). Cronin, Stephanie (ed.).

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that match the section title "Cult of personality"?

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Abrahamian, Ervand (2013). Cronin, Stephanie (ed.).

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This article has been checked against the following

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policy and reinterpret thirteen centuries of Islam.

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turned into a cult resembling medieval Shi'i sects.

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