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3453:, I don't think that I got a compellingly definitive answer. There are those who believe that we should revert all of the access-signal-related changes; there are those who believe that we should implement the individual aspects of the RfC that received consensus no matter how slight; there are those who believe that, for now, we should do neither of those things and continue with the status quo pending supplementary RfCs. I find myself in this latter camp because of closer's writing quoted above and because the status quo version of access-signal support is already out there in use and has been since 29 October 2016. 2514:

registration required" instead of "You are required to register to read this article, but it does not cost money to do so. Websites will typically asks for your email and some personal information. You could also ask a friend to register for you, or register with a dummy email if you do not trust the website with your personal information, however this may violate their terms of service. Your password and login information might be stored in a cookie. That being said, an excerpt might still be available to unregistered users."

1094:, which doesn't do that since website/publisher is obvious (it's the arxiv repository). Likewise for bioRxiv, it's hosted on the bioRxiv repository. The only difference between the two is bioRxiv is relatively new and only starting to pick up steam (at a very impressive rate too). The real question is how are bioRxiv entries usually cited in the literature? We should follow that, but I suspect biology treats them the same way as physics/astronomy treats arxiv citations. 3911:—but they're very uncommon. (I don't think the error message should acknowledge these rare exceptions; it should just state the rule that's almost always true.) If anyone agrees we should do this and someone can provide the code (I cannot), we would need a way to turn off the error message for proper uses. If we reached that stage, if necessary, I would volunteer to spend the time (within reason) to find all instances and implement whatever that fix might be (maybe 31: 2692: 2353: 2793: 2821: 2499:

much hover text. But these people can quickly learn what the paywall lock means. They can read the hover text once, understand it, and never feel a need to hover their mouse over a paywall lock ever again. But, for high-school students and other individuals not in the know, we may be opening their eyes (maybe for the first time ever) to vast trove of scholarly knowledge. —

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average reader. I don't think it's helpful to the average reader to obliquely define Knowledge reference inclusion policy in the help for what the tag means. Finally, why the weasel words in "may be required"? The parameter says "registration=yes", and it renders as "registration required" -- the "may be" has no business being there.

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mis-informs, possibly because the RFC itself did not clarify that subscription/registration access flags are apparently dependent on the lock scheme. Aspect B3 may not be independent, but a sub-aspect of Aspect B1. Something like this should have been pointed out, as it may have been material to the RFC's consideration.

3824:, problem solved. It is not the purpose of a citation to explain to reader what the cited content contains or describes. The purpose of a citation is to assist readers in locating the source that supports claims made in a Knowledge article. If I go to the library and checkout the 17 November 2000 issue of 5056:

This occurs for most of the citation templates which might have a sub-work unit (notably, websites, encyclopedias, and so-forth, and even contributions to some books which might be in language X versus the book's Y). I can't recall having seen a discussion regarding the topic since the module-ization

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I see that the period after the ")" gets added elsewhere, and may be done in such a way that it would be difficult to omit it for registration=yes and subscription=yes so that the period can be placed inside the parentheses in the above text, so I have not yet looked into that. Before I do, I wanted

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Dear Trappist: The problem with the old dark-red access lock icon is that it had a transparent background. This made it nearly invisible when the icon was superimposed upon a black webpage. I see four possible workarounds: A) Underlay a white rectangle beneath the dark-red lock. B) Or a white rounded

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many paywalled sources let you read the abstract for free, or a page or two for free. Please correct Mark and I if we're wrong, but we think that bright red may imply "you can't read any of this for free". This may mislead our readers, and dissuade them from clicking through and reading abstracts for

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Can anyone know how to manage these templates for volumes with publication dates spread over multiple years? (they're unusual, but early 20th century works sometimes had publication dates of 1910-1913, for example). I've done it once before, but can't remember where! Any advice gratefully received...

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This seems to be generalized to all biorxiv dois, but might be a temporary database issue. However, I have no faith that the crossref information would not polute the citation with extraneous and unecessary information, like putting CSHL as the publisher, biorxiv as the journal, and similar. It would

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or similar. Additionally, you have to include the information that will help others easily discover the source: if the review has a title, you should use that title - or at least as much of the title as would be required to make it a legible, discoverable citation. If the review's title is the title

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I was just editing an article where one of the citations required (free) registration to read, so I looked at the {{cite web}} template and found there was a "|registration=yes" parameter, so I added that. However, it renders so poorly and confusingly for readers -- "(registration required (help))."

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Both you and I have been to university. Also, both you and I both know that we can get free online access to many papers at a university library. But many laypeople don't know this. In fact, even some university graduates don't know this. For those in the know, we're wasting their time by writing so

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describes) not the entire journal, so I would imagine it to be either near the title of the article or somehow modifying the entire citation. Right now it makes it seem like the entire series of a journal is in whatever language instead of just the article under discussion, which is quite often not

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parameters where editors had added inappropriate annotations. That experience and this discussion were the impetus to add name checks to the Module sandbox. I have added code that detects a variety of editor annotations that occur at the end of values assigned to author, contributor, interviewer,

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The bibliographical details of Rubin's book are included in the review's title but to include them here only confuses the issue. Our reader does not need to have those details when seeking the review at the public library. I can imagine a reader checking the book for something that was written in

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In that RFC, Headbomb offered a choice of multiple colors for the free-access lock and the partial-access lock. But the only color choice he offered for the paywall lock was bright red. (In other words, bright red was the only choice available on the ballot.) Because the ballot offered no choice in

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correctly applies Citation Style 1. The back-end, and/or the scripting language utilized, is not directly relevant to style issues in general, and to citing IETF docs in particular, at least per the current CS1 implementation. If this template has bugs that trouble you and/or bad documentation that

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seems a rather insubstantial reason for opposition. I'm no grammarian so there may be more substantive grammatical reasons why we should not use the colon to introduce the title at the end of the editor list. I suppose that my preference for the colon stems from the use of the full stop (cs1) or

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as a descriptor. In each case, the title of the review was supplied by the source and was obvious to me. I did not set out to be wholly consistent; that isn't my job here. I did set out to show how I think these three reviews might be cited; that I did them differently just shows that there are

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Good idea. In fact, maybe we could provide even more alt text than that. Perhaps this: "A summary or excerpt may be available for free. However, to read the full text, you must either buy access or visit a library with a paid subscription. Try phoning your nearest university library." In addition,

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in the future, but right now I don't understand the SSRNs system well enough to be sure that it's needed, or what should or shouldn't be allowed for parameters if there is a need for it. I'll be focusing on biorxiv/citeseerx cleanup for now (and I'll create documentation for them later this week).

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would do two things. It specifically identifies the publication as a preprint, and which would facilitate the bot-maintenance of these templates and general cleanup of the citations. Right now, there's a lot of people doing citations to biorxiv preprints like this (the first is done by putting the

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Only one color was offered for the free access lock, green. The only one where there was a choice was the partial access lock, yellow vs blue which left very few people happy. I personally believe Green/Grey/Red will gain support the next time we ask, but it's possibly Green/Grey/Grey will get it

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quick query from a by-stander: should the template output some sort of indication of the name of the website or the publisher of the website that's hosting these articles beyond the bioRxiv identifier number? I understand what it is from clicking on the ID number, but maybe we could give just an

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without having a title? Sometimes I need to cite pieces in academic journals that don't have a title, per se. The most obvious example of this is a book review, which generally would be cited as , where in lieu or or alongside any proper title is a description of the work itself; and titles and

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And my point is that the community was presented with a partly false or incomplete set of options. Aspect B3 was not fully explained as dependent on Aspect B1. This may have affected the outcome. It certainly affected the closing, and the closer's comments, which seem contradictory as indicated

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Not what I am asking. The exact placement or wording of the flag to be applied is not relevant to my question. All I want to be able to do is to signal subscription requirement, but without using locks. It seems that locks are locked in when it comes to this. If that is the case, the RFC close

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First off, the "r" in "registration" should be capitalized if there's a period at the end, and the period should go inside the parentheses, not outside. Secondly, "Sources are not required to be available online. Online sources do not have to be freely available." must be very confusing to the

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It's not a matter of having been to university or not, it's a matter of the message being exceedingly long. This is a message that will need to be read by screen readers several times per article, and thus needs to be short. This is why all the messages are short and to the point, e.g. "Free

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all don't suggest the article would be in anything other than English, and the JSTOR link doesn't provide a preview for this work unless you log into your account/have access. I agree, though, that it probably isn't necessary to add the language a work is written in; I just thought that all

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the review because the book's bibliographic detail is the first thing he reads after the title. One can omit the reviewed work's bibliographic details as I did or hint at them with ellipses or include an editor's note: ; in any of these cases the reader will be able to locate the review.

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A) How about a thin white outline, perhaps one pixel thick or a few pixels thick? B) What percent of our readers view Knowledge on a black background? I suspect that it's a tiny percentage. Shouldn't we care more about making things look nice for the majority than for the minority?

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Would it be possible to change the yellow/blue lock to the grey lock? No one was really happy with either color, the commnunity was evenly split, and grey pretty much addresses everyone's concerns. I'd rather avoid a lengthy RFC on the issue for such a simple and IMO reasonable change.

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the default because we do not highlight the normal state, either with an icon or with text. For most identifiers the links normally link to sources behind a registration or subscription wall. Because of this, there is no need to clutter the rendered citation with extraneous access

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I don't think it appropriate to disregard the outcome of an RFC. The community uses RFCs as an accepted method for making considered decisions. To hold an RFC and then disregard the decision essentially renders the process meaningless. You invoked the last RFC; you can invoke

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attribute may be rendered by user agents in a variety of ways. For instance, visual browsers frequently display the title as a "tooltip" (a short message that appears when the pointing device pauses over an object). Audio user agents may speak the title information in a similar

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and look in the table of contents, I likely won't find any reference to Brown & Duguid but I will find the title "Learning by text or context?" and that review's author. (Apparently not possible to directly link to that issue's TOC but a link to the TOC is available at the

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When using {{Cite biorxiv | last1 = Goldberg|first1 = Amy |display-authors=etal. |year=2016 |title=Familial migration of the Neolithic contrasts massive male migration during Bronze Age in Europe inferred from ancient X chromosomes|biorxiv=078360}}, the title gets italicized.

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I think that it is true that, generally, each of the the several volumes of a multi-volume source should be treated as a separate source. The cs1|2 templates are not designed to render the necessary bibliographic details for a single source. So, best practice is, I think:

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But I definitely agree that only one tag for language is needed; I can maybe understand why a reader might want to know the language of the actual source, but I don't know why it would be necessary to know all the languages in a given book/journal/encyclopedia/whatever.

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with the help tooltip giving "Sources are not required to be available online. Online sources do not have to be freely available. The site may require registration." -- that I reverted my change and just added "(Registration required.)" at the end of the <ref: -->

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As part of the initial discussions I proposed a series of icons that were all blue; access indicated by the lock shape only. That idea was shot down because others believed that multiple indications of access (shape and color) are better than the single (shape

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The only argument against them really is "but that's more templates to deal with", and I think I've shown pretty conclusively that using the existing ones create lots of issues in the long term, while lots of benefits would come from a dedicated template like

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There is,however, a greater issue: A significant body of opinion has been expressed below that the entire visual status indicator idea is not acceptable. The above assessment must be interpreted in light of this. I would urge that this close is treated as a

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Aesthetics are not the main concern when it comes to citing claims. What if a citation looks good but is illegible or obtuse? In any case, almost all serials that review works with some regularity have a "Reviews" column, section, or department. You can use

720:) is no different. I have shown a need for it, and no one objects. We don't need RFCs for every single incremental upgrade to the CS1 suite of templates. The only reason I haven't created it myself is because I can't write in LUA. I could have half-assed a 2304:

I've thought of some possible workarounds, and described them, in a comment which you probably haven't read yet. Search through this page for the phrase if you'd like to learn about them. I believe that, with the workarounds, dark red is a viable option.

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Sure, those are work-arounds. But, neither you nor I have the power to change that which was decided by RFC, do we? Without another RFC that overrides the current consensus, the access signals shall have the forms and colors that were determined by the

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We constantly see new users citing other Knowledge articles. I think it would be very useful if the cite templates generated an error message when a Knowledge url was placed in the url field (maybe also when "Knowledge" was placed in {{cite web}}'s

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The dark red fails one of the criteria we established for the icon designs, to wit: contrast against both white and black backgrounds. This is important for the visually impaired and for those who invert their colors (light text on a dark or black

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Is there a consensus to add this template to cs1? Of all the editors who monitor this talk page (234 at this writing) only three have had anything to say here. If I read this topic correctly, you are the only editor who has expressed support for

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Certainly the templates should be responsible for static text, but the fact than many editors are adding this manually is evidence of demand. If the change were made to the templates, a bot would be needed to remove these manual annotations.

2382:. Must I repeat myself? Neither you nor I have the authority to arbitrarily overturn such a decision. The number of readers who use an inverted color scheme is irrelevant; those who do deserve to be accommodated if it is possible to do so. 521:

If the decision is taken to create these templates as cs1 templates, there is a side benefit in that it will force me to finally do the unsupported arXiv parameter test properly because these two templates will require the same sort of error

3788:" section and the article has an info box with the publication details of the work in question. But only having the title "Learning by Text or Context?" doesn't provide information to the reader that it's a review of Brown & Duguid 2000. 933:{{Cite biorxiv/new | last1 = Goldberg|first1 = Amy |display-authors=etal. |year=2016 |title=Familial migration of the Neolithic contrasts massive male migration during Bronze Age in Europe inferred from ancient X chromosomes|biorxiv=078360}} 3381:

Again, those are not contradictory, and does not hinge on locks being their or not. People could decide to go text-based, with arxiv:1234.1234 (Free to read), doi:10.1234/whatever (Subscription Required), JSTOR(Registration required).

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seems to be allowed (see above for the list that should be allowed), and it shouldn't be. There the . at the end of the citation can also appear on a different line, but that may be a wider issue related to access locks and

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of the templates. I agree it is somewhat confusing. There might be some desire to deprecate language in favor of e.g. |work-language... OTOH, I'm not entirely sure why we indicate the language at all. I suppose it might

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It is the responsibility of the cs1|2 templates to render the citation with appropriate punctuation and appropriate static text. Editors should not be adding extraneous text to template parameters as you have done with

1994:) to be usable by DNS but render's a Unicode version for the reader. If I drop the Punycode version of the url into my browser's address bar, I get the correct web site and my browser renders the Cyrillic domain name. 1918:

generates a warning when a (valid) URL is in Cyrillic (and, I suspect, in any other non-Latin script), which it probably shouldn't, since there is nothing wrong with the URL. An example of this behavior can be seen

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someone from spending time finding a document were they to know they could not read the language of that document, but I wonder if that isn't (usually) immediately obvious when the title is in a certain language.

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Before continuing this conversation, might I recommend that you spend some time in the archives of this page reading the discussions that got us to where we are today? I think that the bulk of it begins in

4178:(maybe into its own subcategory) and so gain more knowledge of the extent of this issue. Such tests don't indicate much about 'demand'; only that editors have in the past misused the editor parameters. 3291:

is the question. URLs? arXiv links? DOIs? JSTOR identifiers? Simply appending "subscription required" at the end of the citation is ambiguous. How would you like things rendered? Do you have a mockup?

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Yes, the language note would make more sense immediately following the title of the work cited. I don't see a need for a parameter to indicate the language of a containing book or journal, though.

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Looks good. I tested a few more cases where the author or editor's first name was "Ed" (short for Edward), and none of them gave me an error, even when I formatted them in slightly incorrect ways. –

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the matter, I believe it might be inaccurate to say that the RFC participants agreed to make it bright red. I believe it'd be more accurate to say that the lock ended up bright red by default. —

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But those three are wildly inconsistent and don't all provide sufficient information like the author and title of the reviewed work, which most style guides recommend. The Schatz example

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The colon would be inconsistent with how we cite the book alone. We should reconsider all those period separators in cs1, but that can be separate from the issue of flagging editors.

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As far as I know, DNS domain names must still be Latin characters. Unless the standard has changed, I suspect that what is happening is that your browser is now capable of translating

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In answer to my own question on how to instruct the templates to distinguish between the two styles of author, editor, chapter, title citations, we might deprecate and then re-purpose

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In general, I would not be opposed to such a fix. Yet, 'In Editor (ed.).' seems like a sentence fragment to me (it isn't in cs2 where it would be rendered as 'in Editor (ed.), ...').

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And your little speech discussing dummy emails and cookies made me laugh. :) How's this?: "Paid or library access required; but a summary may be available for free. Click for help." —

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has been removed from the module sandboxen. I have changed the deprecated parameter category name. After we take the module sandboxen live (we ought to do that, it's been a while)

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David Kamp, “Deconstructing Dinner,” review of The Omnivore’s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals, by Michael Pollan, New York Times, April 23, 2006, Sunday Book Review,

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Does this make sense? Is there a way to not have a title (i.e., something that is surrounded with quotation marks) and instead (or in addition) have a description? Thanks!

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Ah OK fair. Your point about screen readers is a good one. Indeed, I looked into the matter just now; and it turns out that screen readers will indeed read out the image's

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But, if we're going to fix editor rendering, we should also address the two different cases of author, editor, chapter, title. In the first case, Author is the author of

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That is a ridiculously long message. 'Paid subscription required, abstract or excerpt may be available' covers all of that. I'm not against the cursor/underlining though.

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Navarrete, Israel; Panchi, Nancy; Kromann, Peter; Forbes, Gregory; Andrade-Piedra, Jorge (15 February 2017). "Health quality of seed potato and yield losses in Ecuador".

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found 1130 matches – ymmv; insource: searches are not always consistent or reliable. I suppose, as a first step, we might add a test similar to the tests that populate

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Those aren't viable workarounds. A white rectangle underneath the lock for instance, would look downright awful and be very distracting. Likewise for the other choices.

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Not true: consider the twelve images in Headbomb's post of 22:42, 10 February 2017 (UTC) beginning "No, we unrestrict their use on identifiers and urls" in the section

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I'll start a new section on this, since TTM's post about it got lost: It's been nearly 6 months since our previous release. Maybe we should update the module soon? --

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One thing we could possibly add to the hover text is "Paid subscription required, abstract or excerpt may be available" instead of just "Paid subscription required".

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Goldberg, Amy; et al. (2016). "Familial migration of the Neolithic contrasts massive male migration during Bronze Age in Europe inferred from ancient X chromosomes".

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Goldberg, Amy; et al. (2016). "Familial migration of the Neolithic contrasts massive male migration during Bronze Age in Europe inferred from ancient X chromosomes".

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It's not disregarding the decision, the !vote was split 50-50 with very few people being 100% happy with either option. But I suppose we can hold another RFC on it.

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For Shatz, the term 'review' does not appear on the linked page though the actual article may use it. For this reason I left out mention of that. In Kamp, because

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And the same is true for "|subscription=yes". Thank you, Trappist the monk, for pointing me to where I would need to make my suggested changes. I have just edited

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This would help readers realize that there's useful alt text, and that they should wait a second for it to appear. You can see a live preview of the full package at

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Using the facilities of CS1, I would like to not use locks as allowed to, but I would like to flag access requiring subscription, as also allowed to. Any ideas?

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wordings, those could be suitable however. But they need to be short, e.g. "Paid or library subscription required, free abstract or excerpt may be available".

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or one of the identifiers – there can be multiples – requires the subscription. As the code stands now, it assumes, correctly, that most identifiers (like

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too. Green/Blue/Red is a a truly ridiculous scheme that makes zero sense, and people only went for it because the yellow was felt 'not yellow enough' or

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I wonder if this wouldn't be better done by a filter. The CS1 templates are not the only places where a reference to another article might show up... --

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to highlight that identifier. There are exceptions: a couple of identifiers are automatically flagged because it is known that these identifiers are

1600:. Then add proper support for BCP, FYI, IEN, I-D, RFC, RTR and STD identifiers, with auto-url generation. I'd do it, but I can't do anything in LUA. 5289:

Oh, weird that it would be formatted differently when it's actually used an article as compared to when you're looking at it in a sandbox. Strange.

1847:. Without objection, I shall make the necessary changes to implement this suggestion. Now is a good time since the category is more-or-less empty. 5508:, finds one use in the 2,940,000–2,949,999 range (2940297). That would suggest that the 3 million upper limit is sufficient for the time being. 5364:

Not clear to me that changing the rendering so that the file format annotation flollow the link but precedes the translated title is any better:

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Not in your sandbox--the template's sandbox. It was a note to indicate that trans-title is not linked in the sandbox, since you made the comment

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I'm aware of that. The point is that there is no need to convert the characters, since the original URL is perfectly valid (and more readable).—

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editor, and translator names. Still to do is similar annotations that occur at the begining of the name value. For examples see my sandbox:

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without the '10.1011' part of the doi. If a valid doi that doesn't start with 10.1011 is used, the message should invite users to instead use

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the plan was (and still is) to announce an update to the live module this weekend with the update to follow a week later as it normally does.

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a description, then it would have to end up as "Author X has done it again ". For examples of this latter type, see this example from APA 6:

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to see if there is significant buy-in to proceed forward. To move forward with the shaky consensus established below would not comport with

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and their aliases are assumed to be free-to-read. Again, we don't hightlight the norm but when these are not free-to-read, editors may set

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I wouldn't believe the outcome of that rfc. Its conclusions, well-meaning as they are, are self-contradictory: aspect B1 allows all locks (

4817:. Are there other variants of inappropriate editor annotation that I've missed? Do these tests catch things that they should not catch? 3336:

Then what you would like is not a viable or sustainable option. The reasons have been explained to you, and the community agrees on this.

1843:. I agree with this suggestion. The current name is too long; the proposed name is in keeping with the majority of subcategory names in 411: 2230:

Look also at the post timestamped at "22:42, 10 February 2017 (UTC)" on this page for possible alternatives, some of which include gray.

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can any of you code this? I would, but I know nothing of LUA. I could hack something via an invocation of cite web, but I'd rather not.

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of the reviewed work, then use that. Hopefully, helped by the rest of the citation, the context will be obvious to the average reader.

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which has been edited by Editor. We do not currently support this style. Perhaps this case could be rendered in one of these ways:

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Of the three examples provided by Editor Umimmak, in each case, I think I can find a title and so can construct three cs1 templates:

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Of course, but is there consensus to add yet two more cs1 templates with attendant error messages and categories, documentation, etc?

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rectangle. C) Or a white oval. D) Or add a thick white outline to the dark-red lock. Even three or four pixels thick, if you want. —

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the case as there are multi-language journals. For a concrete example, see below, which suggests to me at least the entire journal

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means that it is not necessary to describe the type and because the reviewed work's title in in the article title, no need to use

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Can we automatically identify editors with "ed." or "eds." through this template in all instances? I'm doing a source review of

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If we are to make this change, is the full stop (cs1) or comma (cs2) the correct punctuation to separate <editor list: -->

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gets in then. I did a lot of SSRN-related cleanup, and the category would be useful to get mistakes I've made / bad SSRNs.

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Also marking the editor in in this case would be clearer. I would suggest the same formatting as for books without years:

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Is there a reason for this, or am I missing something obvious? This just doesn't seem to be super clear for a reader.

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Perhaps you know how many editors are actually adding manual annotations? I don't. This insource: search pattern,

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Re "There need not be anything clickable". The proposed message has "click for help". That's what I'm referring to.

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attribute to be used; it is valid on most HTML elements since HTML 4.00, and all elements from HTML5 onward. From

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wrapper for it, and only allow a few basic parameters, but I'd much rather have proper support from the start go.

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non-English sources had to be explicitly tagged since otherwise sources are assumed to be English and that's why

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Wishful thinking on your part methinks. You know that Knowledge editors can and will cite "Chapter" in Author's

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Flagging would be allowed, whether to do so or not would be up to editor's discretion. There's no contradiction.

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comma (cs2) at the end of the editor list when introducing the title so perhaps an alternate is no punctuation:

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so perhaps if we are to make a test for the editor parameters, we should do the same for the author parameters.

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Locks aren't currently clickable and aren't linked to anything. Where would clicking on the lock take people?

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There is a minor rendering bug in the live module that inserts extra punctuation between <author list: -->

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choice to style chapters in edited works in the manner you illustrate does not obligate cs1|2 to do the same.

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Navarrete, Israel; Panchi, Nancy; Kromann, Peter; Forbes, Gregory; Andrade-Piedra, Jorge (15 February 2017).

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I expect to update the live cs1|2 modules on the weekend of 29–30 April. Changes since the last update are:

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and related modules to render citations. Changes to those modules are made first in the sandbox versions (

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is in German instead of just the article by Lukas, especially as there's no punctuation separation between

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Of course it's not, I was just giving an alternative example because I think the colon looks terrible. ;-)

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In the whitelist sandbox I have disabled the two parameters and will cleanup the supporting code in a bit.

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Or we could use gray (on a transparent background), or black (on a white background), or any other color.

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I'd like to see this IETF template go away, or be fixed of its bugs. Any other proposals or suggestions?

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gets linked (or rather doesn't get linked). Thanks for clarifying. (Can you tell I'm new to this, haha).

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for a description of the work (cf. the proposed templates for Kamp vs Sorby) seems wildly inconsistent.

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different possible methods. It is for you to impose consistency when you create citations in articles.

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So I am expecting the subscription will be set to yes by default if one of these is set. But it isn't.

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I guess I wouldn't worry too much about the separator character. If one is to believe the outcome of

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Ah I see. I was waiting for it to go live before creating the doc, but I suppose I could do that now.

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sometime in late 2013 to early 2014. These two parameters contributed the vast majority of pages to

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Out of curiosity, I changed the insource: search pattern to look at three of the author parameters:

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option would work, turning off the default quotation marks around a news or journal article title?

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also troubles you, by all means fix them. Converting it to a CS1 template is another topic. As for

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should not be set. But if we were citing a part of the book written by someone else, we'd use

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to see what the reaction was to my suggested changes and the logic behind them. Thank you. --

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also highjack the doi parameter which should be used for the official version, once published.

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which is an anthology or compilation of chapters edited by Editor. We support this case now:

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And these examples from CMoS 16 (the first two as notes, the third as a bibliography entry):

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Real life examples are almost always useful. It saves us from the need to contrive examples.

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We have some access-lock images which are occasionally used to indicate whether a source is

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You should find six instances, other than the one in this post. All six are identical: the

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Oooohhh, I see; I didn't realize there was already a to-be-implemented change for how

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so dismissing the use of a colon based on inconsistency doesn't seem very persuasive.

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replace cite arxiv unsupported parameter test with list of supported in whitelist; (

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Hey, I hope this is the right place. I was wondering if there was a way to use, say

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tag has seven attributes, being (some values replaced with an ellipsis for clarity)

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I just sent an e-mail to the SSRN folks to ask if they have a spec for their ID. –

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I think that we are both mistaken. Your mistake: none of those twelve images have

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Yeah perhaps, although what happens when you need both a title and a description?

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You might argue that this can be already be achieved with existing templates like

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There are rare exception—proper citations to Knowledge pages such as in articles

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At the WP:VPT conversation, Editor Jonesey95 has suggested that cs1|2 stop using

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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How do we instruct the templates to distinguish between the two? Here is some

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attributes. Use your browser's "View page source" feature. Search for the text

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Thanks. I was looking for previous discussions, but must have missed that one.—

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parameter with an existing CS1 template? The same holds for citeseerx below. −

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And if you try letting citation bot expand the doi in a cite journal, you get

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I chose ssrn limits to be 100 and 3 million. This insource: search pattern,

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or other identifier is set, then no, that does not happen. The problem with

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You will notice that what I wrote, included a caveat. The RfC closer wrote:

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Which is not how bioRxiv preprints should be cited. They should be cited as

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Way to override |title requirement, or to replace title with a description?

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Or, for a single volume with a publication date that spans multiple years:

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I agree. The template currently does this when the whole book is cited:

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Schatz, B. R. (17 November 2000). "Learning by text or context?". Books.

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We should not be adding parameters to support unjustified new usages.

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I'm confused what you're getting at. Does my citation not display as:

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For the Sorby review, the actual listed title is "Joan Shelley Rubin.

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descriptions are distinguished in formatting. Right now I just have

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The colors and shapes of the access signals lock was decided by the

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detect and alert on wayback machine deprecated liveweb host name; (

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Trans-title is not linked in the sandbox. The same in the sandbox:

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Category:Pages containing cite templates with deprecated parameters

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The Mystery of Samba: Popular Music and National Identity in Brazil

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That gray is fine, though I still suspect that I prefer dark red. —

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Category:Pages containing cite templates with deprecated parameters

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As far as I can tell (and I have not looked at all possible cases)

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Schatz, B. R. (2000, November 17). Learning by text or context? .

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This I believe leaves us in some sort of limbo. When previously

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card does not trigger a "subscription required" note, nor does a

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perhaps we could even add a dotted underline and a fancy cursor.

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Created. Both need documentation which I shall leave to others.

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Help_talk:Citation_Style_1/Archive_31#Category:CS1_errors:_SSRN

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Other Knowledge articles should not be used for citations. See

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is also affected and most templates have been converted to use

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That's how it looks for me in articles as well as my sandbox.

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In none of the example templates that I constructed did I use

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override mw:Extension:CLDR language definition for code bn; (

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doesn't show up (although there certainly are times when the

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alt="Lock-green.svg" src=... width="9" height="14" srcset=...

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I think that we should use some color other than bright red.

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update to the live cs1|2 module weekend of 29–30 April 2017

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So they do. MediaWiki copies the image file name into the

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where the text to the right of the pipe is assigned to the

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All other identifiers and parameters should be unsupported.

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from title? Somehow, for me, a colon seems more correct:

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/books/review/23kamp.html

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Access locks on paywalled links: lock color and hover text

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are available via the "help" link in the error message. –

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this is true because the live module does not yet support

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In the second case, Author is the author of "Chapter" in

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Contributor, A. (2000). "Chapter". In Editor, Ann (ed.).

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refers to a source that is free-to-read, editors may add

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can do almost everything this template can do, including

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URL in the reftoolbar and letting the gadget complete it

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2017-03-26: support for cite biorxiv and cite citeseerx;

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Added checks for annotation that precedes a name. See

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Then let's fix the inconsistency, by changing these to

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or this way, if Editor Kanguole's preference prevails:

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The Omnivore’s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals

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The Omnivore’s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals

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Africa: Journal of the International African Institute

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pretty well describes the type of the article, I made

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can be deleted along with its supporting help text at

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are not expected to offer a free full text by default

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attributes and no need for the image to be clickable.

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113 (April 2008): 449–51. doi:10.1086/ahr.113.2.449.

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As an example, right now this template needs to use

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Because, as 5327:will no longer be linked anywhere on en.wiki. 5315:linked) used the module's sandbox by calling 2812:where the lock images are defined like this: 2636: 2448:border-bottom: 1px dotted #000; cursor: help; 2013:Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) 1959:Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) 1925:Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) 1878:Category:CS1 errors: coauthors without author 1084:I suppose that's possible, but I based it on 410:CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of February 2017 ( 169:should throw an error, telling people to use 8: 5804:support for cite biorxiv and cite citeseerx; 5706:remove support for coauthor and coauthors; ( 5646:fix spacing oddity in maint cat messaging; ( 5303:You misunderstand. The cs1|2 templates use 4849:is not set. Fixed, I think in the sandbox: 4713:. This parameter is a rarely used alias of 3586:such as it was ... I don't know of any other 1923:. 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It's used on 2362 articles as of today. 1378:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Spam#amazon.com 580:too, but I haven't looked into them much. 5729:remove cite interview special parameters; 3732: 3505:, 1304. doi:10.1126/science.290.5495.1304 3130:Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration/sandbox 2820: 942: 849: 289: 4851: 4665:, which has been edited by Editor, then 1672: 130:Basically, it should be very similar to 5732:add Burmese language script-title code; 5667:move transtitle out of external link; ( 4677:in addition to the author and editor. 4296:ecause I think the colon looks terrible 2056:uses it to indicate paywalled sources. 1992:xn----7sbbfb0baicf2bdizhdn4c5b.xn--p1ai 880:It should be put in quotes. 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