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should be, i think theres a part for all anti turkist uprisings for the entente part.here is the all uprisings: Ali Batı Incident (11 May 1919 – 18 August 1919) Ali Galip incident (20 August 1919 – 15 September 1919) First bozkır
Uprising (29 September 1919 – 4 October 1919) Second bozkır Uprising (20 October 1919 – 4 November 1919) First Ahmet Anzavur uprising (25 October 1919 – 30 November 1919) First Düzce Uprising (13 April 1920 – 31 May 1920) Second Düzce Uprising (19 July 1920 – 23 September 1920) Sheikh Ashraf Uprising (Hart Incident) (26 October 1919 – 24 December 1919) Kızılkuyu Incident (28 October 1919 - 29 October 1919) Battle of Apa (28 October 1919) Battle of Dinek (November 1, 1919) Battle of Demirkapı (November 15, 1919) Second Ahmet Anzavur Uprising (16 February 1920 – 19 April 1920) Kuvâ-yi İnzibâtiye (18 April 1920 - 25 June 1920) Third Ahmet Anzavur Uprising (10 May 1920 – 22 May 1920) First Yozgat Uprising/First Çapanoğlu Uprising (15 May 1920 – 27 August 1920) Second Yozgat Uprising/Second Çapanoğlu Uprising (5 September 1920 – 30 December 1920) Zile Rebellion (25 May 1920 – 21 June 1920) Aynacıoğulları Revolt (1918 - 21 November 1923) "Milli" Tribe Revolt (1 June 1920 – 8 September 1920) Cemil Çeto Incident (20 May 1920 – 7 June 1920) İnegöl Incident (20 July 1920 – 20 August 1920) Çopur Musa Uprising (in Afyon) (21 June 1920) Kula Incident (27 June 1920 – 28 June 1920) Konya Uprising (2 October 1920 – 22 November 1920) Demirci Mehmet Efe Uprising (1 December 1920 – 30 December 1920) Circassian Ethem Revolt (27 December 1920 – 23 January 1921) Koçgiri/Koçkiri Rebellion (6 March 1921 – 17 June 1921) Revenge Regiment Uprising (July 1920) Pontus Uprising (December 1920 - 6 February 1923) (From turkish WP) also i must say one thing more: The afghans didnt support turks,the turks supported afghans.In the agreement made with the Afghans, while it was written that the Turks would send officer teachers to the Afghans, it did not say that the Afghans would do anything for the Turks. This agreement was made with Afghanistan by the Ankara government in order to put the British in a difficult situation in Afghanistan and to increase their recognition.
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Christian populations—a continuation of the Armenian genocide and other ethnic cleansing operations during World War I. Following these campaigns of ethnic cleansing, the historic Christian presence in Anatolia was destroyed, in large part, and the Muslim demographic had increased from 80% to 98%." There was a mutually agreed population exchange between Greece and Turkey, which 1.6 million Greeks left Turkey for Greece. The population exchange contributed to a significant decline of the Christian population. But the sentence is twisted into making people believe that the TNM (The Turkish Nationalist Movement) genocided them.
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At this point just say turks are the bad guys and the rest of them are good guys. Taking armenian death numbers from an armenian communist counsil member is not objective , saying 15000+ deaths in turkish side is so funny while writing 35000 thousand villages were burned to ground , making up numbers
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as you can understand the topic from the title,the turkish side is really,REALLY exaggrated.For example:the azerbaijan,aras and kars government were abolished before they communicated with ankara government. That "also" part likely done for showing turks were more than the entente.if that "also" part
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I would recommend creating a new discussion topic over whether to add a note to that number in the infobox indicating that the source is controversial or not good enough. Consensus would have to be established for this in the thread. You can help your case by finding another calculation who's source
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Turkish person. I am sure you are more familiar with the Turkish history than me, and so probably have access to relevant sources to counter the excessively biased parts of the article. I found this sentence quite misleading and dubious: "The Turkish Nationalist Movement carried
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If there are indeed anti-Turkish passages in the article please point them out in the discussion section so we can have an article agreeable to all contributors. This article is intended to tell the
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Leaving aside R. J. Rummel's imaginary biased number calculation, I will mention a technical problem. I quote the article you mentioned as the source of
Turkish death. "I believe the minimum number killed was 15,000". It is clearly understood from this article that the selection of this source was
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There are many references to 1M expelled Greeks here and other places. I wonder how did anyone reach to these figures. Is there a reliable source of population counts in May 1919 in what is now
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Don’t get me wrong, there is nothing wrong about describing the war crimes committed by the
Turkish forces, but the fact that this article lacks even a single positive source about Turkish independence already showed the opinions of the biased editors about Turkey; the same for criticizing those
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Even if we take the stats by Rummel, which are highly questionable due to his neoconservative biases and having a history of overestimating the deaths caused by anti-western regimes, 260k Greek civilians were murdered by Turkish army in the war. Therefore, most Greeks left Turkey as part of the
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If some facts or key pieces of information about the conflict with respect to the Turks is missing, extended confirmed contributors are more than welcome to incorporate information. I personally would welcome any DM for sources on this topic, and we can work out ways to incorporate them in this
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This article, which is supposed to be an article about the independence struggle of the Turkish people and the founding of their own country from the partition by foreign imperialist forces, is full of biased and anti-Turkish sources about how the independence war was wrong and shouldn’t have
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The so-called source (biased imaginary estimates on the R. J. Rummel paper) claims that 264,000 Greeks died between 1912-1922, therefore previous death estimates that have nothing to do with this war that started in 1919 cannot be attributed as if they were in this war, it is not technically
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that many minorities have been leaving, and more escaping the war torn country for better prospects in the West. In fact, such migrations were taking place continuously since 1900 or so. It seems all this population movement is lumped under "expelled" category. Which seems misleading.
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Where is your proof? There was a war goinf so peoplw from borh side died. Article is very biased and one-sided.
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1943:10,175
1878:Outcome
1842:11,318
1819:Revolts
1767:20,349
1694:17,438
1621:16,741
1548:16,422
1490:10,758
1464:49,194
1449:Section
1291:Yeniçağ
1152:on the
1047:on the
942:on the
915:Armenia
902:Armenia
871:Armenia
618:Ottoman
576:on the
463:C-class
412:in the
370:Process
207:WP refs
195:scholar
33:Armenia
2389:331dot
2244:331dot
2068:4,071
1978:Turkey
1971:3,528
1956:5,474
1949:Impact
1940:10,175
1915:3,863
1900:1,414
1885:5,874
1872:2,254
1857:5,607
1812:4,245
1797:1,594
1782:3,060
1754:3,030
1739:4,052
1724:7,065
1709:3,178
1681:4,071
1666:5,158
1651:3,596
1636:3,803
1608:4,285
1593:4,847
1578:3,031
1563:4,199
1535:2,245
1520:4,852
1505:3,620
1477:3,004
1461:49,194
1451:total
1380:merged
1304:çıktı.
1297:May 4,
1020:Greece
1011:Greece
967:Greece
606:Balkan
549:Turkey
536:Turkey
492:Turkey
469:scale.
428:, and
373:Result
331:was a
179:Google
2224:page.
2073:Total
2065:4,071
2035:Notes
1968:3,528
1912:3,863
1897:1,414
1869:2,254
1854:5,607
1839:3,457
1809:4,245
1794:1,594
1779:3,060
1751:3,030
1736:4,052
1721:7,065
1706:3,178
1678:4,071
1663:5,158
1648:3,596
1633:3,803
1605:4,285
1590:4,847
1575:3,031
1560:4,199
1532:2,245
1517:4,852
1502:3,620
1474:3,004
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2016:685
2001:548
1986:700
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367:Date
215:FENS
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2013:685
1998:548
1983:700
1927:583
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