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2827:{{cite journal |last=Viollet |first=Benoît |last2=Andreelli |first2=Fabrizio |last3=Jørgensen |first3=Sebastian B. |last4=Perrin |first4=Christophe |last5=Geloen |first5=Alain |last6=Flamez |first6=Daisy |last7=Mu |first7=James |last8=Lenzner |first8=Claudia |last9=Baud |first9=Olivier |last10=Bennoun |first10=Myriam |last11=Gomas |first11=Emmanuel |last12=Nicolas |first12=Gaël |last13=Wojtaszewski |first13=Jørgen F. P. |last14=Kahn1 |first14=Axel |last15=Carling |first15=David |last16=Schuit |first16=Frans C. |last17=Birnbaum |first17=Morris J. |last18=Richter |first18=Erik A. |last19=Burcelin |first19=Rémy |last20=Vaulont |first20=Sophie |display-authors=5 |date=January 2003 |title=The AMP-activated protein kinase α2 catalytic subunit controls whole-body insulin sensitivity |journal=The Journal of Clinical Investigation |volume=111 |issue=1 |pages=91–98 |doi=10.1172/JCI16567 |doi-broken-date=2017-01-01 |pmc=151837 |pmid=12511592}} 3194:, then I would of course recommend that. Given that the choice appears to be between omitting the output entirely (current display parameter functions), unobtrusively providing the rest of the authors or editors via hovertext (my proposal), or printing the entire list regardless of its length (CS1 without display parameters), I would opt for the hovertext. Alternatively, I could just display all 20 authors from the above example or omit most while privileging a few, but neither seem satisfactory. The former problem is why the display parameters were added; the latter problem is what my proposal addresses.The point of including the hovertext is to provide 3144:. As for your statements regarding attribution, I see what you mean. Perhaps it is worthwhile to add the same sort of style guide recommendation to a pertinent policy or guideline, since I am not aware of any which specify when a number of authors or editors cited becomes one too many. I still think my proposal would be a valuable improvement to the current display parameters (and would be useful in the example you provided), but it seems clear that—at least, among the editors who responded thus far—there is no support for it and overwhelming consensus for no change. Unless that changes, I will just 2852:

involve seeing the source text (or page source) when it would otherwise be unknown unless someone checks there. Moreover, hypothetically, this increased visibility would naturally assist in vandalism detection for anyone reading the article, but that is admittedly unlikely given it would probably be caught by the diff well before then. Lastly, this incentivizes editors to provide full authorship when due and available; presently, why add the inputs if there is no output? The editor might as well just truncate the authorship (or editorship) and maybe finish with

31: 3624:? Why *help* paid providers or journals get people's money for something they long time ago (sometimes tens of years) got for free and just published in paper form, and really have no rights to whatsoever? The only thing they do is actively *preventing* people from reaching scientific publications and slowing down progress in research and science. This should not be promoted by Knowledge by linking to their paywalled content. 5188:

covers translations (e.g. "the French edition") and other substantial changes (e.g. "this updated edition has a new foreword by the author, and substantial rewrites to chapter X, Y, and Z"). I agree with David, above, that differences like one column vs. multi column layout, and 1up vs. 2up print layout, and similar do most naturally fit the "edition" concept. Note that the purpose of the citation is to enable

3824:'s spree of rapid-fire addition of CiteSeerX links to references in many articles today. At a rate of several articles per minute, there's no way Nemo actually read the articles from the CiteSeer links, compared them to the versions of record, and made sure that they were similar enough to be usable in the same place (for instance, that they actually contained all the material they were used to source). — 2729: 2486:. If your information comes partly from freely available parts of a source and party from paywall-restricted parts of the source, I would label it using the more restrictive classification just to be on the safe side. In the end, it's not a big deal if you're a little off and somebody changes it later (it's happened to me, for sure). As long as your citation is accurate enough that other people can 5192:: so long as it lets the reader locate the relevant information, the citation has no need of endless bibliographic detail. If your "1up" and "2up" variants both have information X on page Y there is no need to specify which edition it is. If the citation includes a link to the specific file that contains the information there is even less need. In other words, I think you're overthinking this. -- 1759:

not worried about the bot making a syntax error; from experience, I know that human bot coders are fallible and that WP editors are immensely creative when it comes to putting strange things into citation templates. There is no way for a bot coder to predict all of the bizarre things that editors have done, so visual inspection of edits can help find those anomalies. –

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there is no link, and the source is a paper, book, or news article with a publication date, we don't need an access date. If a publication date is provided in Cite news or Cite journal, we could remove access dates. We could ask here for consensus to do this as a bot task (and to make the instructions just a bit more clear so that I do not have to infer).

5996: 5915:(the 3 October 2016 version). It seems to me that a decision taken by the community via the formal RFC process must not be unilaterally overridden by an individual editor. Please revert the lock back to the 3 October 2016 version. If you desire a different lock shape/color/etc, the proper course is to pursue a community consensus via RFC. 1738:

reason to hold up the bot on those grounds. As for initial trial edits, that's how the bot process works. And if you want to manual check the first 1,000 or whatever that's fine also, as much time as you want. And if after those 1,000 you want to keep checking, we can work something out. I can set it up on cron with X size batch per day. --

2816:, and other templates where it would be most used). Specifically, if the number of authors or editors (as defined in the appropriate parameters) exceed the numeric value in the aforementioned two parameters, all authors or editors omitted in the output of the citation remain visible within a tooltip at the "et al." which replaces them. 932:

fixing 1,000 articles would be great, and we might learn something about how to proceed from the pages that remain. That is how we trained a bot to fix articles in the CS1 date error category: let it run through the category and fix the easy ones, then look at what is left to see what other patterns we could add to the bot's code. –

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be hip and cool. Really, it's no different from emitting errors when hip and cool magazine designers' chosen format uses all lowercase for issue month or season dates or uses dot separators (or both: 4.may.2018 – how cool is that?) cs1|2 are not here to perpetuate pretentious hip and cool style. cs1|2 do support

3806:; there's no guarantee that the linked material is the same. For example, authors often put only parts of their published papers online, perhaps without the supplementary materials, or put pre-publication drafts online. The link should go to the material actually used by the editor who added the reference. 5147:

To me this information seems more like a different edition than a different series. An edition distinguishes between minor variations of the same book; a series is a named collection of books on similar topics. Editions are normally numbered sequentially but they don't have to be sequential and their

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I guess I see no significant difference. In these examples, Machine Instructions begins on page 1 and concludes on page 2 so the rendering isn't columnar but is single page vs two pages side-by-side. Pick one as your source and cite that one because the 1up or 2up rendering is immaterial. If there

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access to that information than is presently provided and to make the information being hidden by the display parameters worthwhile to add at all, thereby preserving the function of those display parameters. Why should I or any other editor include all 20 authors, as in the above example, when 15 (or

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No, that is a legitimate error. Just because some hipster-cool publication designers choose to use non-standard date formats (because it's hip and cool), does not obligate cs1|2 to sycophantically adopt each new hip and cool style concocted by these designers. cs1|2 aren't and should not attempt to

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I rather enjoy visually proofreading bot edits, and I have no trouble doing 200 or so at a time. The nice thing about bot edits is that they are pattern-based, so once you have looked at a few, it is not hard to glance at an edit and see whether it is flawed. I propose that we get this bot to a trial

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How do you propose determining, visually, if an edit if this type is questionable? 20,000 articles.. when I ran test case it found 16 articles with 81 cites modified or a ratio of 5:1 meaning about 100,000 cites need checked (assuming that ratio holds). Normally this sort of scale you do spot checks.

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Not really a middle ground because it's just as much work manually checking for errors (ie. finding URLs hidden deep in old diffs) as doing it manually without the bot to begin with. Can't visually scan for errors. And, at about 100,000 cites / 100 a day should take a bot operator about 1,000 days to

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That sounds a lot like the wiki version of 'if you build it, they will come', to wit: 'if you leave empty parameters in a template someone else will fill them'. I call bullshit. Empty parameters tend to remain empty (and they aren't deleted because 'cosmetic changes ...' Adding empty parameters is

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minus those three. I think the url=identifier would be have to be a different task because it would process a different and larger set of articles and I think people might freak out a little more about removing a URL versus removing a stray access-date which has clear CS1 documentation supporting it.

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to a citation, their intent will invariably be "Supress this link because it now points to something inappropriate" with the "Use the archive link instead" bit being only a corollary. It is also generally desireable to be able to supress usurped links even for citations where no one has yet added an

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Inside the physical book (or the specific digital file) there is no need to specify hardback/paperback/etc. with the edition number, since that's implicit in context. However, I believe, at least with traditional books, the colophon will usually specify such things (along with the numbered print run

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Just guessing based on the string used here, but back when dinosaurs walked the earth and IBM was a big player, digital texts were often published in multiple variants to account for printing preferences: 1up (single-sided), 2up (print on both sides of the sheet), and variants for paper size like A4

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The purpose of linking to the official source is to guide readers to the official source that they can use, if they are so motivated, to verify a claim in an article. Sometimes those sources are not freely available, due to copyright, limited physical copies, or other limits imposed by the owners of

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Also even if a reader doesn't have access to the article, a link via DOI or whatever will typically provide them with other useful information like an abstract, first page, list of references, supplementary materials, etc. At minimum it allows people to confirm the citation information is accurate.

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The same would occur for editors; if both of the display parameters are used in the same citation, then a tooltip would be available for each. An added benefit, beyond it actually outputting those omitted data, is that this information is now available for readers in an unintrusive way that does not

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I agree this is a suitable work for a bot. Fixes are possible after the fact at any time, with no need for a special rate limiting (e.g. when inspecting the history of a troubled reference or scanning the byte differences of revisions). I personally prefer template parameters to be removed entirely

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I don't know what to say beyond I look at the edit, and if the bot did something other than what it was supposed to do, I revert or fix the edit, and alert the bot operator so that code can be fixed. I have done this for many bots and bot trials. Humans are better at finding anomalies than bots. I'm

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Sorry, I was unclear. I meant that we could let the bot run on, say, 500 articles per day, and then a human editor could visually inspect those edits and undo any that were questionable. Looking at 500 of the same kind of edit is not too bad. The bot will probably modify about 20,000 articles, which

6288:- Yes, credit where credit is due :). I opted to do Citation instead of the Cite encyclopedia because as you say, the name is a bit off, but you can invoke the encyclopedia citation style by using the 'encyclopedia' parameter from Template:Citation as well and I think that solves that issue nicely. 3787:

It should do no such thing. If someone put an existing url= on a citation they presumably did it for a reason. Like, it may be the published version of record. Open access versions are often wrong versions (put up before any revisions made in the editorial process, for instance) and an ideological

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Some editors suggest that even if other websites don't, we have our own internal style guidelines that italicise websites, and some examples (MLA and Chicago) use italics, so we follow their example. There's really been no consensus, except it would seem that because the parameter still italicises

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Andy, I had this problem too, but have now found a solution. I'm using Firefox on MacOS with the standalone Zotero. The following works for me. The "save to Zotero" icon shows the tool tip "Save to Zotero (Knowledge)", whereas we want "Save to Zotero (COinS)". If I right-click on the icon, I get a

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I'm using Zotero (current, v.5.0.46) in Firefox (also current, v.59.0.3) under Windows 10. When I try to "save" from Knowledge to Zotero, I am only able to save metadata for the encyclopedia article I am viewing, but not for the individual works cited there - I am sure I was able to do the latter,

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based. Otherwise the programming challenges are intractable (having the accessdate is not sufficient to find the url, see discussion above), and so are the manual editing aspects intractable (50,000+ articles and probably 200,000+ citations). Heuristics are a way forward. Is it worth not running a

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I have several books that contain Forewords by authors distinct from the author of the main text. Often they are giving a minibio of the author, explaining the importance of the book, describing its impact, etc. If I want to use the material in the Forword, I have no way in the template of doing

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I think that (1) and (2) above are both valid, but as GreenC says, if there is NO url and the access date does not provide information that helps a reader locate the cited source (keep in mind that it is not displayed to the reader when there is no url!), we should just remove it. I would like to

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Cite news and Cite journal with an access date but no URL. This was at least half of the errors. Per the documentation, "Access dates are not required for links to published research papers, published books, or news articles with publication dates." What I infer from those instructions is that if

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Did you test on a random sample of 1,000 articles from the category, or from the start of the alphabet? It is possible that someone has been working their way through this category from the start of the alphabet, which would reduce your hit rate. A random sample may give you better results. Also,

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is going to be the bulk of citation types so I think we should include it initially. Can monitor the first cases to make sure it's not missing URLs hidden in the diffs. It will start slow in small batches, halted, checked, modified, restart etc.. flexible depending what is uncovered. Good to have

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and not for a missing URL (which if it ever existed was probably a URL to JSTOR and correctly replaced with the identifier method - probably by an AWB script). It might get it wrong sometimes, but an error rate is acceptable. Run it on x# cases and manually check the results to see what the error

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In publishing and bibliography, the difference between the "hardback", "paperback" and "ebook" is usually termed an "edition". An edition may have multiple print runs, between which there is usually presumed to be no differences, and no need to differentiate between runs. The term "edition" also

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does). But, I'm not interested in chasing though that list of 120-ish subfolders looking for 1up / 2up examples. If Editor Xover is correct, whether the source is printed 1up or 2up is immaterial. The purpose of the cs1|2 templates is to identify the source for readers; 1up and 2up indicators

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Additionally, DOIs and JSTOR numbers have orthogonal semantics. The JSTOR number, which is our proxy for what JSTOR itself terms a "Stable URL", is really just one archive provider's direct link that happens to have some "API"-like stability guarantees. It is owned, and can only be owned, by the

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One could create two citations, one for the free portion and one for the subscription portion, the latter having the url-access=subscription parameter. This might seem like overkill, but the material from the subscription portion is NOT sourced from the site, but from a screenshot from the site,

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for anyone to simply determine. If you're willing to search diffs manually, why even have a bot. If the concern is the bot will make syntax errors, it would be wasting time because I've done much more difficult work across millions of edits and am quite confident it will be reliable, there's no

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I have searched the archives and found no discussion that even mentions this idea, so I might as well propose it here. If there is a better place to do so, please direct me to that place. Moreover, if there is any current policy, consensus, or coding issue preventing the implementation of this

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website where the article can be found (e.g., the article on the publisher's site), as different websites might have different paywalls or subscriptions or information available to the reader. It seems redundant to have both and maybe a bit inconvenient if the reader is expecting them to be

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Also the accessdate date could have been modified after the original insertion. And there could be other cites with the same accessdate added in an earlier edit then the one looking for. The more one looks, the more difficult it gets. The problem is intractable enough consider instead using

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Citations exist to verify article content only, not to make positional statements. The only help that is important in this context, is the one that enhances Knowledge's verifiability and reliability, and therefore, its relevance. Free sources, provided they are reliable and verifiable, are

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You still didn't answer the question. How will you determine, visually, if an edit of this type is questionable? Serious question. Explain how one can "at a glance" determine that the URL exists buried in thousands of diffs. That's the whole reason this tracking category is so large, it's

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Another reason for its size is that the error messages are hidden (something that I have opposed). Were we able to reveal them, normal editors might fix at least the errors that they are making today and perhaps even fix preexisting errors (no guarantees of course). When I implemented

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about 10% of cite errors misspell "accessdate=" .. is that really true? If so, it's trivial for a bot to fix and should be running full-time given the scale of the problem. But would need evidence to get bot approval. Do you happen to have a list of common misspellings? Then I can run

386:(ref #1) WikiBlame can't find the original edit. It's difficult as it requires knowing what the original cite looked like. Every field in the cite may have been subsequently modified since it was originally created, what text to search WikiBlame with? Though in this case it has a 2915: 2844: 2910:<span title="Flamez, Daisy; Mu, James; Lenzner, Claudia; Baud, Olivier; Bennoun, Myriam; Gomas, Emmanuel; Nicolas, Gaël; Wojtaszewski, Jørgen F. P.; Kahn1, Axel; Carling, David; Schuit, Frans C.; Birnbaum, Morris J.; Richter, Erik A.; Burcelin, Rémy; Vaulont, Sophie": --> 3199:

whatever arbitrary cutoff) will not even display? For the zero to one reader who checks the article page source? That is time better spent editing something else, so why not just deprecate these functions of the display parameters and set a policy or guideline for when to

5011:{{cite manual | publisher = IBM | title = IBM System/360 Reference Data | id = GX20-1703-9 | edition = Tenth | version = 2up | series = illustrative only | url = http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/referenceCard/GX20-1703-9_System360_Reference_Data_2up.pdf | mode = cs2 }} 4244:

Excellent! Okay then! Because I've seen, multiple times, people say that because CS1 changed, the first template (as exhibited by the templates drop down) is "wrong," so I was just inquiring if it was something that required changing. Glad to know it isn't! Thank you!

4998:{{cite manual | publisher = IBM | title = IBM System/360 Reference Data | id = GX20-1703-9 | edition = Tenth | version = 1up | series = illustrative only | url = http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/referenceCard/GX20-1703-9_System360_Reference_Data.pdf | mode = cs2 }} 3038:

and any edit that adds over 5,000 bytes (let alone 50,000+ bytes!) of just names will probably be reverted. In those situations, and probably only those situations, would I find it reasonable to omit the majority of authors or editors from a citation's attribution.

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I don't think so. Attribution (naming all of the authors in the order of their contribution to the work) is the duty and obligation of the publisher. Here, the purpose of a citation is to identify the source that supports our article's text so that readers can

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There is always a middle ground, like (just as an example) limiting the bot to a specific number of edits per day so that human editors can check the edits manually. Scanning through a few hundred of the same kind of edit, looking for errors, is not that hard. –

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There are whole classes of dates that give false alarms. Your choices are to just leave the "error", hand-code a reference in a format that looks like the other citations in the article, or change all the citations in the article to some other format, such as

4227:- are used, the order is immaterial. You can arrange them in alphabetical order, or in order of size, or in the order in which you remember to add them. It makes no difference at all: this is a general characteristic of all templates that use named params. -- 6134:

This does not seem like a good solution to me – if I understand the problem. This 'solution' would seem to suggest that every one of the various language wikipedias that use ve and citoid would need to have this template as a host for a special fork of the

4762:|publisher = IBM International Technical Support Organization|series = Redbooks|title = ABCs of z/OS System Programming|volume = Volume 10|id = SG24-6990-05|author1 = Alvaro Salla|author2 = Patrick Oughton|edition = Sixth|date = 4 May 2018|version = 1up}} 1009:

For urls that lead to pages that do not change, such as those that contain a PDF copy of a published journal article or a scan of a book, it can indicate the likelihood of the pages still being there, and may help in locating an archived copy if they are

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work/website and there's no option to disable it, that we shouldn't force-disable italics with markup. Also, iTunes Store is just an online store, not a company. Apple is the company. Same thing as when Amazon or Amazon.com is placed in website or work.

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Regarding first question - possibly. You don't really have to include the full author list; normally they just come from tools that grab the full author list. I personally dislike the hovertext thing and there really isn't much value in the authors.

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And still no because the sources behind the paywall are the 'record' source. The provenance of facsimiles found elsewhere is dubious, may be in violation of the publisher's copyright, may be out-dated preprints. The single doi that I checked

462:, ... because the content at an identifier link is considered permanent so does not require an access date to identify the point in time that the source supported our article. But, we cannot know without inspection that the editor who added 230:

That's good. Looks like a large variety of problems not just accessdate. Sort of like building a spam filter. CS1 sometimes provides suggested alternatives in red, how does it do this, is there a table of common mistakes and alternatives? --

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might require updating to follow CS1? Don't know if this has been discussed or brought up before, but the citation formats and setup seem to differ from the now-preferred CS1 stylization, and didn't know if they needed to be updated, maybe?

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phase and have it run a couple hundred edits using the above criteria. At that point, we will have specific edits to discuss, rather than hypothetical problems that may end up being a minuscule fraction of thousands of beneficial edits. –

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encouraged. But I don't think it is in anybody's favor to stop providing information that can be verified as true and reliable, just because the verification particulars are non-free. What is important is to put such information out.

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is unreasonable. This is also a situation in which I suspect not a single Wikipedian will attempt to include more than 50 in their citation, however, not least because manually coding all that in a CS1 template would probably take

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should not be in italics. Now if you put it in the website/work parameter, it is rendered in italics. Should it be in the publisher parameter instead (although it is published by Apple) or does it not matter that it is in italics?

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complete, assuming no new cases show up during those 3 years. Not even sure I could do 100 cites a day, it would take many hours. This is exactly why the tracking category is so large - it's too much work and no one does it. --

131:" (with one "c") and even 3-letter c-or-s forms (like "acccessdate="). As a result, about 10% of cite errors misspell "accessdate=" while "acdate=" would avoid hundreds of cite errors per month (but allow old "access-date="). - 3203:

the rest? If part of the function of those display parameters is to preserve the information of those additional authors and editors, then I do not see how that information is being preserved in a way useful and accessible to

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That's no problem technically if that is wanted. It might cause some double-takes in the diffs, like the bot made an error, so I would need to be able to explain to people why it was being done. What is the rationale? --

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then renders into a properly formatted citation – if and only if the data provided in the wikitext template obeys the rules for the various template parameters. A year-month date in the form yyyy-mm is not allowed per

4703:, and can be changed to point at new archive providers or the publisher's own website (in practice the archive providers often own the DOI too, but...). That is, the one is an address while the other is an identifier. 3029:, including of the authors, which the display parameters truncate. Of course, in the extremely rare circumstances in which literally hundreds or thousands of authors and editors contributed to a source being cited, a 3726:

Not to mention Sci-Hub/Lib Gen inherently have unstable addresses as they keep getting shut down by various court orders (cf the now defunct sci-hub.org, .cc, .ac, .io, .la, .mn, .name, .tv, bz, .biz, ...). DO are

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I understand that this has largely been answered, but I might as well explain how I addressed this when I encountered the same issue. Hopefully, I have not been mistaken this entire time. My opinion would be that

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something like 10k article pages ended up in the error category. I fixed a lot of those error but I didn't fix 10,000 pages of errors. There is value in showing editors where the errors are. Yeah, I know, that

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archive (which may or may not exist), without removing the link entirely (in order to enable actually locating any archive in the future). Without reopening the previous discussion on the conceptual semantics of

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It doesn't apply to that particular document, but some manuals on are available in separate files with one column per page (1up) and two columns per page (2up). I'd like a supported way to indicate that in the

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and it went to 2.5% - this is disappointing, it will make a dent in the tracking category, maybe 800-1000 articles out of 45,000. Any other strategies you can you think of besides checking for an identifier? --

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The visual editor always places the parameters in a set order (determined by the template's TemplateData), but I don't think that should be taken as the "correct" order. It's just how it happens to do it.

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rarely. It would be a shame to prevent this bot from doing some valuable work for these edge cases. I wonder if the bot could be programmed to skip any citation that contains a URL in any parameter value. –

6318:, and whether it is or not, is it doing something special with a short list of common format names/acronyms like "PDF"? We should document this parameter better, e.g. to suggest that the format be linked. 4166:

There is no 'preferred order' for parameters in the wikitext template. There are cases where it is useful to list certain parameters first; for example in bibliography listings by author in alpha order:

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as an example to illustrate the visual output I mean and because I am not very familiar with coding in HTML; but I understand that it is probably not the best way to code it, especially when considering

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I get that things get modified at Knowledge. It would be nice if WikiBlame were somehow less 'strict'. This is no simple problem which is why there are so damn many articles in that single category.

1278:. Per the documentation, "Access dates are not required for links to published research papers, published books, or news articles with publication dates." If a publication date is provided, remove 817:

I guess that this bot task should apply to just the cs1|2 templates; it can be expanded later if there is reason to believe that there would be benefit in that. I think that you can safely omit

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should always overrule autolinking, but we should expand autolinking to identifiers beyond just PMC. There was consensus for that idea, but it got buried in an RFC with too many issues at once.

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Yeah you'd need to make sure they're actually the same since I think there are some DOIs starting with 10.2307 which don't just go to JSTOR. To give an example, it would be useful to have both

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New additions have changes in the text. The 1up and 2up documents have identical text. It's more analogous to the difference between a hardbound and a softbound printing of the same edition.

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I don't want to arbitrarily concatenate the name of the publisher with the name of the series. Is there a supported way to do this, and if not, would this be something useful to add?

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Galobtter is right, such information doesn't belong to a tooltip. Note that there are articles with thousands of authors: it's not the citation's job to store complete attribution. --

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Feature suggestion: add text parameter "Additional info"/"Contents" for ex. description of citation contents ("Contains biography, rewards, pictures" etc.) or other information (ex.

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In the case of Firefox & Windows, the add-in or whatever they call it has changed, so to save to Zotero, the desktop version of the program must be running when you do the save.

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It's random not alphabetical. A 2% fix rate doesn't narrow it down. Pick one at random and chances are it's not among that 2% that would be fixed. Any suggestions appreciated. --

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are material differences beyond the simple 1up/2up rendering then, perhaps if it is necessary, cite both in separate cs1|2 templates because then they are two different sources.

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the source. I'm pretty sure that it is not Knowledge's job to fight global capitalism or make every bit of copyrighted information freely available to the world's population. –

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Links should be provided, since it takes you to the relevant page, and makes it much easier to get access, either via institutional subscriptions, or by paying for the article.

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Related, working (or not) examples are always appropriate here. If the Redbook examples don't apply, why did you give them as examples? And your bitsavers link doesn't work (

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Just a note that often the wrong template is being used so you cannot just remove depending on the template name. Also sometimes there may be URL present but it is not on the

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reigns with citations (the source consulted, and only the source consulted, should be provided in a citation--users who need to find another copy will just Google for it). --

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Do not use techniques that require interaction to provide information, such as tooltips or any other "hover" text. Abbreviations are exempt from these requirements, so the

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There have been similar extra-info-parameter requests in the past, none of which have succeeded; you might hunt about in the archives of this page for those discussions.

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website in the world to provide mass and public access to tens of millions of research papers" (emphasis mine). Clearly, for honest people, that site should be avoided.

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the correct answer to this question if the source you need is behind one of those orange bars? If you have to hand over dollars, euros, shekels, yen, whatever, then

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parameter could be used to circumvent specification altogether, which avoids privileging any particular author or editor during attribution.As with most all things,

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Except that's exactly the answer Moxy gave you therein? And anyway, I agree with RR64 (and the rest of the discussion in that link); the use cases are different.

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Some information, like the name of his parents and his wife, although I got that information from a screenshot taken by someone with "plus" access to Geneall.

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offers the recommended parameter name. If the parameter is correctly spelled but case is wrong, Module:Citation/CS1 offers the correct name in lowercase.

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proposal, please inform me because I am aware of none. Lastly, if this functionality is somehow already implemented and available in a way that does not

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archive provider. The DOI, on the other hand, is a proper de-coupled identifier that is resolved through a resolver: it is explicitly and deliberately

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so we don't know if the access-date serves the purpose of (1), (2) or neither. This is approximate reasoning, can be we approximate that the lack of a

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of the same edition), just not alongside the edition number. In any case, you can think of the overall citation as referring to an abstract work, and

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Personally the main thing I'd like for the gadget to do is put spaces to the left of pipe symbols to improve readability/wrapping in the edit window.

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It wasn't the same question. This one is about adding to a list of publications of an organisation; the earlier question was about citing a source. --

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menu allowing me to choose "Save to Zotero (COinS)". Maybe this used to be the default? (Sometime I have to reload the page to make the menu appear.)

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with the latest dry run results, it's now up to 57% success rate. That leaves a large amount unfixed, but a noticeable improvement over 2% (thank you

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creates cs1 templates from the information that you put into the fields of the various forms. The created templates are 'styled' by and rendered by

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displays the following message on its website: "All the basic genealogical information contained in the website is available freely to our visitors.

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For urls that lead to pages that may change and do not have a clear 'publication' date, it identifies the version that was used as the reference.

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They might plausibly have different pagination, though, in which case the edition would be important to allow readers to find the right page. —

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Yes, I know. But, is the information that you have used to support the article behind the paywall? If yes, then as a courtesy to readers set

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I find this annoying too. If we can't agree to avoid these duplicates, could the templates suppress display of doi's of the form 10.2307/

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Of course, documentation can always be made better. I don't know that the parameter value should always be linked lest we run afoul of

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is still unused, it should be deleted or, at the very least, prominently marked as experimental, and the problem fix where it is broken.

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If a reference cites a published research paper, published book, or news article with a publication date, can we remove the access date?

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identifier is provided, we could use it as link target, as we do for PubMedCentral already. The link should also override any existing

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I've never seen a case where the edition number wasn't the same in the hardbound and paperback version of the same text. I could use

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article content. It is common, I believe, that published style guides often say something to the effect "when there are more than

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your initial acceptance, that and this discussion will weigh in on the BOTREQ approval. To clarify, it would be a bot dedicated to

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files were a plausible option (i.e. pre-PDF), but I can well imagine that IBM might still be doing that from old habit. Perhaps

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Not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but I wasn't sure where else to ask. Is there a benefit to including a

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Sorry for the bolding. There is just a lot of text here, and I wanted to emphasize that there is a significant question here. –

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bot because of a small error rate. The alternative is do nothing and let the category continue to grow in size since day 1. --

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apparently does), or I am otherwise missing something simple and obvious that makes this whole proposal a non-starter, please

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I didn't say add the missing ones, just leave them empty, rather than removed if the url parameter is present but empty. E.g.

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but does have an identifier, that may be grounds for using a different template and is perhaps out of scope for this bot task.

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It is my understanding from the help page that it should do that. So either the template or its documentation is wrong here.

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That wouldn't solve anything, because people will still try to write accessdate, and make the typo. We're not suggesting

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I gave it as an example to illustrate what I was trying to do; the Redbooks are a series in the publishing, but not the

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Viollet, Benoît; Andreelli, Fabrizio; Jørgensen, Sebastian B.; Perrin, Christophe; Geloen, Alain; et al. (January 2003).

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After noticing this occur occasionally, and having encountered this myself, I think it would be useful to implement a

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Hi all. I was hoping can someone can clarify something for me. In the past, I have been taught that companies such as

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target. It might cut down on the number of errors by ignoring cites containing other types of external links, such as

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If someone wants to illegally pirate copyrighted works that's on them; Knowledge doesn't condone this behaviour (see

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is that way →. A better use of your talents, I should think, might be the creation of a bot that could interface to

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Semi-relatedly, I updated the red access lock to display the dial. It is now much more recognizable as a lock. See

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If yyyy-mm isn't allowed, why did it converts date from first example to that format? Because of locale conversion?

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that CiteSeerX link doesn't require any login for me. I am at work though, but I can check again when I'm at home.

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Knowledge:Village pump (technical)#Feedback round: A proposal for referencing sections of the same work more easily

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parameter could be set to "Paperback" or "Hardcover" or whatever. If you want to include ISBNs from other formats,

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Is the information in the source needed to verify the sentence in the article in front of or behind the paywall? --

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I'm not sure that I agree with your definition of 1up/2up. Archive.org uses those terms in urls. For example,

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anything. Perhaps you are referring to the visual editor or to reftoolbar either of which can write a wikitext

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I tested the bot on 1000 articles dry-run. It fixed about 17 articles (80 cites). Less than 2% rate. I added in

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is not allowed) and, similarly, identifier links (doi, jstor, etc) are generally not free-to-read (this is why

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but since there may be others it doesn't know about it can just regex the cite for a URL and skip if found. --

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What would you think about a bot that keyed off the Suggestions table to automate corrections ie. if it sees a

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There is absolutely no reason to de-link them just because the article isn't freely accessible for everyone.

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In your above examples, all of that information is related to the second meaning, so it should be put in the

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A few oddball cases that need to be handled manually, sometimes by finding a web page to match the reference.

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different, but I've noticed some editors add these "redundant" DOIs so maybe I'm missing something. Thanks

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I intend to update the live cs1|2 modules over the weekend of 9–10 June 2018. These changes are included:

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In the (small) sample of actual articles that I looked at, I saw no errors of this kind, FWIW. I see them

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is very different from the usage of the word by publishers, and the above example gets an error message:

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to be retained? A corresponding CitationCleanerBot enhancement could then be requested as a follow-up.

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but do have a value assigned to any of the various 'permanent-record' identifiers. Excluding templates

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Apparently, it does not actually suppress the display of the link.The same applies to dead-url=unfit

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There are two senses to the word series. The first is "Series = Sequence of numbers", the second is "

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So the underlying question is whether we believe that the access date should serve only purpose (1).

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move misplaced local_digit translation to proper place; discovered debugging this module at bn.wiki;

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Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 9#Request for Comments: Italics or Non-Italics in "website" field

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is for. That some information can be found in the abstract rather than the main text is irrelevant.

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There's definitely no problem with the COinS data; the problem is persuading Zotero to look at it.

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afterward (such as in a nested bullet point) if you do not want to print out a new full citation. ―

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which would be a different project. I have some other work to finish but will get to this soon. --

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should probably be excluded from the bot's operation (though I have seen any number of cases where

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Viollet, Benoît; Andreelli, Fabrizio; Jørgensen, Sebastian B.; Perrin, Christophe; Geloen, Alain;

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I went to the "Mo" section of the alphabet and found the following cases in 20 sample articles:

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when referencing subscription-limited sources, including those via JSTOR. Recently I noticed a

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Sometimes a publishers lists a set of distinct books or manuals under a series name, e.g., IBM

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It seems as if — in the editing bar — that the "Cite" sub-heading, "Templates," which features

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I am frankly surprised at that example and obviously stand corrected. Thanks for providing it,

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authors followed by 'et al.'". There is, as best I can determine, no requirement here to list

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that. How about ForewordAuthorLast, ForwordAuthorFirst, ForewordAuthorLink, and ForewordTitle?

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I could continue, but I think I have made my proposal and rationale clear enough. Thoughts? ―

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Since you're listing rather than citing, I would recommending putting the paper copy in the

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Among perhaps 200 common cite errors (such as "access date=" for "access-date="), the word "

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support for lang code cnr; fix script-title to use override names when making categories;

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Date in Cite journal is wrongly parsed (locale problem?), feature suggestion to Citations

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I am fine with however it is implemented so long as the output is functionally the same,

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which is something I've been seeing a lot of recently; more silliness that is ve I think.

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Here the terms clearly mean: display 1 page at a time, or display two pages at a time.

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I suspect not a single Wikipedian will attempt to include more than 50 in their citation

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Yeah ok just want to make sure wasn't missing anything. WikiBlame not sure how. Example

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Okay - I think it will work just to switch it over from Cite book to Citation instead.

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Not related at all; rather, it appears that you are ignoring the decisions taken with

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templatedata to 'fix' a problem that exists elsewhere. There are two changes in the

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just as if you had written the template by hand. Can you elaborate on what you mean?

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the citation formats and setup seem to differ from the now-preferred CS1 stylization

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parameter refers to the first meaning: it exists to distinguish volume renumberings.

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Ah, thanks for that; makes sense. I'll follow up the matter of the Bot edit scope.

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I'm not at all sure that I understand your question. In your examples you include

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Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 23#Adding a "disable italics on work" parameter?

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More detailed and specific information is only accessible in the Geneall Plus level

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but do have values assigned to any of the various 'permanent-record' identifiers.

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marks an abbreviation and then makes the whole term available through a tool tip:

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dated 29 October 2016. The red lock that was approved by the RFC can be seen at

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The RFC supported a red lock, with a full shackle, and full body. This is still

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afterwards, and we normally want people to put access-dates when they give URLs.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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set to pl/en-us/en, browser and OS is in my native language (not in English).--

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No. Why make it hard for those who do have access to sources behind a paywall?

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What a sensible answer! I asked the same question five years ago and was given

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i18n: multi-byte terminal character support related to duplicate-dot bug fix;

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Are you sure? Can you provide a real-life example of a cs1|2 template where

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so, for cs1|2, if we adopt this proposal the markup would be something like:

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Meant to be linkable? I don't think so. May it be linked? Sure, why not?

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The advice we should give that if the source is paywalled, then that's what

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would take 40 days. After that, we could make the error messages visible. –

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Automatic conversion to ALLOWED formats would be nice. Or highlight in red

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Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 9#Italicization of websites in citations

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Some information added to the article is freely available and some isn't.

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There is a list of common misspellings and non-English parameter names in

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prevent ymd hyphen-to-dash conversion when digits are not western digits;

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hear other opinions, either agreeing or disagreeing, with a rationale. –

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for the series, but maybe I've misunderstood. Thanks for any guidance.

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parameters, but otherwise does nothing special with those parameters.

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paperback book isbn 978-1-911149-40-8 e-book isbn 978-1-9111-49-41-5

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monitoring/logging searches for a while and see how many show up. --

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There probably should be some tracking category for cites, where is

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vs. Letter. I haven't actually seen that since the days when actual

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parameter set. Otherwise just display the identifier as plain text.

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Another possibility is to put the fancy date in the issue= field. –

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previously. Is something broken in CS1, or in Zotero? Or my memory?

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The community did not support a full-body lock with a transparent

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specifying which particular edition of that work is referenced. --

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parameter and simply listing the ebook ISBN after. Something like

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Ok. I'll need help which cite templates to target if not cite* --

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https://archive.org/stream/onoriginofspeci00darw#page/n8/mode/1up

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to specify the type of media format, which seems consistent with

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a useless exercise that just results in clutter. Do not do this.

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This thread is getting long and buried so I summarized below. --

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in one of the English-language citation templates, it changes to

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parameters for all appropriate CS1 templates (but especially in

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should only be used in the case where it takes the reader to a

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Here are bitsaver examples, but those aren't part of a series.

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and the supported templates do not care about parameter order.

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If it is all about *easiness* of access, then why not link to

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because that will be where misspelled parameter errors end up.

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Templates" header helper, for example, it sets up like this:

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what "cite book" syntax do I use to cite the e-book version?

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CS1 templates, or only the former? Assuming general only. --

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but the rendered citation should not link to the 'original'

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does not work? In this example, there should be a link to

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me at a scale of your discretion and point it out. Thanks.

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Update to the live cs1|2 modules weekend of 9–10 June 2018

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if that DOI takes someone to JSTOR and there is already a

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be introduced to enable detail equivalent to similar to

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etc., but I've had some editors inexplicably remove the

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from cs1|2 templates that never had a value assigned to

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The RFC supported a red lock, with a full shackle, and

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descriptors don't have to be numbers. So you could use

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the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page

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WMF Proposal on referencing sections of the same work

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Addition of tooltip to "et al." in display parameters

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would be excluded from the identifier list, but if a

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don't aid a reader in locating a copy of the source.

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a dozen reason why my question didn't need answering

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which the citation should reflect. --User:Ceyockey (

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